We know they are not going to spend billions on a stadium to make less money. Expect loads of hospitality sections and seating and hope there is enough safe standing/supporters areas to overcome the corporate atmosphere all new stadiums have.
New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford | Aim is to build 100k seater stadium
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran are here to talk about a frustrating 2 points dropped at Crystal Palace. They then discuss the regeneration of Old Trafford. Finally, Nik is joined by special guest Michael Statham from the Football Oranje podcast - who gives us a more in depth look at our EL opposition FC Twente, and then runs through the (many) Dutch connections currently at United.
It's all about PR and dick swinging so it does matter.
Can't imagine Ratcliffe promising a Wembley of the north and then not making it bigger than the current ground by a sizeable margin.
Yes, it's probably a bit too much for United, despite the fact I like it, I can understand why others wouldn't though.
I'm sure Foster + Partners will come up with something unique, they've done a pretty good job on everything they've worked on.
I get that, I guess for me, it's more about getting away from that generic bowl look. It's not that I don't like the design, it's more that so many stadiums look that way now.
I just want something a bit different.
Would absolutely love it if they did, but could you imagine the size of it to cover a football pitch? It would be the size of the moon!
It's mad that sphere.
OK, here's today's thought.
What do people think about the new stadium having the ability to convert into an NFL pitch, like Spurs stadium?
If the plans are to turn the stadium into a hub of the North, to rival Wembley, for concerts and other attractions. Would it make sense to build in the ability to hold an NFL match, so some are available up north?
Again, just putting it out there.
What do people think about the new stadium having the ability to convert into an NFL pitch, like Spurs stadium?
If the plans are to turn the stadium into a hub of the North, to rival Wembley, for concerts and other attractions. Would it make sense to build in the ability to hold an NFL match, so some are available up north?
Again, just putting it out there.
Stick to Celtic.
Yeah I'm not in favour of a bigger capacity just to brag about having it. Yes if it's done right, a 100k stadium could be a proper intimidating place for visiting teams. I think it's less likely though, ticket prices will increase and the atmosphere will be worse than the baseline
Just imagine if it is 100k seats the atmosphere that it could generate. Obviously would probably take a fair amount of co-ordination with dedicated singing sections every block or something to ensure one sections chants dont get lost but it could be a massive bonus as well.
(Of course theres a negative flip side to that as well).
(Of course theres a negative flip side to that as well).
Yeah they came out of the centre early in Fergie's era. Anybody know why they changed it? Was it just rejigging the inside of the stadium, so easier for get from dressing rooms from where the tunnel is now?
Indeed, that also is around the time when the 'iconic" elevated dugouts came in to being along with the giant slopes on the pitch edges
New changing rooms and facilities with the new tunnel came with the Stretford End rebuild in 92-94
Probably when they started refurbishing was that about 94?
I guess we're the self styled "biggest club in the world" so will be able to point at our stadium and average attendance.
Yeah my worry is we get this sleek massive new stadium and it’s just a bit dead. Sir Jim will want to try and get income from other revenue streams like concerts and NFL etc. I get that is maybe just how modern football is but I hope it is first and foremost a football stadium designed with acoustics in mind, fans tight to the pitch, steeper stands where possible and now the standard bowl.
Fingers crossed we get the best of whatever it is! When they open up suggestions from supporters/members, hopefully we do our bit.
Even our mockups look boring. At least Saudi Arabia are going with the "eleven year old who doesn't know what the feck he's doing on Adobe Cloud" design for theirs.
just imagine the thought of 100 thousand transfer muppets, statisticians and football experts in one stadium. Oooh the atmosphere
The giant slopes on the pitch edges were there when I made my first visit to Old Trafford in 1963!
They weren't that giant in the 70's, the pitch was raised, in the 80's I think, to accomodate the undersoil heating system better
I remember there being a story that it was a way to add in extra seating. There was also supposedly an issue with the advertising boards for Champions League dimensions being larger so some of the seats were unusable. You can actually see evidence of unused seating in champions league games in the 90s.
Trust me, the pitch was raised in 1963. Maybe it was raised more when the under soil heating system was installed in the 1980's, but it was definitely there in 1963!
Think it is worth to share this. Take a look at the Kai Tak Sport Park which is being built in Hong Kong. (Sorry I am not allowed to post media link yet in my reply)
https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8hlPGmACF8&ab_channel=Constructify
They are transforming the old airport land to a new sport park which includes a 50000 seats stadium as the center piece of the project. The stadium also surrounds by retail outlets, parks, hotels, waterfront dining area, public and private housing, indoor sport centre, public sport ground and etc.
It could be something we can dream of to the future of the trafford area. Thanks all.
https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8hlPGmACF8&ab_channel=Constructify
They are transforming the old airport land to a new sport park which includes a 50000 seats stadium as the center piece of the project. The stadium also surrounds by retail outlets, parks, hotels, waterfront dining area, public and private housing, indoor sport centre, public sport ground and etc.
It could be something we can dream of to the future of the trafford area. Thanks all.
It seems as if Foster + Partners have been assigned as designers and planners for the Old Trafford area and stadium regen. Plans were shared at the Labour conference in Liverpool.
Links below
Announcement article:
https://www.fosterandpartners.com/n...-old-trafford-stadium-district-masterplanning
Stadium and area concept
https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk...-teases-with-new-old-trafford-stadium-designs
- brand new stadium preferred
- £100k bowl like shape
- £2bn build cost (£1-1.2bn estimate for refurb)
- design work for the surrounding area underway first, with stadium coming later once plans confirmed with United
Links below
Announcement article:
https://www.fosterandpartners.com/n...-old-trafford-stadium-district-masterplanning
Stadium and area concept
https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk...-teases-with-new-old-trafford-stadium-designs
- brand new stadium preferred
- £100k bowl like shape
- £2bn build cost (£1-1.2bn estimate for refurb)
- design work for the surrounding area underway first, with stadium coming later once plans confirmed with United
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I would assume that 'bowl design' is just a placeholder for the visual presentation. I would be very disappointed if thats actually the design for a new Old Trafford. Its about as generic a design as you could get.
Most 5yr olds would draw a stadium like that in school.
Most 5yr olds would draw a stadium like that in school.
Exactly. Won’t stop people with the mentality of 5 year olds crying about soulless bowls though.
Will be heavily dissappointed if stands are not close to the pitch.
Don’t want to see miles between the first row and the pitch like The Emirates and Etihad. Others have likely previous mentioned it, but the design for Spurs' stadium is pretty perfect to me.
Would also be great with a similar single(or two) tier new Stretford end.
Don’t want to see miles between the first row and the pitch like The Emirates and Etihad. Others have likely previous mentioned it, but the design for Spurs' stadium is pretty perfect to me.
Would also be great with a similar single(or two) tier new Stretford end.
Agree. Out of interest, is there a reason for the stands being far away at The Emirates? At the Etihad and West ham it's obviously because they were designed for athletics but i'm not sure why at Arsenal?
I'm pretty sure Ineos will do a good job job though and create something pretty amazing. As for the "bowl" shaped stadium, you basically only have 2 options for a stadium, a rectangle or a bowl. so bowl is the sensible modern option.
Speaking of Spurs
Does anyone think we'll try to host NFL games if a new stadium is built?
I imagine the Glazers would be very moist for this
Does anyone think we'll try to host NFL games if a new stadium is built?
I imagine the Glazers would be very moist for this
Every stadium in world will look the same, drained of character for a style that will probably date.
Refurbish our historic stadium full of history and character is my massive preference
Refurbish our historic stadium full of history and character is my massive preference
It'll probably be Tampa Bay's 2nd home, I imagine we'll start hosting the Rugby again as well
This will truly be the point Manchester United dies.
Been following stadium design/construction for years and there really has been a huge shift towards these priorities over the past decade or so (at least, in Europe. NFL stadiums are so different in terms of what the owner wants), so I wouldn't worry too much, especially if we're spending big on it which we will be.
But Old Trafford is massively dated? Of course buildings will date. They all end up looking from a bygone era eventually.
It isn't though. It's infrastructure is in need of improving but old buildings like old Trafford have architectural hallmarks and a more timeless style than this futuristic fad of creative black hole. Its like saying a beautiful old Georgian home has 'dated'. Or a 15th century castle. These building date by age but not by style and character. Old Trafford needs some polishing, we don't need another toilet bowl, the same way every major western city is starting to look the same
Amen.
Even our mockups look boring. At least Saudi Arabia are going with the "eleven year old who doesn't know what the feck he's doing on Adobe Cloud" design for theirs.
Even the goalkeeper is looking up going "what the feck is that?!!"
The real reason it was changed was so that emergency services vehicles could get into the stadium. It was a reaction to the Hillsborough disaster. It made sense to move the players tunnel and facilities down to the same place, as the old tunnel is tiny in comparison.
The pitch was also higher in the middle to help with drainage so if you stood near the front in one of the paddocks or United Road you couldn't see the far touchline