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"Neuer is the best goalkeeper ever" - Jamie Redknapp
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Yeah his athleticism looks very impressive for that era but it's difficult to judge on clips I have to admit. I mean some of those saves do look quite routine but maybe for that time they were incredible. I think as far as reflexes and athleticism goalkeepers now, have probably reached the peak. I can't see it improving tenfold as has happened over the past 50 decades or so. The only thing now is probably that goalie are becoming more complete players.
Prime Buffon was a level above Neur. Even last season Buffon was better than him as Neur was very average by his standards
This forum has a very weird obsession with Neuer.
I'm not sure about Buffon now. Obviously at one point he was sensational but I haven't seen him play much over the past 7-8 years. Didn't he have a back injury which made him slightly worse off? Anyway, I watched him yesterday, he made one excellent save. Overall his career has been exceptional and he'll rightly go into history as one of the greatest.
With Neuer, I'm not sure, as I said, an amazing goalkeeper on his day but he can make a lot of mistakes as well. Maybe it was the way Pep has made him play. Playing it out all the time etc, or trying to be to clever but apart from being a massive presence, and a great shot stopper I can't see where GOAT contender comes from. Again, this is just an opinion, I'm not saying he's not a top keeper, he clearly is, but I think Khan was better for instance. I also think that pre-head injury Cech was better. Again, it's just an opinion, I could be way off.
Oh yeah I never said he was GOAT. I think such a tag is ridiculous about any position. Although the more I watch Messi, the more I feel an exception to be made. But anyway, I agree on Khan, I'd add Schmeichel as well and to me those two plus Buffon and Neuer are the best in modern football. I agree with you that the way Pep made him play contributed to those howlers. It's a bit like when fans criticize Spanish defenders like Piqué or Ramos for being out of position when they are required to play in systems that exposes them so much more than any other defender.
Yeah, I'd add Ronaldo to GOAT exception. I do dislike using it myself to be honest but nevertheless I get caught up in it.
Didn't really catch Schmeichel as I was a wee'un at the time but I've obviously seen a lot of clips, never the same though.
Fair enough! True, it's always a fun exercise to try and identify the GOAT.Yeah, I'd add Ronaldo to GOAT exception. I do dislike using it myself to be honest but nevertheless I get caught up in it.
Didn't really catch Schmeichel as I was a wee'un at the time but I've obviously seen a lot of clips, never the same though.
Peter Schmeichel /thread
He's consistently top class for 7-8 years now, both in club and for Germany. I think he's brilliant and definitely among the best of all times. And I also think game became much more difficult and demanding of the goalkeepers compared to even 20-30 years ago.
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Neuer's libero GK style has nothing to do with Guardiola in particular, he systematically developed it since his days as a Schalke youth player. (His hero at that time was Jens Lehmann.)
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It's also impossible to say who's the best of all time imo. Who of us can conclusively compare Carrizo, Yashin, Banks and Zoff? But when it comes to naming the group of the great keepers, Neuer will be in it when his career is over.
What sets him apart from everyone else is that he's basically complete. He possesses all the abilities of a world class traditional keeper and is probably the most advanced libero keeper so far. So he can have a world class performance as a Valdes/Lehmann-style passing/sweeping GK (like at the WC 2014), as well as in a more conservative, Buffon-like role (like today). And he can adjust these two elements according to team tactics and the course of the game.
Neuer's libero GK style has nothing to do with Guardiola in particular, he systematically developed it since his days as a Schalke youth player. (His hero at that time was Jens Lehmann.)
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It's also impossible to say who's the best of all time imo. Who of us can conclusively compare Carrizo, Yashin, Banks and Zoff? But when it comes to naming the group of the great keepers, Neuer will be in it when his career is over.
What sets him apart from everyone else is that he's basically complete. He possesses all the abilities of a world class traditional keeper and is probably the most advanced libero keeper so far. So he can have a world class performance as a Valdes/Lehmann-style passing/sweeping GK (like at the WC 2014), as well as in a more conservative, Buffon-like role (like today). And he can adjust these two elements according to team tactics and the course of the game.
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That why I wrote 'among the best of all times'. Schmeichel and Neuer are different kind of players and I have little doubt Schmeichel was brilliant too.
I wonder if one day DDG will be in contention for one of the best ever. If he could organise his defence better and lead a bit more I can see it happening.
Nah. He's the best NOW alongside De Gea but Kahn, Buffon, Casillas, Dida and Schmeichel are still ahead of him in my book.
Lev Yashin is the only Goalkeeper to win the Ballon d'Or so "officially", he should be known as the best.
Lev Yashin is the only Goalkeeper to win the Ballon d'Or so "officially", he should be known as the best.
Best GK in the world at one point.Dida?
No chance. I think he's rated so highly because he's got more to offer than just keeping, which is popular in the modern game.
I must have missed that game. Horses for courses and all that jazz but I'd be astonished if anyone else that happens to wander in to this thread would say the same.
Nah
He's world class but nowhere near the best ever.
He was nominated for the Ballon d'Or. He's absolutely one of the best.
That obsession will go away once De Gea is sold.
He made some very average saves, was poor for the first and dreadful for the second.
Neuer is a beast, best around. Buffon gets brownie points for longevity and being a nice guy, but he's currently not as good as Neuer. Maybe 10 years ago.
Celtic fan is an idiot for running on to the pitch but Dida... feck me... they got a stretcher for him
Needs more trophies to get that recognition IMO.
I swear, I was going to give the exact reply. It's still quite early in the morning so I wanted to ensure I was reading it right and remembering the same player.Dida?
Could someone post a gif of him going down like he has been shot dead when a fan brushed his face? Was hilarious then and is ridiculous now. ow on earth did the poster add that player to the group of possible all time great GKs.
The great Dane and the German were inseparable at one point. Both could be the greatest I've ever seen.
Bayern Munich fans who've a problem with this forum "obsessing" over Neuer(with many praising him) can avoid these thread instead of giving their expert opinion over everything.
That save from Bale's header was crazy.
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Very good performance from him yesterday!
If he had missed this match Bayern would have conceded 1-2 more goals. He has been world class for several years but claiming him as 'the best ever' is abit too much for me.
If he had missed this match Bayern would have conceded 1-2 more goals. He has been world class for several years but claiming him as 'the best ever' is abit too much for me.
Because he is compared a lot to De Gea this day, and De Gea plays for United so a lot of posters in this forum whenever possible will jump at the opportunity to talk shit about Neuer
Don't know about the whole greatest ever thing, but those 2 saves (Bale header and Ronaldo close range shot) were just insane.
Ability wise his goalkeeping skills are complete he has it all. As for best of all time we can only judge this when his career is over.
I consider him one of the best ever. Certainly the best of his generation, so far. I think judging ability is quite subjective, so everyone might have a different favorite, although it's undeniable that Neuer is one of the best keepers. Career-wise, he will probably finish above the likes of Schmeichel, Kahn and Buffon. Might not reach the honors of Casillas but his sharp decline really hurts him in these conversations.
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