Agreed that he's currently the best. But seriously, the best GK ever? That's a ridiculously bold claim IMO. I don't even think he's surpassed Buffon yet. He just plays for a more fashionable club and country atm, so he's getting a lot of the attention. Neuer is amazing but he's not someone devoid of making odd error either.
"Neuer is the best goalkeeper ever" - Jamie Redknapp
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Age has nothing to do with it.
Of course it does. With every athlete.
A keeper who is 29 has much more experience, when he played on the highest level,then a 24 year old under similar conditions.
So de Gea cant be as good as Neuer now because Man Utd is of the highest talent class himself.
And had more time to learn. End of story.
Your logic is so bizarre.
It's strange that you think there is an age hierarchy in ability. By that token Andy Goram has a shout at Goat.
You can't debate that logic. End of story.
So Ronaldo is better than Messi. At last we have resolution!
So Dave Beasant is currently the best goalkeeper in the world 
I don't agree that De Gea is better than Neuer.
As for greatest of all time; I haven't seen many of the greats, but by all accounts the likes of Banks and Yashin are up there with the very best. From recent times I'd say Buffon is the best, with Schmeichel, Casillas and Neuer not far behind. With Neuer being young (for a goalkeeper) I can definitely see him becoming an all time great by the time he retires.
As for greatest of all time; I haven't seen many of the greats, but by all accounts the likes of Banks and Yashin are up there with the very best. From recent times I'd say Buffon is the best, with Schmeichel, Casillas and Neuer not far behind. With Neuer being young (for a goalkeeper) I can definitely see him becoming an all time great by the time he retires.
Tbf, anchan is trying to say that De Gea is close enough to Neuer, without necessarily being as good as him, who is in his peak at 29. Basically implying that when De Gea reaches 29 years old, he will shit on Neuer.
Haha. Nice try.
Again guys; is it that hard? Do you need to sleep to get this really easy idea of mine.
Many would argue that 29 is not even the peak of a keeper. It surely isnt 24.
Neuer is better and Im sorry(not really) but David has a long way to go to catch Neuer.
You can hype him up all you want but the world is talking about the WC hero, the triple winner.
De Gea is part of an okish performing United team. Who cares, really? You all act like he is seen as a top 5 keeper for ages. But he never was in any of the important keeper rankings at the end of a season.
Let him do something big next year(doubt it with that team) and we can talk.
Courtois is one I really worry about. Not a guy who finishs 4th in England.
I get annoyed with people who dare ranking him besides or among the best keeper in the world so, I admit that.
But I have the last laugh these days. So thats fine.
Haha. Nice try.
Again guys; is it that hard? Do you need to sleep to get this really easy idea of mine.
Many would argue that 29 is not even the peak of a keeper. It surely isnt 24.
Neuer is better and Im sorry(not really) but David has a long way to go to catch Neuer.
You can hype him up all you want but the world is talking about the WC hero, the triple winner.
De Gea is part of an okish performing United team. Who cares, really? You all act like he is seen as a top 5 keeper for ages. But he never was in any of the important keeper rankings at the end of a season.
Let him do something big next year(doubt it with that team) and we can talk.
Courtois is one I really worry about. Not a guy who finishs 4th in England.
I get annoyed with people who dare ranking him besides or among the best keeper in the world so, I admit that.
But I have the last laugh these days. So thats fine.
Neuer is the best. I wouldn't say De Gea is a long way off though. Also Curtois is amazing but he also lets in his fair share of soft goals every season. DDG has been better than him in the last two seasons, certainly more consistent despite the high standards of Curtois. And i say this as a regular La Liga follower who watched 90 percent of Atletico games last season.
Haha. Nice try.
Again guys; is it that hard? Do you need to sleep to get this really easy idea of mine.
Many would argue that 29 is not even the peak of a keeper. It surely isnt 24.
Neuer is better and Im sorry(not really) but David has a long way to go to catch Neuer.
You can hype him up all you want but the world is talking about the WC hero, the triple winner.
De Gea is part of an okish performing United team. Who cares, really? You all act like he is seen as a top 5 keeper for ages. But he never was in any of the important keeper rankings at the end of a season.
Let him do something big next year(doubt it with that team) and we can talk.
Courtois is one I really worry about. Not a guy who finishs 4th in England.
I get annoyed with people who dare ranking him besides or among the best keeper in the world so, I admit that.
But I have the last laugh these days. So thats fine.
On a more serious note, I'll say that Neuer is better than De Gea most certainly, but the gap isn't as wide as it is made out to be. When you look at the individual goalkeeping facets in isolation, you could say there really isn't much between them. Neuer possesses phenomenal reflexes and shot-stopping abilities (sometimes getting down at a remarkable speed for someone having quite a large frame) but so too does De Gea when it comes to agility and mind-boggling saves. When it comes to communication (they barely make errors in this regard and DDG actually bails out his defenders more often than not, who commit individual mistakes frequently), collecting crosses and organising a defense etc there isn't much between them as well but I might be inclined to give Neuer the edge here in these goalkeeping departments.
However, what really sets them apart imo, is the sheer fear factor that Neuer possesses and the command over the penalty box that he has with his imposing frame. Schemichel/Kahn-esque in this regard but I wouldn't place Neuer up there yet though. De Gea still doesn't quite possess that aura - perhaps due to his relatively slender frame or his lack of experience (for a goalie) and perhaps one day might do so too. For instance, Neuer at Schalke was a brilliant shot-stopper but didn't have the same fearsome aura that he has about him now. With burgeoning reputation and perhaps a growing ego (goalies tend to be eccentric nutters more often than not
) perhaps De Gea might soon attain the same stature too. I'd say, that there really isn't much between them but what makes Neuer a 'greater' total package than he really is as opposed to De Gea, is the sheer command and fear-factor that he has.Hey! We can overturn the 3:0......in some realities......
On a serious note; I take a CL semi with the Meisterschaft in the bag over fighting for 3rd
But thanks for the nicer reaction guys.
You are United fans and thats great. Root for your guy.
You arent the ones who hate on Neuer to talk him down. All fine.
Can we get di Maria now or what?
Should have done better on Neymar's second goal. Maybe Jamie has cursed him.
Ah it was hit incredibly hard, it would have taken a top class save.
He had no chance.
It's easy to blame the keeper for such a goal, but I think you can only save that one if you speculate rather than react (and that might have exposed the far post), because Neymar hit it perfectly.
It's one of those where he could have saved it but you can't exactly fault him for not doing so.
Hey! We can overturn the 3:0......in some realities......
On a serious note; I take a CL semi with the Meisterschaft in the bag over fighting for 3rd
But thanks for the nicer reaction guys.
You are United fans and thats great. Root for your guy.
You arent the ones who hate on Neuer to talk him down. All fine.
Can we get di Maria now or what?
Nobody hates him on here. It's just that when an arsehole like Jamie Redknapp says a player is the "best ever" people look for ways to show he's wrong.
Neuer v De Gea is like VDS v Schmiechal.
different types of goal keepers. Neuer and Schmikes are much more commanding keepers who pull off brilliant saves and are great at one on ones. Their distribution is good as well, but De Gea and VDS are more organised and intelligent. Not as likely to win a one on one as the other two, but more likely to start an attack or play a brilliant pass out.
Technical v Brute force however VDS and De Gea will have longer careers.
For me, the latter two instill more confidence when the going gets tough or even when they're out of form. With the former, when they are out of form, they are terrible and you can really see it.
different types of goal keepers. Neuer and Schmikes are much more commanding keepers who pull off brilliant saves and are great at one on ones. Their distribution is good as well, but De Gea and VDS are more organised and intelligent. Not as likely to win a one on one as the other two, but more likely to start an attack or play a brilliant pass out.
Technical v Brute force however VDS and De Gea will have longer careers.
For me, the latter two instill more confidence when the going gets tough or even when they're out of form. With the former, when they are out of form, they are terrible and you can really see it.
I have to disagree here. De Gea pulls off the most outrageous saves on a regular basis, whilst his positioning is still not up to par - he didn't know how to come off his own line to claim a cross until 2013 (though he is now brilliant at it). VDS had great reflexes, but he was significantly slower and less explosive than the other three - however, he was by far the best commander of his defence/area, and had exceptional handling and positioning. Neuer is a mix of all of the attributes, and Schmeichel is like a better Neuer (or at least, better for a longer time - Neuer may still reach that level).
Just my thoughts.
Boateng should have showed more goals and properly threw himself at the shot ala John Terry style. What he did was coward. The shot was tough to get from that distance.
End of story.
Your posts are great anchan, very entertaining. When I read them I always imagine you sounding like Sgt Schultz from Hogan's Heroes. Makes them a great read.
Surely the best keeper ever should have saved it though? I wouldn't backed DDG to have done
End of story.
Your posts are great anchan, very entertaining. When I read them I always imagine you sounding like Sgt Schultz from Hogan's Heroes. Makes them a great read.
He's the most boring German poster by far, takes things way too seriously.
Aye, that is correct, though I think Neuer actually did "speculate" a bit on that - hence leaving the tiniest of gaps at his near post. But yeah, i wouldn't blame conceding that goal on any gk really. Practically perfectly hit/placed/finished.
I thought the one at his near post last night was one DDG would have stopped with his feet.
Think De Gea would've tried to save it with his foot rather than going down to parry it with his hand, which would've given him an advantage over Neuer's style (less time to get to the ball).Surely the best keeper ever should have saved it though? I wouldn't backed DDG to have done
Still, it was excellently hit by Neymar and I agree with BobbyManc, it's one of those you really can't fault him for not saving.
DdG is the best keeper right now.
However, Neuer made some crucial saves again. It might sound strange after Bayern got 5 goals in 2 games but without him things would have looked pretty ugly.
However, Neuer made some crucial saves again. It might sound strange after Bayern got 5 goals in 2 games but without him things would have looked pretty ugly.
How some people can say that DDG is better than Neuer is beyond me.
I really love Dave, think he is an incredible talented keeper and despite his already high level, he still can improve in the future. I know people feel challenged if a pundit like Jamie Redknapp say something stupid like '... is the best ever', as I don't like these comparisons either, but Neuer is at least the best keeper at the moment and certainly up there with the best over the past 20 years. He has that aura, that makes strikers overthink a lot of times, has the perfect physique for a goalie and defined the 'sweeper keeper' role to a new extent. He won everything as some people already mentioned and is incredibly consistent. It's no coincidence, that he was voted 3rd behind Cristiano and Messi at the Ballon d'Or. He deserved it, because he was and is an amazing player.
On the other side I don't think that it's really fair to compare a 29 year old keeper to a 24 year old one. Experience is the key and 5 years difference is a lot. If Neuer is the best of all time doesn't matter to me, as it is impossible to prove, especially considering how football and the role of the keeper has changed, but he certainly is the best right now.
I really love Dave, think he is an incredible talented keeper and despite his already high level, he still can improve in the future. I know people feel challenged if a pundit like Jamie Redknapp say something stupid like '... is the best ever', as I don't like these comparisons either, but Neuer is at least the best keeper at the moment and certainly up there with the best over the past 20 years. He has that aura, that makes strikers overthink a lot of times, has the perfect physique for a goalie and defined the 'sweeper keeper' role to a new extent. He won everything as some people already mentioned and is incredibly consistent. It's no coincidence, that he was voted 3rd behind Cristiano and Messi at the Ballon d'Or. He deserved it, because he was and is an amazing player.
On the other side I don't think that it's really fair to compare a 29 year old keeper to a 24 year old one. Experience is the key and 5 years difference is a lot. If Neuer is the best of all time doesn't matter to me, as it is impossible to prove, especially considering how football and the role of the keeper has changed, but he certainly is the best right now.
Am I the only one that interprets "best ever" as an emotional superlative to "one of the best" without any actual claim of truth?
Nah, I do agree, I was just being a little facetious for the fun of it!
No, I think when listening to Redknapp you have to engage your hyperbole filter by defaultAm I the only one that interprets "best ever" as an emotional superlative to "one of the best" without any actual claim of truth?
Neuer would be the best if he played more conservative sometimes. As it stands I prefer to have DdG in our goal right now as he is more reliable and with us playing inferior compared to Bayern atm this is important.
All in all I would say it is between Neuer, DdG and Courtois at this point in time.
I still think Neuer has a long way to go to eclipse Buffon. Buffon was/is so consistent and in his younger days made saves he absolutely had no right to save at all.
There were saves Buffon was making that I'm not sure any keeper in the world would have been able to save.
Neuer will be up there by the time he has finished his career I believe but if u were to ask me is he greater than Buffon already I would say no.
I also think Courtois might be able to reach Buffon's level in the future. He kind of reminds me of a young Buffon.
There were saves Buffon was making that I'm not sure any keeper in the world would have been able to save.
Neuer will be up there by the time he has finished his career I believe but if u were to ask me is he greater than Buffon already I would say no.
I also think Courtois might be able to reach Buffon's level in the future. He kind of reminds me of a young Buffon.
And now show me when exactly Neuer was supposed to be out of form in the last five years (his whole Bayern carreer and the final year at Schalke, arguably even the year before)? Thats the time Neuer has played on the absolute top level in terms of goal keeping so far.
I´m seriously not a fan of Neuer´s personality, but anyone who already rates De Gea higher than Neuer has either not seen enough of the latter to rate him properly or is blinded by bias. While this whole GOAT discussion is stupid at this point in time (he has simply not been around for long enough for that), there is little doubt for the vast majority of neutrals and experts, that Neuer is currently the best Keeper in the world and has been for quite some time now. One major reason for that is that Neuer is an extremely complete player:
- extremely fast reflexes, which allow frequent miracle saves and make him very hard to beat from outside the box
- strong control over his box
- very good pace for a GK, which coupled with his excellent anticipation skills allow him to play his sweeping style with such strong consistency (people calling him lucky in these situations ignore how extra ordinarily high his success rate is for years)
- rock solid positioning and high flexibility for his height, which make him tough to beat in 1v1
- good distribution by (both) feet
- currently unmatched distribution by hand (a point that gets ignored way too often. One of the strongest weapons of Heynckes´ final Bayern team were these freakish monster throws past the half line with pin point accuracy, which made them deadly on the counter)
- impressive presence, which does not only give him a psychological edge vs. most players, but also make him an important lead player for both club and country
- nerves of steel, which strengthen the previous point and were proven in several extreme pressure situations (CL-Finals, International KO stages, etc.)
- brutal consistency
Neuer has no obvious flaw in his game. It actually goes even beyond that. There is not a single category in terms of goal keeping where Neuer is not at least good. Even if we would erase his sweeping, the point which makes him stand out the most, out of the equation we would still be left with a world class GK and thats something I can not say for any other active GK.
My first thought was that he could have saved that one; it would have taken a good save, but not a spectacular one.
As for the question in the OP - he may become the best ever. To me, however, Schmeichel is the best goalie I've ever seen. I started following football around 1990, so obviously I haven't seen the old greats.
I always thought of Buffon as a poor man's Schmeichel. Maybe you are younger than me and thus haven't seen Schmeichel at his best, but during the 90s, he was absolutely brilliant. The saves he made made one opposition goalie applaud him from the other side of the pitch (Grobbelar) and one Arsenal player when Schmeichel made a double save that was impossible to save - I recall the pundits saying that it should not be doable what he did.
As for Neuer, he is amazing at sweeping and his style is different, but very effective. He may eclipse Schmeichel from what I've seen, but there are a few who follow the Bundesliga who say that he actually makes quite a few mistakes.
DDG, as brilliant as he is, is not at Neuer's level just yet. He too may become the greatest - he has it in him.