You can always go join the Leverkusen forumUnited bias? What an outrageous claim. That user in particular is known for his irrefutable objectivity
and your good self if also known for objectivity 
"Neuer is the best goalkeeper ever" - Jamie Redknapp
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and your good self if also known for objectivity Yeah, one of my favourites, although I do still prefer Schmeichel. His style was to be vocal and aggressive and push his defence higher and away from the goal. Heard him say he realised early if he pushed them higher, it meant the opposition couldn't get so close to the goal and it made his job easier in return.
VDS was more of calming presence and organiser of his back 4, which I think suited Ferdinand and Vidic. I don't think Schmeichel would have worked so well with those 2, he used that to make sure he had his angles covered and made saves look so easy because of it.
Both great keepers, I don't think you could pick a top keeper and say this one is the best anymore, it's all about what you want from your keeper in the team. My top 5 of keepers I've seen regularly would be something like this, in no order.
Schmeichel
VDS
Buffon
Neuer
Kahn
Think I would generally agree with this VDS was more of a organiser/cerebral keeper rather than an all action shot stopper which isn't as glamorous, was pretty decent on the ball too. Also why he lasted so long, great GK.
There is an expected bias in almost every football supporter. And ultimately, it's always about opinions, as there is no objective, quantitative way of comparison. But you do seem to insist strongly on your opinion, even if 95% don't share it.You can always go join the Leverkusen forum
You can always go join the Leverkusen forum
No worries, I'm on the Leverkusen forum as well. I mean, as great as this forum is, it is not nearly as invested in Leverkusen topics as it should be! But I'm willing to turn a blind eye to this incrompehensible - and to be honest a little bit disrespectful - lack of interest and fulfill my need to talk about the best club inn the world elsewhere because the football section of this forum IMO is pretty damn good. Broadens your horizon a bit if you primarily watch domestic football, can only recommend that
Why do you talk about Bayern München on the Leverkusen forum?No worries, I'm on the Leverkusen forum as well. I mean, as great as this forum is, it is not nearly as invested in Leverkusen topics as it should be! But I'm willing to turn a blind eye to this incrompehensible - and to be honest a little bit disrespectful - lack of interest and fulfill my need to talk about the best club inn the world elsewhere because the football section of this forum IMO is pretty damn good. Broadens your horizon a bit if you primarily watch domestic football, can only recommend that
Thanks will do ☺No worries, I'm on the Leverkusen forum as well. I mean, as great as this forum is, it is not nearly as invested in Leverkusen topics as it should be! But I'm willing to turn a blind eye to this incrompehensible - and to be honest a little bit disrespectful - lack of interest and fulfill my need to talk about the best club inn the world elsewhere because the football section of this forum IMO is pretty damn good. Broadens your horizon a bit if you primarily watch domestic football, can only recommend that
Of course everyone has biases. I mean you can setup a Schmeichel vs Neuer thread and see the results for yourself if you are feeling that confident. Plus I have some time to waste this morning.
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No, I am not that interested. If you'd put up a thread on a Bayern forum to name the top 5 keepers of all time, no one would mention Schmeichel oder VdS. It is what it is.
You seem to be interested enough to post in this thread about it.
But yeah, that's understandable regarding Schmeichel (BTW I wouldn't have VdS in the top 5).
I think that's fair. I never washed Yashin, so I can't really comment on him. But I also think Neuer might be ahead of Schmeichel/Khan etc by a hair, and only Buffon is in the same tier for me.
Casillas in his prime was great, as was De Gea, but neither aged well, and I think I have them in the 3rd or 4th tiers.
Seems like people underrate Courtois in terms of goalkeepers, he’s top 5 I’ve seen in my opinion. The 21/22 Champions League was the best ever club tournament by a goalkeeper. If you go back to the 13/14 Champions League for Atletico, he was almost as good. He’s been doing it for a long time, comes in for the CL final against Dortmund this year and he’s top class again.
I think he went through a rough period just after he went to Real and had some bad injuries which lowered his stock, but yeah his resume is pretty impressive (although lacking in the international scene) .
In terms of peak performance for modern keepers DDG is up there, I'm certain for a couple of seasons if it wasn't for his saves we would have finished at least 5 positions lower than we eventually did. But obviously his dramatic drop in form hurts his standing quite badly.
Schadenfreude primarily
Schmeichel had a tendency to get chipped due to his aggressiveness in positioning. Probably saved a lot of goals with his positioning, but also sometimes resulted in quite a fee chips over the years.
Albert, Pires, Suker all come to mind.
Tbf it's not a case of "I (don't) think it's a foul" for the Krul video since it's a literal example used by UEFA in referee training (and there's only 1 correct decision — yellow card & a penalty). But this is by the most recent revision of the rules and it wasn't as clear cut when Neuer did it.
I do agree with your arguments about the knee thing though and this is why many keepers were so opposed to that change. It literally puts them in danger, arguably more so than their own fouls do the opposition.
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For me it's a nonsense interpretation of the rules.
Tonight was the type of recklessness I was talking about earlier in this thread.
I mean, he can concede 100 goals in a season and that would hardly damage his legacy. You don’t really judge player’s standing in history by what he does at 38.
During his peak he barely ever conceded these type of goals aside from that incredible volley from Stanković.
During his peak he barely ever conceded these type of goals aside from that incredible volley from Stanković.
I assume this is a reply to me. I'm not saying it harms his overall standing in the game, just pointing out this is the sort of thing I've seen him do quite a bit (doesn't always lead to goals, but the point stands) is one of the reasons I don't rate him as the absolute best.
I think this was a past-it player moment in that you could see from the replay he thought he could have got to the ball but then realised he didn’t have the acceleration these days and turned back, so ended up in no-man’s land. 2014 Neuer is probably a few yards ahead starting position, keeps going and has a chance to intercept the ball. Usually doesn’t apply to keepers but the modern/sweeper keeper style losing pace is costly.
Yea, he's been going on his last legs for a while now since his previous seasons haven't been his best. I actually thought he would decline much quicker for the reason you started about speed being important to a sweeper keeper but I think he stopped being as adventurous since he came back from injury a few seasons back.
He's the best ever and the most complete. His influence and dominance is insane.
Most of the time though the recklessness works and he stops so many goalscoring opportunities by being quick of his line.
Who would you rate as the absolute best by the way?
Emanated an intimidating matchwinner's aura at the height of his pomp, literally rearranged Higuain's face in the World Cup final. Combined with his sweeper keeper skills and longevity, he's definitely one of the best. That said I've not watched Yashin or Grosics, and only saw the highlights of Chilavert.