As a sweeper keeper, he ranks up amongst the best. If we are playing a high line pressing game, I'd rather have Neuer in my team than Buffon or Schmeichel or Kahn.
"Neuer is the best goalkeeper ever" - Jamie Redknapp
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Schmeichel didn't need to sweep. He'd be imposing enough in a 1vs1 situation.
In a high line game, you'd want a GK who can step out and act as a extra defender. So yeah, if Pep was managing the side, Neuer would be a better fit...but in a current United side, it'd be Schmikes hands down.
Credit where it's due. This is an extraordinarily stupid post.
Says you.
Schmeichael could have adapted also just like his son has to modern football. Just like Neuer was coached into it by Pep.
But Schmeichel didn't need to be a sweeper keeper because he was very good at saving 1vs1 situations. Probably the best ever.
That's not why teams employ sweeper keepers, it's about playing the ball out from the back not saving 1v1's.
And Schmeichel wasn't bad with the ball at his feet. He just didn't need to do it because he wasn't told to.
Barthez could and was told to knock it off by Fergie.
I always snicker a bit when I see folks including DDG in a list of best goalies- can he get there? Most definitely and probably will but let's be honest he still doesn't hold a candle to the accomplishments of Neuer, Buffon, Schmeichel, Van der Sar, Chech, and Casillas to name a few. Goalies that have shown the very best at the highest level of each competition they played in. Both at club level and on their national teams.
I'm not arguing either of those points, but being good at 1v1's isn't the reason why he'd make a good sweeper keeper.
It's a good point actually. A decade ago the likes of Stones and Bravo would be a joke at the highest level... Like Barthez was.
Neuer is similar to Barthez but with greater natural goalkeeping ability and much better physical attributes.
Truthfully I like goalkeepers to be great at goalkeeping, defenders to be great at defending, midfielders to be great at passing and strikers to be great at scoring.
In my world Neuer isn't even in the top 10 best goalkeepers ever. He's a really good goalkeeper in the Courtois category - but naturally better with the ball at his feet.
I also think you put him in a much worse team and he'd be constantly caught out. I think he's in the Pique category of looking significantly better than he actually is because of the environment.
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There is a great advantage on having a goalkeeper who is great on the ball. And the same aplies for defenders. Especially for the dominant teams
Really, where does this idea come from that Neuer developed his goalkeeping style under Guardiola?
He played at Schalke for five years and it earned him both Germany's no.1 spot and the Bayern job.
Because the German competition in that position was so fierce at that point that he must have been the best in the world to be Germany's number one...
With the 38 year old Lehmann being the best German goalkeeper two years earlier and God only knows who being his number two a few years later...
He fit the profile... young, talented and German. Also let's be honest being a goalkeeper for Bayern Munich is like being Charlie Sheen's love interest in Two And a Half Men... Provided you look the part talent is somewhat redundant (that's not saying he isn't talented).
It's like the clueless olympics in here
Come on... the best ever?! That's way OTT. He's an incredible keeper, has won a pretty impressive stack of trophies, and was the first real sweeper keeper. However, he isn't the best ever; over the past 5-10 years probably.
Nobody said anything about best in the world? Your point was that Neuer would get 'constantly caught out' (= be somewhat unfit for the job) in a team significantly weaker than Bayern. He played in one as a young keeper and his career took a rather different direction.
We obviously have different ideas of how demanding it is to play a key role in teams like Bayern or current Germany. Probably best to leave it at that.
I will admit i only watched Barthez when he played for France, but he never looked to me an especially good GK.
Does anyone else think Neuer should be doing better for Ronaldo's second?
Yup.
Definitely.
Love watching the smug git concede goals. Just the 4 tonight.
Schmeichel was bad with the ball at his feet if you compare him to someone like de Gea. Good with the ball in his hands but much more cumbersome with the ball at his feet. He could launch it forward but he wasn't capable of acting like an extra outfield player.
Schmeichel was fine with the ball at his feet, and in another life I think he'd have been a great striker he was that good at finishing. He didn't just act like an extra outfield player, he scored a few goals too.
Schmeichel didn't have many flaws, perhaps the only real one was that he got beat on his near post a bit too often for my liking later on in his career, and was prone to getting chipped because he rushed off his line too quickly on some occasions.
I don't really rate De Gea that highly with ball at his feet. Just hoofs it under pressure.
Out for eight weeks with a broken foot. I can't stand him, but get-well-soon wishes from me anyway.
Fair fecks for playing on. Didn't even realise he had a problem.
He had a smaller foot surgery prior to the first leg against Real after picking up an injury during training. Missed a few games, the one last week was his first after the break. Looks a bit like he was rushed back into the team for the quarters, like Hummels and Boateng.
(Assumed it's the same foot, if not it's just bad luck of course.)
(Assumed it's the same foot, if not it's just bad luck of course.)
He isnt even the best gk of this generation
IIRC, Rene Adler was first choice going into WC 2010, but got injured and was replaced by Neuer.
One of the most iconic and revolutionary keepers, for sure, with a tremendous CV. There are definitely few tactics where you'd pick him ahead of anyone else that has played the game. When in form he's the best sweeper keeper the game has seen for me.
Overall, Buffon is the best ever for me. Schmeichel and Neuer both right at the top though with very few weaknesses, but Gigi has the least weak points of any of them.
Overall, Buffon is the best ever for me. Schmeichel and Neuer both right at the top though with very few weaknesses, but Gigi has the least weak points of any of them.
I prefer a keeper to be a keeper and for me schmeichel was the greatest, he made impossible saves
What him play for Spain and you'll see a different player.
Any vids? not saying you're wrong, just curious to see. It annoys me because he looks so light on his feet that on paper, I'd expect him to be the best ever keeper with ball at his feet but he's poor with United in relation to distribution.
His distribution has become poorer recently I feel. We seem to lose the ball a lot more from his kick outs than we used to. Might be just an impression though and not actually the case at all.
Oh and as for Neuer fair play for playing on with an injury.
Neuer is very overrated IMO. Buffon at his peak was a comfortably better keeper.
Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon. Buffon.
Given that Neuer has now retired from international football, and probably will from club football soon, wonder if the consensus has changed from the time of this thread.
He's certainly the greatest I've ever seen (watching from late 90s) though one could point to a bias given who I've mentioned I support.
Some really funny posts here as well.
He's certainly the greatest I've ever seen (watching from late 90s) though one could point to a bias given who I've mentioned I support.
Some really funny posts here as well.
He's top 10 for me, probably between 5-10. Post 2000 only Buffon has been better.
I think he's the best. One of the scariest shot stoppers I've ever seen, completely dominant in the box and then you add in all the modern stuff with his kicking/passing/throwing makes him the best all-round too.
The trophy cabinet to go along with the talent/ability. Played a big role in Germany's WC win in 2014 - so he's got the complete package.
The trophy cabinet to go along with the talent/ability. Played a big role in Germany's WC win in 2014 - so he's got the complete package.
Certainly not the outlandish statement people might have thought it was in 2015.