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Neuer may well be up there one day, but he needs to get rid of his occasional stupid error before that happens.
Neuer may well be up there one day, but he needs to get rid of his occasional stupid error before that happens.
"Neuer is the best goalkeeper ever" - Jamie Redknapp
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He's got a monster throw. Never seen anything like it.
De Gea has shown marked improvement in coming off his line for the ball this season. It's only in the last few games that he's not been doing it.
Schmeichel says hi. ... He perfected the long throw, sweeper keeper and terrorizing the opponents. Neuer is good but still has a lot to learn getting to his level..
Definite improvements. Still quite inconsistent with it though, knowing when to come and when not to come. But it will come with experience I am sure. He's certainly significantly better at it than he used to be though.
In a couple of years time, he's probably going to be the absolute perfect goalkeeper with an incredibly well rounded game. It's gutting that he'll probably not be here when he hits that peak.
Go home jamie your drunk
schmeichel
He did twice in that game alone i had the other gif and he's done it a couple of times this season.
That's only been in the recent few games when he has refused to come out which led to people questioning if the contract negotiations were affecting him. Before that he was mostly busy cleaning up the feck ups from our defenders.
Schmeichel's sweeping was less systematic – making him less of an actual sweeper-keeper. Not that Neuer is the first of that sort either.
As for the rest – the intimidating, swashbuckling style, the long throws, the more-than-active presence in the box...aye, no way Neuer has anything on Schmechel in those regards. Plus, Schmeichel was better on the line than Neuer too.
I reckon @Gio summed it up very well above. Neuer is brilliant at what he does and a perfect fit for a certain kind of team – namely a monstrous one, bound to be dominating nine games out of ten, playing with a high line, etc. The keeper – truly – becomes another defender, not just sporadically, but pretty much permanently. We could easily see that Neuer becomes the model for a whole generation of keepers – which will be interesting, if it actually happens: Because he would start to look like a liability very soon if he were to feature for a shabby-ish team, playing the same game.
As for the rest – the intimidating, swashbuckling style, the long throws, the more-than-active presence in the box...aye, no way Neuer has anything on Schmechel in those regards. Plus, Schmeichel was better on the line than Neuer too.
I reckon @Gio summed it up very well above. Neuer is brilliant at what he does and a perfect fit for a certain kind of team – namely a monstrous one, bound to be dominating nine games out of ten, playing with a high line, etc. The keeper – truly – becomes another defender, not just sporadically, but pretty much permanently. We could easily see that Neuer becomes the model for a whole generation of keepers – which will be interesting, if it actually happens: Because he would start to look like a liability very soon if he were to feature for a shabby-ish team, playing the same game.
Kahm had the better peak so far(WC 2002, he was Superman there) but Man Utd is on the track to beat him.
cough Schalke cough
Man Utd proved himself with a good team(Schalke and he endured really average defences there Schmeichel never had to live with) and in a dominant one(Bayern). He plays in a time with deeper quality and isnt 30 yet.
He was superb yesterday and with a bit more luck we would owe him a good fighting chance in the return leg.
Neuer is a level above every keeper playing right now(Buffon a bit past his prime, Iker also and guys like de Gea and Courtois cant be on his level due to age and experience) and is truly on the way to become the best ever.
If Redknapp sees him there Im fine with that.
GOAT goalkeeper? Nah. Still has the occasional error in him. Not saying the others didn't but Neuer, although excellent, hasn't yet reached the heights of a peak Buffon IMO.
Agree with most people here. Best at the moment, no doubt. Not of all time, though there is still time. Also, I thought he could have done better with Messi's first goal.
He was excellent for Schalke, certainly – if he hadn't been, he wouldn't have gone to Bayern.
But his weaknesses were clearly more exposed back then – and he hasn't necessarily ironed out those weaknesses completely since.
Neuer plays a very specific role these days – he didn't play that specific role for Schalke, and I doubt that anyone would be making GOAT claims on his behalf if it weren't for the role itself, which people regard as revolutionary (right or wrong).
Think Buffon might have something to say about that.
Wrong. He's not reinventing the role as some outlandishly claim, there have been GKs in the past with the same style. It's just that it had been a dying breed for a while and he's brought it back. He's excellent at it, but he hasn't invented anyhthing.
I don't like him. Takes way too many risks and is SO lucky not to get caught out more. However, that is a personal opinion.
What he has done (and which is why I rate Schmeichel above likes of Buffon, Kahn, Casillas) is he has redefined the role and brought something extra to goalkeeping with his style.
I don't feel Buffon, Kahn and Casillas did that, they were just good.
Although I don't like Neuer's style it, it is effective and is something keepers weren't doing to the extremes he was in the past.
When you think dominating box and one-on-ones, incredible distribution = Schmeichel = redefining role/setting standards for others to follow.
Now, when you think of Neuer's legacy it will be his high risk/starting position, front foot goalkeeping.
He is not better than Schmeichel though. I can't have it. I just can't.
What he has done (and which is why I rate Schmeichel above likes of Buffon, Kahn, Casillas) is he has redefined the role and brought something extra to goalkeeping with his style.
I don't feel Buffon, Kahn and Casillas did that, they were just good.
Although I don't like Neuer's style it, it is effective and is something keepers weren't doing to the extremes he was in the past.
When you think dominating box and one-on-ones, incredible distribution = Schmeichel = redefining role/setting standards for others to follow.
Now, when you think of Neuer's legacy it will be his high risk/starting position, front foot goalkeeping.
He is not better than Schmeichel though. I can't have it. I just can't.
what weaknesses exactly? how many mistakes did he make in important games?
He had an excellent game last night. Won't say he's the best ever but he's the best in the world currently though the likes of De Gea and Courtouis are closing the gap. Anyway, felt he could have done more on the first 2 goals. First goal at his near post and the 2nd one he would have been better off not rushing out since Messi loves the chip so much.
Kahm had the better peak so far(WC 2002, he was Superman there) but Man Utd is on the track to beat him.
cough Schalke cough
Man Utd proved himself with a good team(Schalke and he endured really average defences there Schmeichel never had to live with) and in a dominant one(Bayern). He plays in a time with deeper quality and isnt 30 yet.
He was superb yesterday and with a bit more luck we would owe him a good fighting chance in the return leg.
Neuer is a level above every keeper playing right now(Buffon a bit past his prime, Iker also and guys like de Gea and Courtois cant be on his level due to age and experience) and is truly on the way to become the best ever.
If Redknapp sees him there Im fine with that.
Denmark had an average team when they won the euros pretty much down to the big man in nets
Also when neuer adds goalscoring, crowd control, flicks over on rushing forwards heads to his repertoire then we can talk
Oh, I agree - certainly. Nothing new under the sun, really. Still, what one could claim is that Neuer's role is even more pronounced, somehow, than that of earlier sweeper-keepers. The latter is more down to Pep, of course, than to Neuer himself.
Bear in mind that this is a discussion about whether Neuer is the best keeper of all time – not about whether he's bloody good (which he obviously is).
His weaknesses, therefore, aren't horrible flaws but rather parts of his game where he does not outshine his peers. I'd say that among the latter would be his technique (his ball handling and his footwork) – he's no better than several others in that regard. Another would be his handling of crosses: Being so swashbuckling, he sometimes comes out too strongly where a more subtle approach would be ideal – which is a weakness in a proposed GOAT. Doesn't mean he's bad at it – but all's relative.
Agreed. He's the Gerard Pique of goalies. He looks good better than he is because of the tactics that teams employ against Bayern (and Germany). I don't personally like goalies who fly off their line as much as he does. He only gets away with it because opposition long balls are so easy to spot against Bayern's high line.
I don't rate him as the monster that so many else think he is, and I certainly wouldn't put him in the bracket of all time greats. At most, he's in the discussion for the best right now... but I doubt he'd look as good for United as DDG currently does. Both ourselves and Bayern have got 'keepers who suit their current teams.
I agree on his technical abilities and his long-ball delivery. I dont think, that they are any special. Not even in comparison with other current GKs. I disagree with the rest. He has easily been the best "classic" keeper (in term of shot stopping/catching high balls/commanding the box/1v1s) for a couple of years now. He can also already make a good claim, that he is in the top15 of GK-GOATs. He equally performed for two different clubs and the national team, won almost all major trophies and considering his age its not outlandish to predict that he could end up in the top5-/10- of all times.
How is that the Gerard Piqué of goalies? Playing in Barcelona's system is hardly something that is designed to make a (relatively) slow centre back stand out. He has to run backwards against counter attacks more than any non-Barcelona/Bayern defender, and if he gets it wrong it's a guaranteed chance.
Pique stands out because of his technical ability. He gets exposed plenty when teams counterattack against Barca. There's a whole thread on it:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/pique-most-overrated-defender-around.350963/
Yeah but my question is if he gets exposed when teams counter attack then how is playing in a defensive line more open to counter attacks making him look good? But aye, wrong thread for it.
He's a great keeper but ya can't say something like that at this stage.....I don't like his sweeping antics tbh. It can easily go wrong.
Goalies always look amazing when they rush out of their box and win the ball off the toe of a striker. Neuer does it a lot because his starting position is often so far outside of his box. I'm not saying that's not a skill, but I'm not as impressed as I would be if he was a goalie playing for a different team.
He's probably the best on-on-one 'keeper in the world, but I don't think he's all that special in most other regards. His sweeper-keeper style makes him look better than he is, and that's only possible because he plays for such dominant teams.
When did people start listening to Jamie Redknap's opinions?
I was talking about Piqué, should have made myself clearer.
R.e. Neuer, I think you're right that Bayern's system makes his sweeping look good, but I think you could flip that and say that no one else fits Bayern's needs as well as he can.
Personally I think he's a superb keeper, and that he'd be the best in the world even ignoring sweeping, but if I'm honest I haven't seen him regularly enough to properly talk about him.
Fine point. But Bayern is not Schalke and he doesnt need to be the keeper he was at Schalke.
So he shows off all his range. That he got it all, is great in every system.
I dont say that he is the best in every aspect by a mile but he also hasnt a real weakness imo and he took the sweeker keeper to the next and end level.
Even in this Barca game he made 2 or 3 runs deep into the feld who saved us then and which no other keeper would have even attempted.
Great post and I fully agree. Neuer is damn good, even if he is a cocky shit! He is not, however, at the level of the Great Dane... yet. Very similar in their presence though.
The only way to prove something is under the same conditions. Therefore to compare with schmeichel he must move to United when DeGea leaves
I have no doubts that Oliver Kahn was the best keeper to me. A great leader, extremely driven and rarely made mistakes. Neuer is a good keeper on the line but looks shaky in his sweeper role. More lucky if you want. No, Kahn was the best to me.
If we ignore sweeping (no reason to do so, of course), then De Gea would be as good, if not better than him.
I don't think so. Neuer's command of his area elevates him above de Gea I reckon.
His closing down and angling for one-on-ones is still quite a bit better, from what I've seen.
Agree. De Gea is better at shot stopping though.
Personally, i think De Gea has had a better season from an individual standpoint. He's made less individual errors compared to Neuer and whist dealing with a different defence every week. Neuer has been the best the last few years though - but makes costly errors and takes far too many risks. He could have done better with every goal that Barca scored imo - but he saved them from a hiding too.
I agree - but Neuer has virtually the same defence playing in front of him most games. De Gea hasn't had that fortune - ie no coincidence that he's be indecisive since McNair came into the side. I think this hinders his ability to command the box better.