NBA 2018-2019

JoaquinJoaquin said:
Concentrate on your own team. Blazers getting swept and KD probably doesn't even have to lace up. Embarrassing really for a WCF.
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What a fecking weird moment to pick on Blazers when we've just made our first conference finals since 2000. :lol:

Embarrassing is losing 65 games and throwing a fit because you did not get no. 1 pick for being shit, not winning 53 games and getting to conference finals with your key player injured.

A franchise like Atlanta can feel hard done, they're in the middle of a nicely prepared rebuild and just slided 3 spots because of Memphis, Lakers and Pelicans moving up, not Knicks who got more than they deserved picking at 3.
 
Eboue said:
They had a different GM who made short sighted moves because they wanted to demonstrate to their star that they could win. It helped them compete earlier but lowered their overall ceiling, like Cleveland did in Lebrons first stint.
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Plus they got super unlucky with that Cousins trade. It looked like a good one and they were playing well before his injury, then he went down and they had to panic move and get Mirotic who although he saved that season (they were excellent), was not enough to bring them longer term success. If Cousins stays fit they probably move that pick for a wing, and build around Jrue (who was getting better and better that year), Cousins, AD and a new wing. If they don't make that Cousins trade they probably end up with a nice player from that 2017 draft + Hield who has been excellent lately and would fit that team like a glove.

A combination of wrong moves and bad luck really. I hope they can build better around Zion.
 
Sarni said:
What a fecking weird moment to pick on Blazers when we've just made our first conference finals since 2000. :lol:

Embarrassing is losing 65 games and throwing a fit because you did not get no. 1 pick for being shit, not winning 53 games and getting to conference finals with your key player injured.

A franchise like Atlanta can feel hard done, they're in the middle of a nicely prepared rebuild and just slided 3 spots because of Memphis, Lakers and Pelicans moving up, not Knicks who got more than they deserved picking at 3.
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Well done on getting to the WCF. But being there with no realistic chance of winning is a bit pointless really. Nurkic wasn't moving the needle anyways. I'll be generous and give you one game in this series, calling it a sweep might be a bit harsh.

Who has threw a fit? I said we have a brighter future than the Lakers and the Pelicans if this Summer works out, which is true. I've discussed on the last few pages that Nola with Zion, Jrue, and Laker cast offs probably isn't making any noise in the West.

Atlanta isn't hard done by at all, they were trying to win the first 6 months of the season. The Bulls were hard done by. Atlanta wasn't.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Well done on getting to the WCF. But being there with no realistic chance of winning is a bit pointless really. Nurkic wasn't moving the needle anyways. I'll be generous and give you one game in this series, calling it a sweep might be a bit harsh.

Who has threw a fit? I said we have a brighter future than the Lakers and the Pelicans if this Summer works out, which is true. I've discussed on the last few pages that Nola with Zion, Jrue, and Laker cast offs probably isn't making any noise in the West.

Atlanta isn't hard done by at all, they were trying to win the first 6 months of the season. The Bulls were hard done by. Atlanta wasn't.
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Yeah shame on us for just being second best team in the West only behind the best team of the last 20 years. It's not pointless at all, it's a fecking conference final that two thirds of the league can't even dream about. But yeah, let's all laugh at Portland for only having their best season in 20 years. :lol: And Nurkic was very important for us, the difference between defensive rating of this team with him on the floor and off the floor is absolutely massive. We would have still lost to Warriors - everybody bar maybe Bucks will - but it would have been much more competitive.

All I've seen from Knicks fans for the last hours is basically 'NOLA are going to be shit', 'hope he leaves them when he can', 'he should have been ours'. Come on, it's ridiculous. Knicks had as much of a chance of landing Zion as Phoenix and Cavs, marginally higher than Chicago and Atlanta yet none of these fan groups are acting like they were owed anything.

I'm all for teams trying to win. It's shit teams that lose on purpose that I don't want to see rewarded, and I'm happy that they haven't been this season with the new odds distribution. 3 out of top 4 are actually teams that did not try to throw away games on purpose. That's why I feel for Atlanta, they did their best, ended up with 5th best odds and slided down anyway. I'd have liked them to be rewarded for building the right way.
 
Eboue said:
Also theres pretty much no chance Zion is in New Orleans for 6 years because that's not how the CBA works.
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It's really either 5 years, if he's going to risk it (or 3-4 if he's next Fultz and they don't pick up his options), or 8 or 9, correct?
 
I find it weird how entitled many Knicks fans felt regarding the n°1 pick. It is a lottery, you cannot be too devasted if you don't get what you hoped for.
 
Sarni said:
It's really either 5 years, if he's going to risk it (or 3-4 if he's next Fultz and they don't pick up his options), or 8 or 9, correct?
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2 - team declines option
3 - team declines option
4 - team and player dont agree on long term extension, player plays 4th year on offer, becomes restricted free agent, signs with another team, original team chooses not to match

Before the 4th year, teams can sign 4 year extensions (8 in total) and teams can designate 1 player to receive a 5 year extension (9 in total).

So what it basically works out to is if the player sucks, they will get 2, 3 or 4 years depending on just how bad they are. If they are good but not great they can work out an extension the summer before year 4. If they cant agree, they play out year 4 on a qualifying offer or hit restricted free agency. If they are great, a team will offer them the max extension for 4/5 years before year 4.

So basically a great player had these options the summer before year 4:

1.) Accept the qualifying offer - $4.5 million and then become a free agent one year later (Porzingis was threatening to do that)
2.) Test restricted free agency, sign a big deal and have it inevitably get matched
3.) Sign a long term extension with original team - $157 million over 5 years

And if you are going to get matched anyway, you might as well sign the extension. So it's really option 1 or 3.

4 years and out assuming all the risk of an injury or 9 years and guaranteed $150 million plus
 
kouroux said:
I find it weird how entitled many Knicks fans felt regarding the n°1 pick. It is a lottery, you cannot be too devasted if you don't get what you hoped for.
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14% chance and they somehow feel disappointed. As I said two other teams had 14%. A team below had 12% and the next one had 10.5%.

They had a far better chance to fall outside top 4 than to get no. 1.
 
I can understand Knicks fans being annoyed , I would be really annoyed if I was a fan . To come so close to getting a generational talent and not get him is obviously annoying and then to see the player going to the franchise who also got the last big talent to come out of the draft is definitely something that would piss me off. Add to that the fact that the one year they get a top 3 pick is the one year where it's a pretty awful draft and you are picking a guy with decent ceiling at 3 when you could have gotten a guy with unreal ceiling at 1 is just bad luck
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
I can understand Knicks fans being annoyed , I would be really annoyed if I was a fan . To come so close to getting a generational talent and not get him is obviously annoying and then to see the player going to the franchise who also got the last big talent to come out of the draft is definitely something that would piss me off. Add to that the fact that the one year they get a top 3 pick is the one year where it's a pretty awful draft and you are picking a guy with decent ceiling at 3 when you could have gotten a guy with unreal ceiling at 1 is just bad luck
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How did they get close? They had 86% chance to not get him and 14% to get him. Why are Knicks hard done by but Suns, Cavs, Bulls and Hawks aren’t? If anything they are worse off because Knicks at least got no. 3 with the exact same odds as two of them and slightly higher odds than two of them.

Why do people think having the worst record makes you very close to no. 1 pick? It doesn’t. It’s ridiculous really because they were celebrating late season losses as if it even mattered. Did people not get the memo about lottery odds?
 
Sarni said:
How did they get close? They had 86% chance to not get him and 14% to get him. Why are Knicks hard done by but Suns, Cavs, Bulls and Hawks aren’t? If anything they are worse off because Knicks at least got no. 3 with the exact same odds as two of them and slightly higher odds than two of them.

Why do people think having the worst record makes you very close to no. 1 pick? It doesn’t. It’s ridiculous really because they were celebrating late season losses as if it even mattered. Did people not get the memo about lottery odds?
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Where did I say that they were hard done by ? They got close means that they were in the final 3 picks unlike the other teams who were out anyway . Knicks fans are overreacting after a disappointment while you are losing your shit for no reason at all
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Where did I say that they were hard done by ? They got close means that they were in the final 3 picks unlike the other teams who were out anyway . Knicks fans are overreacting after a disappointment while you are losing your shit for no reason at all
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Well I’m losing my shit because their way of overreacting is disrespecting a franchise that have done nothing wrong here and predicting Zion to hate it there and leave before they even picked him, because they feel entitled to Zion and can’t accept the fact that they will never get him.

If anything the fact that they still got top 3 pick should soften the blow not make it worse. I don’t really see Memphis fans running around spouting crap about NO because they only got no. 2. I don’t see how they should be more annoyed than Suns or Bulls or Cavs or Hawks, unless it’s just because they were shitter than them during regular season which is not a valid reason anyway.
 
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Knicks fans behaviour in here:lol: Truly a deluded and obnoxious franchise. You guys should be happy to miss out on Zion, it gives your shitty fanbase another opportunity to boo your pick on draft day - just to see him get out of that dumpster fire at the first opportunity like KP.
 
Kasper said:
Knicks fans behaviour in here:lol: Truly a deluded and obnoxious franchise. You guys should be happy to miss out on Zion, it gives your shitty fanbase another opportunity to boo your pick on draft day - just to see him get out of that dumpster fire at the first opportunity like KP.
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:lol: they did boo Ntilikina and Knox too, didn’t they? Because they wanted Smith and Porter.

Imagine booing Porzingis because you wanted Mudiay.
 
Kasper said:
Knicks fans behaviour in here:lol: Truly a deluded and obnoxious franchise. You guys should be happy to miss out on Zion, it gives your shitty fanbase another opportunity to boo your pick on draft day - just to see him get out of that dumpster fire at the first opportunity like KP.
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You’re a Hawks fan from what I remember?
 
Sarni said:
You’re a Hawks fan from what I remember?
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Yep. Quite gutted to drop the maximum of spots like we did but at least we keep the Dallas pick. It's weird, my first emotion after the lottery was obviously rage (especially with Lakers passing us, the last franchise to be rewarded like that) but I hope in hindsight it won't make much of a difference if you're 3rd or 8th.
Zion obviously would've been a dream but it was always very unlikely, I hope Trae will (he has to really) massively improve his defence and stabilize his shot so that we can build around him, I hope they make best use of those two picks to find fitting players.
 
Sarni said:
14% chance and they somehow feel disappointed. As I said two other teams had 14%. A team below had 12% and the next one had 10.5%.

They had a far better chance to fall outside top 4 than to get no. 1.
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The concept of lottery is lost on many of them. It would be even more hilarious if KD doesn't end up there :lol:
 
Kasper said:
Yep. Quite gutted to drop the maximum of spots like we did but at least we keep the Dallas pick. It's weird, my first emotion after the lottery was obviously rage (especially with Lakers passing us, the last franchise to be rewarded like that) but I hope in hindsight it won't make much of a difference if you're 3rd or 8th.
Zion obviously would've been a dream but it was always very unlikely, I hope Trae will (he has to really) massively improve his defence and stabilize his shot so that we can build around him, I hope they make best use of those two picks to find fitting players.
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As I said, I am rooting for you because I like the rebuild you have been going through and appreciate the courage to do that Trae Young trade - even though I wasn’t convinced by him at the beginning he has won me over towards the end of season.

Even no. 2 wouldn’t have made huge difference for you because that is likely Morant and you already have your point guard. You would have been able to trade down again though.

I have Hunter and Hayes as my picks for you at the moment. I am confident Hayes will be available at 10 but I’m not sure if Hunter will last until 8, if not then whichever of Culver or Reddish is available would be all right. It’s entirely possible that none of those three is on the board though in which case it will be hard to find a wing (not convinced by Hachimura or Johnson as a top 10 pick). Hunter and Hayes would provide defense and if you taught Hayes how to shoot (you did that with Dedmon, Collins and Len, none of whom had been shooters before Atlanta) which is probable then you would have a great young core.

Do you think Atlanta could offer some high deals to young players in the Summer? Thinking about Randle and Brogdon most of all here. $20million per year to Brogdon when you have money to burn could not be a bad idea...
 
Eboue said:
Davis wont stay because they made bad moves and didnt contend. If they make good moves with Zion and contend, he might stay. You don't know that they wont make good moves and thus you dont know he will leave. Garnett stayed in Minnesota for 12 years. Duncan stayed in San Antonio his whole career. Nowitzki stayed in Dallas his whole career. Durant was in OKC for 9 years. Westbrook is still in OKC. Kemba Walker - 8 and counting in Charlotte. John Wall - 9 and counting in Washington. Lillard - 7 and counting in Portland. Aldridge was in Portland for 9. Mike Conley - 12 and counting in Memphis. Marc Gasol - 11 in Memphis.


The idea that Zion will automatically leave is wrong.
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Durant and Westbrook were in a well run organization and had James harden too and went to a finals .... obviously he stayed long they were CONTENDERS. As for everyone else you mentioned not one of them have the same potential ceiling Zion has and if Zion ends up as good as we all think he will you think he will wash away his whole career in a team like New Orleans? Hell no.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Durant and Westbrook were in a well run organization and had James harden too and went to a finals .... obviously he stayed long they were CONTENDERS. As for everyone else you mentioned not one of them have the same potential ceiling Zion has and if Zion ends up as good as we all think he will you think he will wash away his whole career in a team like New Orleans? Hell no.
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Wash away... because you already decided New Orleans will have no success and it can’t be any other way.

If they trade AD well they could build a hell of a team there.
 
Sarni said:
You are spitting at New Orleans for no reason, condemning them to failure and saying they will be shit and Zion will leave them just because they ended up above you in lottery. If you got no. 1 (because of being an utterly shit franchise for years which resulted in higher lottery odds) and they ended up 3rd or 4th you wouldn't even comment on them but because they stole Zion that only beautiful Knicks deserves you are shitting on them.
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Ok umm so what your doing right now is called ASSUMING because that’s not it at all in fact I would of said the same thing if he went to Memphis except New Orleans is worse then Memphis. New Orleans were never ever an attractive market they don’t fill out there arena and they didn’t make it worse with Davis who if he would have gone to a different team the poor kid probably would of had a ring by now. The Knicks are bad but so are New Orleans and saying that they will fail is not a bad guess considering they didn’t make it work with a guy like Davis. Also I am not saying he will leave just because we didn’t get him it’s just pretty obvious. Did you see the kids reaction? He does not want to be there he is better then that team market and organization. They don’t even get televised games ffs. He does not want to be there because he knows he won’t win there and this has nothing to do with my salty tears about not having Zion in NY 9/10 people would tell you the same thing. If he went to Bulls I would be just as upset as I am now but would not say anything I am saying about Nolo because they actually have good pieces and have potential to be a good team.

Don’t assume.
 
Sarni said:
Wash away... because you already decided New Orleans will have no success and it can’t be any other way.

If they trade AD well they could build a hell of a team there.
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They won’t get as many pieces as they would have if they had traded him early this year. Lakers won’t give them Kuz and Lonzo and Ingram isn’t gunna be franchise changing moves.
 
@Sarni Listen in a few years if I end up being wrong you can happily tag me and I’ll call my self a dumbass for you but I am as sure as the night turns day and day turns night that Zion and Nolo won’t win anything in his 6 years there besides maybe a second round berth in the west and that he will bounce just like LBJ did in Cleveland. You can quote this.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Ok umm so what your doing right now is called ASSUMING because that’s not it at all in fact I would of said the same thing if he went to Memphis except New Orleans is worse then Memphis. New Orleans were never ever an attractive market they don’t fill out there arena and they didn’t make it worse with Davis who if he would have gone to a different team the poor kid probably would of had a ring by now. The Knicks are bad but so are New Orleans and saying that they will fail is not a bad guess considering they didn’t make it work with a guy like Davis. Also I am not saying he will leave just because we didn’t get him it’s just pretty obvious. Did you see the kids reaction? He does not want to be there he is better then that team market and organization. They don’t even get televised games ffs. He does not want to be there because he knows he won’t win there and this has nothing to do with my salty tears about not having Zion in NY 9/10 people would tell you the same thing. If he went to Bulls I would be just as upset as I am now but would not say anything I am saying about Nolo because they actually have good pieces and have potential to be a good team.

Don’t assume.
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If Zion is resigned to being there because he already decided he can’t win there, then he probably does not have the character to be a top tier star in the league to begin with.

I’m pretty sure though that he doesn’t think that and will do his best to succeed and will give his all for the team to have success as well.

Quite ironic how you say ‘don’t assume’ as this is all you have done here. You assumed New Orleans will be shit, assumed Zion will want to leave, assumed he’s not even motivated to play there.

Bulls have feck all good pieces. Markkanen, Carter and that’s all. New Orleans will be able to get equal or better pieces in exchange for AD.

Knicks had 14% chance to get Zion. It did not materialize, get over it. If you get KD and Kyrie you might become good, if you don’t you’re probably going to be crap for ages. If he went to Knicks and you did not get those guys he would be even worse off.
 
SportingCP96 said:
They won’t get as many pieces as they would have if they had traded him early this year. Lakers won’t give them Kuz and Lonzo and Ingram isn’t gunna be franchise changing moves.
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Lakers have the #4 pick now to sweeten the deal. Kuzma would still be involved. Ball sucks anyway.

They also have Tatum, Brown and whoever else from Celtics.

Maybe then the Sixers get involved and offer Simmons (doubtful).

Zion, Tatum and Brown is an awesome young trio to build from. Better than most other teams. And sure as hell better than the Knicks any time soon, unless they get Durant.
 
Kasper said:
Knicks fans behaviour in here:lol: Truly a deluded and obnoxious franchise. You guys should be happy to miss out on Zion, it gives your shitty fanbase another opportunity to boo your pick on draft day - just to see him get out of that dumpster fire at the first opportunity like KP.
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Shitty fanbase? Assholes maybe but not shitty. Talk to me when Atlanta can constantly fill out there arena the way the Knicks do. It hasn’t happened in a while (maybe in the summer) but when the Knicks are hot they are the hottest news in the NBA and MSG is by far the best arena and atmosphere in the NBA next to oracle.
 
Is Giannis wasting his time in Milwaukee? Also a small market, also failed to build around him for a good few years, not a free agent destination either and have mostly drafted poorly as well.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Shitty fanbase? Assholes maybe but not shitty. Talk to me when Atlanta can constantly fill out there arena the way the Knicks do. It hasn’t happened in a while (maybe in the summer) but when the Knicks are hot they are the hottest news in the NBA and MSG is by far the best arena and atmosphere in the NBA next to oracle.
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Knicks are the Liverpool of the NBA
 
SportingCP96 said:
Durant and Westbrook were in a well run organization and had James harden too and went to a finals .... obviously he stayed long they were CONTENDERS. As for everyone else you mentioned not one of them have the same potential ceiling Zion has and if Zion ends up as good as we all think he will you think he will wash away his whole career in a team like New Orleans? Hell no.
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This is absurd. Almost every till pick isnt going to a good team because bad teams get top picks. The Sonics had bottomed out which allowed them to draft Durant and Westbrook. New Orleans is in a much better place at the time of the draft than Seattle was when Durant was drafted.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Ok umm so what your doing right now is called ASSUMING because that’s not it at all in fact I would of said the same thing if he went to Memphis except New Orleans is worse then Memphis. New Orleans were never ever an attractive market they don’t fill out there arena and they didn’t make it worse with Davis who if he would have gone to a different team the poor kid probably would of had a ring by now. The Knicks are bad but so are New Orleans and saying that they will fail is not a bad guess considering they didn’t make it work with a guy like Davis. Also I am not saying he will leave just because we didn’t get him it’s just pretty obvious. Did you see the kids reaction? He does not want to be there he is better then that team market and organization. They don’t even get televised games ffs. He does not want to be there because he knows he won’t win there and this has nothing to do with my salty tears about not having Zion in NY 9/10 people would tell you the same thing. If he went to Bulls I would be just as upset as I am now but would not say anything I am saying about Nolo because they actually have good pieces and have potential to be a good team.

Don’t assume.
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Meltdown May in full swing
 
Sarni said:
If Zion is resigned to being there because he already decided he can’t win there, then he probably does not have the character to be a top tier star in the league to begin with.

I’m pretty sure though that he doesn’t think that and will do his best to succeed and will give his all for the team to have success as well.

Quite ironic how you say ‘don’t assume’ as this is all you have done here. You assumed New Orleans will be shit, assumed Zion will want to leave, assumed he’s not even motivated to play there.

Bulls have feck all good pieces. Markkanen, Carter and that’s all. New Orleans will be able to get equal or better pieces in exchange for AD.

Knicks had 14% chance to get Zion. It did not materialize, get over it. If you get KD and Kyrie you might become good, if you don’t you’re probably going to be crap for ages. If he went to Knicks and you did not get those guys he would be even worse off.
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It’s not assuming countless reports said he was not happy about it. Just look them up. As for Atlanta it’s as obvious as it comes that it won’t work there for every reason I said above.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Shitty fanbase? Assholes maybe but not shitty. Talk to me when Atlanta can constantly fill out there arena the way the Knicks do. It hasn’t happened in a while (maybe in the summer) but when the Knicks are hot they are the hottest news in the NBA and MSG is by far the best arena and atmosphere in the NBA next to oracle.
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How old are you
 
Like I said anyone can quote me the day New Orleans win a championship because I can gladly admit I was wrong. But I am sure it won’t happen.

The Knicks are shit (as of now) and will continue to be unless they get the moves that they are all in for ( Durant and Kyrie).

This summer is the summer that pretty much affects our future.

I am a big Zion fan (clearly) and hope he does well but I do not think it will be in New Orleans and would probably bet he leaves.
 
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