Dani Alvez must be getting on 40 - look at him!What this guy?
Nathaniel Clyne | Signed for Liverpool
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Interesting theory, but would Liverpool pay these 'extra demands' and the sort of wage we offered, I would doubt it.
Maybe more a case of us going cold because he has been a bit crap recently, and better players becoming available, £15-£20 million is a lot for a player like this imo anyway, even on form.
I guess they might not necessarily have to as he's now changed agents.
I think he's a decent enough player but not one I'm worried about missing out on.
They'd nearly have to given they don't have CL football to offer. Or much else for that matter.
Good news
Every defender will be exposed at one point or another. Valencia was one of the best RBs in the league this season tbf.
We have had the likes of JOS as our RB many times and Valencia is far better there than JOS was. And you are over estimating the importance of an upgrade on Valencia in the RB position if you think we will struggle challenging for trophies because of it.
Don't get me wrong, I would be ecstatic for a proper improvement on Valencia but unfortunately there does not seem to be an option out there and Clyne does not fit that bill, at least for me.
Valencia is fine, its mainly Rafael im talking about
No wonder PL clubs are performing atrociously in the European competitions....
Valencia is seriously underrated here - he will never be World-class as a right-back but try to remember 3 matches this season where he performed poorly - you will really have to think about it.
Is Clyne a better player than Valencia - to be honest, I am not convinced. I have seen Clyne get into decent positions only to have his crossing let him down.
Is Clyne a better player than Valencia - to be honest, I am not convinced. I have seen Clyne get into decent positions only to have his crossing let him down.
Pass completion, chance creation, goals and assists? You know you're comparing right backs don't you?
United will have had a number of targets in mind at right-back. I'm sure a target considered better by the club will have agreed to sign. His agent will have been told we're not interested. Clyne putting out a statement hinting he might stay with Southampton was an indication United were not interested. It's rare for a player with ambition turns down United in favour of Southampton.
If United were to sign a right-back he'd have to be better than Clyne who I don't think is much of an upgrade on what we already possess. If Rafael gets over his injury issues he's actually a better player than Clyne.
If we dropped interest because the player was motivated by money, then we probably arent interested in Alvez either... not that I would be complaining
Valencia better than Clyne? This place 
Clyne's a good player but I've never seen him as or long term solution to RB. If we signed him we'd be looking to replace him within a few years IMO.
Erm have you watched Valencia?
Anyway I don't want Clyne, and don't think he is an upgrade on Valencia either.
If Clyne comes here I am sure that would be as a starter. As of now that position is locked down by Valencia and not Rafael so it would be Valencia who we should be comparing him with.
I'm surprised if we're going to let Clyne go to Liverpool for £12-15m without trying for him. He's a good player, defensively and offensively and a good age as well, proven in this league, etc.
It's hilarious. Only on the Cafe does anyone seriously rate Valencia as a right back. He'll do a job for you there but that's all it is.Valencia better than Clyne? This place
This is a joke, right?!
Looks as if we are going after the wrong targets again and will be left with just leftovers.
Sometimes I wonder if anyone has seen Clyne play this season - he is good yes, is he great ? No!
And I will be the first to admit that Valencia isn't a World-class right-back but is Clyne better ? At best - marginally better. I am not saying that it would be good enough to start with Valencia as our best right-back but he isn't a weakness either.
Valencia is incredibly uninspiring going forward and clearly not a natural defender, but he's caused us very few problems this year. People want to get rid of him because they're bored of him and want a new exotic fullback, not because he's poor. If we can get Dani Alves then he really can transform our attacking game in the short-term, but Clyne is a different matter altogether. He's probably better but he's not significantly better in any facet of play. He's not a natural defender either, he's not particularly creative, he's not one of his team's main attacking threats...Calum Chambers was an upgrade on him when he broke into the team and look how he's done at Arsenal. Honestly, Clyne for England was as uninspiring as you can get. Valencia for Ecuador is a clearly superior player.
It's definitely a case of people seeing that cow in another field...
It's definitely a case of people seeing that cow in another field...
Everton and Arsenal instantly come to mind. He's not good enough at RB.
I thought this was a no brainer, strange that the trail has gone cold.
Hopefully our name reemerging in regards to him is to push Liverpool to make a higher bid.
Sounds like Alves has superseded him
I'm not sure I want Clyne anymore, he didn't really do much after the hype died down.
I've been back and fourth on Clyne myself. He isn't sexy and that's part of the problem but I'm pretty confident he would be an upgrade despite some of the stats being bandied about in here.
Isn't Nathaniel CLyne a better RB than Phil Jones?? And that's his natural position too....
Played Henderson at RB too. Not sure if Roy was just trying to prove a point with his selections, but it all appears a little silly in all honesty.
Isn't Nathaniel CLyne a better RB than Phil Jones?? And that's his natural position too....
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“If I were to play him and leave out Phil Jones there would have been a lot of questions about ‘Don’t you rate Phil Jones?’
No one would ask that question, you senile old pisstained owl - Even when he opens his geriatric gob on matters that have nothing to do with LFC, he gets my blood boiling.
Waffling old pisscock
At the end of the day managers favour Phil Jones. Fergie did, Moyes did and Van Gaal does. Get over it!
Phil Jones is not a RB, he really shouldn't be favored over Clyne at RB.
As much potential as Jones shows, his decision making has never really improved and he is too rash for the CM position IMO.
Southampton have agreed a deal for Cedric Soares (RB) . So looks like he's off.
How much do they want? 15m?
Seems like the only RB we could get, unless we go for someone nobody ever heard of. Fabinho is a candidate i read in the Twitter thread, but lequipe are shit this summer.
Seems like the only RB we could get, unless we go for someone nobody ever heard of. Fabinho is a candidate i read in the Twitter thread, but lequipe are shit this summer.
There's something not quite right about Clyne.
For most of the season we were heavily linked with him, our interest seemed genuine and it looked a simple and easy bit of business.
Not long before end of season the interest seems to wane and stories emerge of LVG changing his mind about him.
Post season we have no interest whatsoever and utd seem happy to tell that to journos.
Now he can't seem to hey a game for England, Roy clearly doesn't like something about him (or someone on coaching staff doesn't). To be do steadfast in not picking him then putting henderson in front of him at RB. Then there's the stories about how Roy thinks he shouldn't expect to start based on form.
All a bit suss to me. I just wonder if there's something behind the scenes with him. Either he's just a massive twat that nobody likes, or he's just not showing something in training etc and people who know better aren't convinced.
For most of the season we were heavily linked with him, our interest seemed genuine and it looked a simple and easy bit of business.
Not long before end of season the interest seems to wane and stories emerge of LVG changing his mind about him.
Post season we have no interest whatsoever and utd seem happy to tell that to journos.
Now he can't seem to hey a game for England, Roy clearly doesn't like something about him (or someone on coaching staff doesn't). To be do steadfast in not picking him then putting henderson in front of him at RB. Then there's the stories about how Roy thinks he shouldn't expect to start based on form.
All a bit suss to me. I just wonder if there's something behind the scenes with him. Either he's just a massive twat that nobody likes, or he's just not showing something in training etc and people who know better aren't convinced.
Liverpool signing.
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