Same as every comment on here, an opinion.
Nathaniel Clyne | Signed for Liverpool
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Yeah, there really isn't much between them IMO. Valencia frustrates people but he brings a lot to the team, and while we could obviously upgrade on him, signing Clyne wouldn't really be an upgrade IMO. Not sure if Coleman would be either, or anyone from the prem for that matter.
I am not a big fan of Clyne and if that is our best option, I would rather we stick with Valencia for another season and give Rafa another chance.
for 14/15 million I think Clyne would be a good purchase
consider what we paid for Shaw last year and Clyne was better/more reliable certainly for the last year, possibly two years than Shaw
he looks a solid player defensively to me (didn't Southampton have one of the best defensive records last season?)
consider what we paid for Shaw last year and Clyne was better/more reliable certainly for the last year, possibly two years than Shaw
he looks a solid player defensively to me (didn't Southampton have one of the best defensive records last season?)
It's irrelevant how long is left on his contract if three or more clubs are in for him - it's a straight out bidding war. You wouldn't want to risk leaving it till his contract runs out and another club stepping in for a young english talent like clyne.
If we're looking to keep Rafael and not buy another RB we can't be serious about challenging for titles again. Rafael's situation won't just suddenly improve, that boy is not physically wired for football.
I would love it if we nicked him from under Liverpool's nose. RAWK would riot
How specifically? He's had a good season being a regular in one of the toughest defenses in the PL.
Not really. If a player who has only a year left on his contract, want's to go to a particular club, ruling out a move to a higher bidder, the club he's at would risk losing him for nothing in 12 months, were they to turn down a reasonable offer from the players preferred option.
He's a very decent player, who's main strength is going forward. Southampton have been a very well organised team, defending as a whole, better than many a side - thank their coach for that, as much as the talent of their individual defenders, none of whom have huge valuations.
I agree, it would be great if there were an outstanding candidate for RB, who's available & willing to come.
I don't see why he would leave unless it was for a top 4 side, unless Liverpool end up being the highest bidder.
Liverpool don't have a hope of getting him if we or other top four clubs are interested. Nothing else to it.
If you do a Squawka comparison, it is quite clear that Valencia is the superior performer at this point in time. Clyne's pass completion rate is 78%, compared to 89% for Valencia. Valencia also creates more chances per 90 mins (0.91 against 0.63), more assists (V2 - C0), Clyne ahead on goals scored (C2 - V0) though Valencia barely ever shoots. Valencia ahead on % of aerial duals won, interceptions.
I think Coleman would definitely be an upgrade on Valencia.
Darmian and Carvajal would be my first choices for RB though.... Torino are only asking around €20M for Darmian.
Would fit in right at Liverpool alongside Lovren and Moreno. 15-20m for this guy and Southampton are laughing all the way to the bank. When someone like Darmian is available for 14m and Alves for free, i dont see why we should pay lets say 18m for this average RB? If he had more than a year on his contract, he would cost 20m+, which is laughable. I'd rather buy Alves now and wait a few years for a proper RB than buying this guy, he would be backup to Valencia anyway.
10m is his value, nobody should pay more for a decent squad player.
10m is his value, nobody should pay more for a decent squad player.
Well for starters, Liverpool are a much bigger club than Southampton. They're also better.
Think we wanted Alves and are close to getting him.
Both Clyne and Coleman are obviously upgrades on Valencia at RB. Madness to suggest otherwise. Valencia is a winger ffs, he's done well to adapt to RB this season but he will inevitably be exposed, especially when we step up to competing for the title and playing against the best European teams.
Think we may not be interested in this one.
Clyne is not a patch on Shaw. He's on his way to becoming the best left-back around injuries permitting.
Do not want. Hope he stays at Southampton.
Think our interest died down when Southampton started sounding confident of keeping him (not sure which happened first and caused the other reaction)
According to the media Alves appears to be the RB we are closest to signing at the moment.
Either would be a definite improvement on what we have imo, but neither are what I would ideally want.
This is the scenario where I would push for a player swap in the De Gea situation. Instead of trying for Bale we should be trying for Carvajal in my opinion. Wildly unrealistic but what fun is a summer without a bit of muppet dreaming?
The best "put the decision off" option is to sign Alves for 2 seasons then hope the RB market looks a lot better in 2017.
Clyne would have been fine and probably a smart signing.
Not like he was an outstanding RB either though. Alves would be a better option even if it is only in the short term, Coleman is definitely better than Clyne, Darmian certainly has the rep as being better than Clyne, Carvajal is obviously better than Clyne and there are probably a few others across Europe who are better players (if perhaps somewhat unproven).
So yeah, Liverpool can take this guy. He will certainly improve them though so it would be a good buy on their part.
Not like he was an outstanding RB either though. Alves would be a better option even if it is only in the short term, Coleman is definitely better than Clyne, Darmian certainly has the rep as being better than Clyne, Carvajal is obviously better than Clyne and there are probably a few others across Europe who are better players (if perhaps somewhat unproven).
So yeah, Liverpool can take this guy. He will certainly improve them though so it would be a good buy on their part.
.We've apparently dropped our interest. We'll sign someone better.
Happy to hear we're out of this*. He's a decent player but really not that young at 24, and with English tax I don't think he's worth the money. Would rather see us go for Dani Alves and then try to find a better long-term solution in two years time.
According to the Press Association. When they say it, it's true: http://www.theguardian.com/football...united-southampton-liverpool?CMP=share_btn_tw
According to the Press Association. When they say it, it's true: http://www.theguardian.com/football...united-southampton-liverpool?CMP=share_btn_tw
All Shaw has is potential - impossible to predict how well he will play unless he gets a proper run of games
Clyne on the other hand was probably second only to Ivanovic in his position last season and is available for around half a Luke Shaw
Time will tell but it's impossible to tell how good Shaw will be after that season
Don't think we're in for him but he'd be value for ~12m.
I'd rather not sign that nobhead from Barca. Clyne would be a very good signing for Liverpool.
Looks solid...'ish... he's not really stood out in any games I've watched, but I don't suppose he's done too much wrong in them either, If it's true and we've pulled out I don't think I'd lose any sleep personally.
if we've dropped interest, it must surely mean Alves is on his way.
What this guy?
bloody hellClyne is not an upgrade e
He's already good enough to play for United at 19 years of age. Unfortunately, we haven't seen the best of him due to his injury issues and stop-start season. He'll develop into a fantastic player going forward and we'll forget the fee paid.
http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?53541-Nathaniel-Clyne-Contract/page20
I'm taking what is written with a pinch of salt, but this guy posted this on Saints web:
He did change agents.
I'm taking what is written with a pinch of salt, but this guy posted this on Saints web:
He did change agents.
Would fit, we suddenly lost our intetest.
If that does happen to be true, then good on us. Southampton are a decent club, but if we come knocking I'd expect a player to want the move for footballing reasons not money. He'd inevitably be far better paid here anyway.
Well, if that's the case, we don't need more money-grabbing mercenaries who put money before ambition in our club.
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