It depends on what you want from your Fullback. From what i saw, Clyne isnt that great to me. Offensively he offers nothing, defensively he is ok. I thought he would be much faster than he actually is most of the time. I dont see the need for Clyne when we have Valencia. I prefer Darmian, better workrate and technically/tactically top notch. Offers more going forward and can play on both sides. He has the right mentality for a top club.
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It depends on what you want from your Fullback. From what i saw, Clyne isnt that great to me. Offensively he offers nothing, defensively he is ok. I thought he would be much faster than he actually is most of the time. I dont see the need for Clyne when we have Valencia. I prefer Darmian, better workrate and technically/tactically top notch. Offers more going forward and can play on both sides. He has the right mentality for a top club.
Alves had been outstanding for Sevilla before he went to Barca though, you're not doing Clyne many favours with that comparison.
Might as well get Clyne if Carvajal is the only other option.
I have seen Clyne and thought he looked average...I was just saying that others think Darmian has been good so he might be worth a look. Think that right back at Monaco is meant to be highly rated as well although I can't remember his name
I doubt it or even if he has most people on here won't know about it because lets face it who watched Torino matches on the regular? I've only seen him a few times for Italy and he has looked good but all Serie A watchers I know like you say he is average.
Carvajal got torn a new one at times by our very own Memphis. I'm pretty sure he played right back that game. No fullback is perfect.
Even vs Juve he was all over the place and should have been sent off.
Dunno why people on here are speaking as if Carvajal is some great fullback. Gets caught out somewhat regularly resulting in weird and rash challenges (Something Rafael would get slammed for in his younger days) and is Okayish going forward.
Fabinho, and he's being linked left right and center to Barcelona. Oh maybe we can try PSG's 27 year old RB Gregory van der wiel who we've been linked with as well and who looks a little like Depay. He fits into the profile as he's heavily tattooed and he's not Nathaniel Clyne. If that doesn't work lets just pick some names out of a hat and make a shorlist
Alanother ben outstanding for Sevilla before he went to Barca though, you're not doing Clyne many favours with ison.
I am not the one who claimed he is like Dani Alves, just saying Alves was at a lesser club and moved around same age. He is not going to be as good as Dani Alves whether we signed him at 18 or 24 but he is a decent age in my opinion. We need to judge him by whether he can do a job for us and I think he potentially could.. at international level he has looked comfortable and he can definitely handle himself at a higher level whether he can be a star though is debateable.
Anyway signing defenders the last thing we need is another teenager.
I'm sorry if you have been offended by my suggestion of Darmian and Fabinho being potential alternativesFabinho, and he's being linked left right and center to Barcelona. Oh maybe we can try PSG's 27 year old RB Gregory van der wiel who we've been linked with as well and who looks a little like Depay. He fits into the profile as he's heavily tattooed and he's not Nathaniel Clyne. If that doesn't work lets just pick some names out of a hat and make a shorlist
i didn't know Fabinho was off to Barca as I thought they were going to give Alves a new deal. Clyne is also heavily tattooed so I have no idea what is going on hereI'm sorry if you have been offended by my suggestion of Darmian and Fabinho being potential alternatives
Im not offended, im flabbergasted
In all seriousness I think Clyne would do a job here. I'll be fully behind any signing we make in this position.
He must have been pretty shite then, being in the team of the year and earnig himslef a World Cup spot.
Fair enough, perhaps Clyne is the only player in the market for us then. We really should have addressed the right back issue sooner rather than throwing Jones/Smalling there and hoping Rafael would shake himself out of it a couple seasons back. Nevertheless, I'm sure Clyne would do a decent job at least and would at least help our home grown quota if we continue to route with the foreign exports. Perhaps it's a psychological issue I have with not rating English players...
He was quite good last season (probably best or second best RB in the league after lichtsteiner) while this season he has improved his attacking play.
Flabbergasted for people suggesting that their could be better alternatives to Nathaniel Clyne? I actually think Coleman would be better than Clyne...is that also too controversial?Im not offended, im flabbergasted
In all seriousness I think Clyne would do a job here. I'll be fully behind any signing we make in this position.
He wasn't shite but he wasn't particularly impressive whenever I watched him, either.
Clyne has been consistently impressive for a good few seasons now. Of course, a few resident footballing oracle's watched that dodgy half against Italy and a consensus is formed.
Southampton's defensive record speaks for itself. He can defend, he's fast, he gets up and down the pitch and will improve the first team. He isn't a world beater but there is a dearth of quality right backs at the moment, and our need for a better right back is paramount.
Clyne will come, put in solid performances and turn a few heads in a more positive direction, I'm sure. He's ready for a big move and has lots to prove, something I think we should be taking into consideration when signing players this summer.
The only potential misgiving is his ability to fit into a Van Gaal possession-based play style. Ball retention is an area I think he'd have to improve.
Southampton's defensive record speaks for itself. He can defend, he's fast, he gets up and down the pitch and will improve the first team. He isn't a world beater but there is a dearth of quality right backs at the moment, and our need for a better right back is paramount.
Clyne will come, put in solid performances and turn a few heads in a more positive direction, I'm sure. He's ready for a big move and has lots to prove, something I think we should be taking into consideration when signing players this summer.
The only potential misgiving is his ability to fit into a Van Gaal possession-based play style. Ball retention is an area I think he'd have to improve.
He might be a good player - who knows? What someone does for Southampton doesn't mean they'll perform week in week out for United
I was joking
He attacks well and wants to press more than he like to defend. What is wrong with that? He is still more comfortable at defending than both Rafael and Valencia, which is what we need.
Fee would be a little bit too high with one year left on his contract, but it seems like we don't try to negotiate a good fee for any player anyway
Still think he is a good signing, no doubt about that and no there are not really much better and realistic options outthere. People keep mentioning Darmian and while I rate him too, I don't think he is much better than Clyne. He would cost more money and would be a much bigger risk with transition from Italy to England. Coleman would be another one, would also cost more, is older and while I think he is better, it's also not that much to be honest and Clyne can play on both sides.
The other fullbacks who would be improvements are not available at all or shouldn't be a option with their age like Alves for example.
Still think he is a good signing, no doubt about that and no there are not really much better and realistic options outthere. People keep mentioning Darmian and while I rate him too, I don't think he is much better than Clyne. He would cost more money and would be a much bigger risk with transition from Italy to England. Coleman would be another one, would also cost more, is older and while I think he is better, it's also not that much to be honest and Clyne can play on both sides.
The other fullbacks who would be improvements are not available at all or shouldn't be a option with their age like Alves for example.
Hes played LB like less than 10 times, I'm sure you could throw any RB at LB and they'd do a similar job.
It's a hard position to fill. On the one hand i want us to prioritise a defensively sound right back, someone who won't make the positional errors Valencia does. Yet on the other, we need someone who is good going forward and can link up well with the rest of our right hand side. Our attack lost something when we started playing Valencia there because he is just so dump in the final third. 2013 un-crocked Rafael was a key component of our attack that season, and we've missed a presence like him there since. With Luke Shaw great defensively and inconsistent going forwards or just plain injured, it would be brilliant to have a right fullback who can contribute next season, since we're not so hot on the left in that regard.
So all we really need is a right back who can defend solidly, get forward and contribute, and is available this summer. Not too much to ask...
Even eliminating the third issue there, you're still not spoilt for choice.
So all we really need is a right back who can defend solidly, get forward and contribute, and is available this summer. Not too much to ask...
Even eliminating the third issue there, you're still not spoilt for choice.
My preference would still be Coleman but I think Clyne could be a great signing. Either or would at least come with the tag of having proved themselves in the league, and are good ages.
The thing is we will be relying on the fullbacks to overlap and deliver crosses into the box with the use of inverted wingers, I am just not sure Clyne has enough skill in this regard and tends to have loose ball control in good positions. To me people keep throwing up the foreigner snark but in the case of Clyne you can conversely argue we wouldn't be interested if he was English.
Do you think Van Gaal cares that much if the player we are signing is English or not. And once again there is not a ton of quality options out there.
He said when he first came in that he thought that it was important to have players in the team from the country, and on top of that the club will be having a say in transfers now, it wont be a one man show as it was under Fergie.
Who in the Premier League is a better allround right back at the moment? Ivanovic and Zabaleta, but after that it's a close race. There isn't exactly a wealth of high-quality young fullbacks at the moment. Clyne would well for us. Better defensively than Valencia and can actually complete a game, unlike Rafael. Starting line-up improved, and suddenly we're well-covered at right back instead of having a shoehorned winger and a crock as our only proper options.
The money's there to spend. Who cares if there's a "But he's British, so double it" premium to pay?
The money's there to spend. Who cares if there's a "But he's British, so double it" premium to pay?
Why should we only sign players from the Premier League?Because most of the RB options of other PL teams out there are crocks doesn't mean we have to be like them.
Never said we should. I am however saying that he's more than good enough for any top team in the league. But for the sake of it, who is better and available outside of the Premier League? I'm not convinced by Darmian and can't see Carvajal moving from Real Madrid despite Danilo coming in.
Clyne fits the bill of being good enough to improve us and young enough to be a long-term investment. The fact that he's home-grown doesn't hurt either. It makes sense to go for him.
Clyne fits the bill of being good enough to improve us and young enough to be a long-term investment. The fact that he's home-grown doesn't hurt either. It makes sense to go for him.
If we were linked with Coleman or Darmian for months people would be moaning about them. I have no idea why but, there is not a lot of quality RBs available right now. I would love us to sign the next Lahm or Alves ut, that player has to actually exist.
yup..would be great if there is a next lahm who is also a dutch..unfortunately..
Much rather Clyne than Coleman.
Fcuk Coleman.
Fcuk Coleman.
That's what we should be looking for. Someone technically great.
Is Clyne a good crosser, chaps?
Azplilicueta wasn't exactly a household name when he signed for Chelsea. Nor was Zabaleta when City got him. I'm sure there are plenty of really good rightbacks around, but they're simply plying their trade under the radar. It's one of those unglamourous positions where there are probably a lot of bargains to be found if you've got the scouts to do it.
Totally agree man. There are some brilliant gems out there in the RB position that go under the radar & never get the attention - "unglamourous" as you say, which is rediculous really. Full-back / Wing-back, is a key position for defending & attacking, and every top team has quality there.
That Darmian fella looks decent too (plays all over the place though, left & right side - very attack-minded), but i trust the club if they're making early moves for Clyne, that they've identified their man at RB. We've still been linked with Alves too, mind you.
Clyne wouldnt need alot of pampering to settle in Manchester or at the club either & Shaw's with us too to aid the quick transition process, so that's a double plus.
I've said this before; get rid of sicknote / hot-head / short-fuse / Mr. Rash Tackle i.e. Small Man Syndrome Rafa & bring in Clyne & Alves aswell (Alves is a free agent at the end of this season). Then let him & Clyne fight it out for the RB berth & all the while Clyne will surely learn a helluva lot from him too.
I'd be delighted if we had 2 quality RB's. We pretty much have that on the left-side with Blind & Shaw now, so all we'd need to sort out in defence is CB's, which we need 2 top-class to try & replace Rio & Vida - which we havent done yet.
Rojo will be a massive player for us next season though. He's been hampered by injuries since he arrived - dislocated collar bone being the worst bitch. He's all-action - just like Vida was & thats what we need. Evans will be gone & Jones / Smalling will continue to make massive feck-ups or be out injured for large parts of the season again. Smalling is by far the better of the 2 though & has really come on these past few months. Great to see him make less critical mistakes - but his passing was woeful at times, against Palace though.
McNair aint a United standard CB imo - cant see a CB defender in him tbh. He's still young of course, but I dont even think CB is his position - he cant defend, he's lightweight & panics.
He always wants to run the ball from defence, which is great, but he's a RB at best imo. He's still young though, so he could develop into either positions, but right now - we need solid CB defenders who can play also - not have CB's who can play & not defend.
That means we need, imo; to bring in 2 top class CB's & then we'll have a full compliment of Rojo, Jones & Smalling, plus the 2 others & have cover at CB when any / many of them become crocked, like we've had for feck knows how many seasons in a row now.
Hope we get it sorted this summer, so there's no more friggin whingeing from me on here about it
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I'm not sure who I'd prefer. Really Young has done enough to be deserving to start while Rafael still has to prove himself again. And regardless of what you may think you've seen, theres no good reason why Young cant do just as well on the right as on the left.
He hasnt a patch on Pontius Pilate, if that helps?
Yer damn right though Amol - we need technically great players coming in, but more importantly - that they can do the principles of the job they were signed for & do it it with bravado too.
1st & foremost, i'd rather have a full-back that cant defend brilliantly & is good going forward - than a full-back who's much better at goin forward & has to massively develop his defensive side.
Given the forward talent we have already & with Depay coming in & probably a couple more in attack coming in too (we'll have departures this summer), we need to sign proper defenders & not wannabe attackers..
Every cnuts obsessed with him cos he scores 5 goals a season.
He would cost a fortune also.
Do not want.
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