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No issue with the move for Clyne. He's been a key part of the most solid defence in the league, and earlier in the season his movement going forward was a key part of So'ton being able to open up teams. I don't think he'll ever be your Dani Alves where he's a key source of assists.

We could do a lot lot lot worse than Clyne and Shaw though, but at a combined £50m, I can see why people would be skeptical. Naturally, full backs are meant to be the peasants of the squad.
 
If we must sign a new rb this year then I think Clyne would be a sensible option. He's PL proven, British, has had 2 great seasons and is still young. However do we even know Rafael's current situation within the squad? Van Gaal seemed pretty gutted that he was out for the season and described him earlier on in the season as as having a fantastic mentality and unbelievable. He seems to rate him. I know he is rash at times but he is excellent going forward. He's also one of few players who are extremely passionate about United. A rarity among foreign players imo. A solid pre season behind him would do him the world of good. We are also now a possession based team so opportunities for him to be rash could be reduced and we could make more use of his talents on the ball.
 
If we must sign a new rb this year then I think Clyne would be a sensible option. He's PL proven, British, has had 2 great seasons and is still young. However do we even know Rafael's current situation within the squad? Van Gaal seemed pretty gutted that he was out for the season and described him earlier on in the season as as having a fantastic mentality and unbelievable. He seems to rate him. I know he is rash at times but he is excellent going forward. He's also one of few players who are extremely passionate about United. A rarity among foreign players imo. A solid pre season behind him would do him the world of good. We are also now a possession based team so opportunities for him to be rash could be reduced and we could make more use of his talents on the ball.

Rafael kept himself fit for a few months before his latest rib injury and LvG still preffered Valencia over him, nobody knows for certain, but most of us can feel it in our bones that LvG would prefer Valencia in the role because he follows "the philosophy" more-so than a swashbuckling type like Rafael.
I hope for Rafael's sake that the situation could yet still be as positive as you word it, but it wouldnt be a stretch to imagine come this summer believe that his United career is almost done.

As for the Clyne thing, I've only sat down to watch him and Southamption about 6x over the last couple years, didnt really stand out, didnt do anything wrong either, other than a fairly crappy half for England vs Italy.
 
Rafael was fit for a few months before his latest rib injury and LvG still preffered Valencia over him, nobody knows for certain, but most of us can feel it in our bones that LvG would prefer Valencia in the role because he follows "the philosophy" more-so than a swashbuckling type like Rafael.
I hope for Rafael's sake that the situation could yet still be as positive as you word it, but it wouldnt be a stretch to imagine come this summer believe that his United career is almost done.

As for the Clyne thing, I've only sat down to watch him and Southamption about 6x over the last couple years, didnt really stand out, didnt do anything wrong either, other than a fairly crappy half for England vs Italy.

Sadly it does seem Rafael may be coming to the end. The only reason I can think Valencia kept him out for a while is exactly the reason you said. He does play to the Van Gaal philosophy and did have a good run of games. He has however been suspect in quite a few games recently. Its a shame that Rafael was unable to make his way back into the team due to his unfortunate injures. I think he's had a broken cheek and broken ribs this year. Terribly unlucky.
 
Who in the Premier League is a better allround right back at the moment? Ivanovic and Zabaleta, but after that it's a close race. There isn't exactly a wealth of high-quality young fullbacks at the moment. Clyne would well for us. Better defensively than Valencia and can actually complete a game, unlike Rafael. Starting line-up improved, and suddenly we're well-covered at right back instead of having a shoehorned winger and a crock as our only proper options.

The money's there to spend. Who cares if there's a "But he's British, so double it" premium to pay?
Why we should sign only from EPL? Do you think that Clyne can ever become as good as Ivanovic, Zabaleta or other RB from the past (Neville, Ferreira etc)? If the answer is no (for me it is) then it is a pointless signing and in a couple of years we will be facing again the same problem (upgrading that position).

For me it should be either a short term solution who is good enough as any RB in the league (Alves for example), or someone who is as good as Zabaleta/Ivanovic (hard to find one) or someone who can become a World Class player in the future (what we did with LB position). I think that Clyne isn't near any of these categories. He'll be the man who can do a job and his performances will be slightly better than those from Valencia.
 
In the end we just have to trust in LVG, and his judgement.

For what its worth a think Clyne would be a 'solid' player who is already accustomed to the league and who wouldn't cost a fortune. I don't think we will consistently beat Barca/Real/Bayern with 11 players of Clynes quality, but until our scouts can find another unknown gem (ala Vidic) he can do a job.
 
In the end we just have to trust in LVG, and his judgement.

For what its worth a think Clyne would be a 'solid' player who is already accustomed to the league and who wouldn't cost a fortune. I don't think we will consistently beat Barca/Real/Bayern with 11 players of Clynes quality, but until our scouts can find another unknown gem (ala Vidic) he can do a job.

The issue is its about building a team, not having a team full of stars. I think you're spot on about trusting his Judgment, especially since he's now had a season in this league and fully assessed what he walready has. Van Gaal will evidently have watched a lot of him (or had him watched by those he trusts) and thinks he's a player who can play regularly, hit the ground running and has a lot of potential to improve.

I'm not sure what people expect from a full back. He's solid in defence, plays consistently and looks decent going forward. We need solidity at the back and a chance for some players to get to know each other.
 
:lol: Looks like you have not seen much, if any, of Carvajal.

You haven't understand his comment. He is basically saying we can just settle with Clyne because Carvajal won't be available at all. And no, they didn't sign Danilo to replace him, he was bought to be their second RB as Arbeloa replacement. And before the "But they paid so much for him" comments arrive, they did the same with Coentrao too, it's Real, they have no problem to spend 30 million and more on squad players, they don't rate Illaramendi at all and paid a insane fee for him.

The issue is its about building a team, not having a team full of stars. I think you're spot on about trusting his Judgment, especially since he's now had a season in this league and fully assessed what he walready has. Van Gaal will evidently have watched a lot of him (or had him watched by those he trusts) and thinks he's a player who can play regularly, hit the ground running and has a lot of potential to improve.

I'm not sure what people expect from a full back. He's solid in defence, plays consistently and looks decent going forward. We need solidity at the back and a chance for some players to get to know each other.

Exactly, I don't know what people expect either. I also don't think we need to sign a 40-50 million player on that position or otherwise just stick with Valencia. We need a better defender than Valencia and a more reliable one than Rafael and Clyne fits the bill and can still improve further. I don't see a available Cafu, Lahm sort of player and we will save the big money for CB and midfield, where the gap in quality between a 20 million or a 40 milion signing will and can be more important for us.
 
The thing is we will be relying on the fullbacks to overlap and deliver crosses into the box with the use of inverted wingers, I am just not sure Clyne has enough skill in this regard and tends to have loose ball control in good positions. To me people keep throwing up the foreigner snark but in the case of Clyne you can conversely argue we wouldn't be interested if he was English.

I like the idea of crosses into the box but it looks like LvG will go with one up top Rooney. I'm pretty sure Depay, DI Maria (if he stays), Shaw and Clyne would be enough. We hardly have the days of a Ruud or Yorkie getting on the end of cross after cross. Ronaldo was so good it was like he got on the end of his own crosses!
I think with a solid midfield (which surely will be rectified this summer) we will have less space for Fellaini in my opinion and we are not really a team that scores a lot from crosses in open play. I think unless we get a target man and play Rooney off him I'm not sure we need our full backs to be the best crosses of the ball as long as they can defend. Again this is just my opinion and yes there may be better right backs out there that we can easily get for the same amount who are technically better attackers than Clyne..I just cant think of any that I have seen enough of to judge be that foreign or English. Whatever happens I do think we need a better right back than Valencia.
 
I don't mind Clyne makes sense as young english player that showed potential at RB for soton and only has 1 year left on his contract.

But £18m is madness, utter madness. I'd give them £10m at most and that is as a final take it or leave it offer after having your first 2 bids rejected !

For peole that think there aren't alternatives in the market. Thomas Meunier is very good rightback that is a star player in Belgium he will not cost any more than £8m at most and I guarantee he can do the same or more than Clyne but he just isn't english. Montoya will leave Barcelona you can also get him for probably £5m -£8m. Alves might leave Barcelona and he'd be a free signing. Hell I'am even sure Darmian won't cost more than £18m and than there is that Fabinho. Who cares Barcelona is interested they aren't allowed to do transfers this summer, we could atleast make an offer.

People that really think Clyne is the only available rightback in the world that has got the potential to play for a club like United this summer just haven't got a clue about what sort of players are out there and what their value is.

Clyne for £18m is a rip off just like Shaw for £30m has been the scam of the centuary ! Fecking ridiculous if we'd signed him we have spend £50m on two average fullbacks at best. There are teams in good competitions that can be competitive with us on the field whose entire team would have cost less than those fullbacks ! It is madness, £50m is what pay for a top top top striker that can win you the league and make you competitive with the big boys in the CL. Not for two stunteling teenagers for whom half of our fanbase will have to make the excuse that they aren't ready yet and too much is expected at their young fragile age. Shaw and Clyne are fecking kids and not with the potential to be the next Alaba, Lahm or Alves either. But I guess they are worth paying 3 times the going rate for because they are fecking english !

This part of our transfer business really discusts me !

Iam fine with english players but they shouldn't cost a penny more just for the sake of being english !
 
It seems I have stumbled on to accountantcafe.net again. Why do people get so hung up on the transfer fees. The player can either help the club or not. You do not get extra points for signing players on the cheap.
 
Iam fine with english players but they shouldn't cost a penny more just for the sake of being english !

English players are far more likely to remain at the club long-term than foreign players so that understandably increases their value.
 
It seems I have stumbled on to accountantcafe.net again. Why do people get so hung up on the transfer fees. The player can either help the club or not. You do not get extra points for signing players on the cheap.

If we took out the financial aspect completely then Clyne is...well...a truly average signing.


Never said we should. I am however saying that he's more than good enough for any top team in the league. But for the sake of it, who is better and available outside of the Premier League? I'm not convinced by Darmian and can't see Carvajal moving from Real Madrid despite Danilo coming in.

Clyne fits the bill of being good enough to improve us and young enough to be a long-term investment. The fact that he's home-grown doesn't hurt either. It makes sense to go for him.

I'm really sick of that young and long-term investment argument tbh.The chap is 24,1 year older than Phil Bloody Jones that many caftards wrote off as a player.At this age you're either good enough or you're not.There are younger full backs around.

Basically the only thing that matter is whether he is good enough to be the number 1 right back for a club of Manchester United's size.In my honest option I don't think he is.
 
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English players are far more likely to remain at the club long-term than foreign players so that understandably increases their value.

Maybe so but, they mostly cost more because English clubs are the richest in the World so they can hold out for more money. It even exists for non English players who play for English clubs see how much Real paid for Bale and how much PSG paid for David Luiz.
 
I like the idea of crosses into the box but it looks like LvG will go with one up top Rooney. I'm pretty sure Depay, DI Maria (if he stays), Shaw and Clyne would be enough. We hardly have the days of a Ruud or Yorkie getting on the end of cross after cross. Ronaldo was so good it was like he got on the end of his own crosses!
I think with a solid midfield (which surely will be rectified this summer) we will have less space for Fellaini in my opinion and we are not really a team that scores a lot from crosses in open play. I think unless we get a target man and play Rooney off him I'm not sure we need our full backs to be the best crosses of the ball as long as they can defend. Again this is just my opinion and yes there may be better right backs out there that we can easily get for the same amount who are technically better attackers than Clyne..I just cant think of any that I have seen enough of to judge be that foreign or English. Whatever happens I do think we need a better right back than Valencia.

I was actually meaning those low cutback type of crosses like Blind and Shaw have been putting in, picking out runners and movement as opposed to being high balls for a big #9 to compete for. Truth is though regardless of views it seems almost certain we are going to buy Clyne, I genuinely believe we'll be looking to upgrade in a year or two if we do but hopefully he manages to improve a lot under LvG.
 
I don't mind Clyne makes sense as young english player that showed potential at RB for soton and only has 1 year left on his contract.

But £18m is madness, utter madness. I'd give them £10m at most and that is as a final take it or leave it offer after having your first 2 bids rejected !

For peole that think there aren't alternatives in the market. Thomas Meunier is very good rightback that is a star player in Belgium he will not cost any more than £8m at most and I guarantee he can do the same or more than Clyne but he just isn't english. Montoya will leave Barcelona you can also get him for probably £5m -£8m. Alves might leave Barcelona and he'd be a free signing. Hell I'am even sure Darmian won't cost more than £18m and than there is that Fabinho. Who cares Barcelona is interested they aren't allowed to do transfers this summer, we could atleast make an offer.

People that really think Clyne is the only available rightback in the world that has got the potential to play for a club like United this summer just haven't got a clue about what sort of players are out there and what their value is.

Clyne for £18m is a rip off just like Shaw for £30m has been the scam of the centuary ! Fecking ridiculous if we'd signed him we have spend £50m on two average fullbacks at best. There are teams in good competitions that can be competitive with us on the field whose entire team would have cost less than those fullbacks ! It is madness, £50m is what pay for a top top top striker that can win you the league and make you competitive with the big boys in the CL. Not for two stunteling teenagers for whom half of our fanbase will have to make the excuse that they aren't ready yet and too much is expected at their young fragile age. Shaw and Clyne are fecking kids and not with the potential to be the next Alaba, Lahm or Alves either. But I guess they are worth paying 3 times the going rate for because they are fecking english !

This part of our transfer business really discusts me !

Iam fine with english players but they shouldn't cost a penny more just for the sake of being english !

Luke Shaw is arguably the best young fullback in the world. He's taken time to settle this year (as you'd expect with a lad who's still a teenager) but has looked excellent at the back end of the season. If you can't see the quality in him then I'm not sure what you've been watching.

As for Clyne, he's been one of the best young players in the league this year and if this deal comes off then clearly Van Gaal rates him. As a manager who's brought on a few young lads in his timethat's fair enough for me. You don't need superstars in every position, its about building a solid, regular side and I think he's more than capable from what I've seen.

The PL is tough, and expereince is useful. Montoya doesn't look any better than the kid Liverpool have on loan from Athletico and Alves is hitting the age where he's going to go into decline while wanting (if you believe the press) a 3 year deal on mega money. I see no sense in that either. he's got the potential to get old quickly in a much quicker and more physical league.

People seem to want fullbacks who look great going forward but are iffy at the back. That might be fine abroad for big teams who often have the most of the ball most of the tiem and who are putting 5 or 6 past half the teams in the division.
 
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I think a lot of people are under-estimating Clyne. He is a VERY good defender, positionally excellent and is quick. Whilst he may not be an Alves going forward, he is pretty good in that respect.

If anything, I would compare him to a modern-day Gary Neville.

And as for the £18m - if he is signed as first choice RB, there is a fair chance he will be here for 10 years, so he is worth it. Does anything complain about Rio's cost - no, because over the course of 10 years the fee was worth it.
 
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So how good is this kid? I have not watched him much to be honest so if he joins the club is he sure to walk right in the starting lineup? Is he the best English RB at the moment?
 
So how good is this kid? I have not watched him much to be honest so if he joins the club is he sure to walk right in the starting lineup? Is he the best English RB at the moment?
Yes and yes. But neither are that much of an achievement.
 
So how good is this kid? I have not watched him much to be honest so if he joins the club is he sure to walk right in the starting lineup? Is he the best English RB at the moment?

He's a good player, but not a special talent like Shaw, so I wouldn't expect too much. He will walk into our lineup and he is the best English RB.
 
Luke Shaw is arguably the best young fullback in the world. He's taken time to settle this year (as you'd expect with a lad who's still a teenager) but has looked excellent at the back end of the season. If you can't see the quality in him then I'm not sure what you've been watching.

As for Clyne, he's been one of the best young players in the league this year and if this deal comes off then clearly Van Gaal rates him. As a manager who's brought on a few young lads in his timethat's fair enough for me. You don't need superstars in every position, its about building a solid, regular side and I think he's more than capable from what I've seen.

The PL is tough, and expereince is useful. Montoya doesn't look any better than the kid Liverpool have on loan from Athletico and Alves is hitting the age where he's going to go into decline while wanting (if you believe the press) a 3 year deal on mega money. I see no sense in that either. he's got the potential to get old quickly in a much quicker and more physical league.

People seem to want fullbacks who look great going forward but are iffy at the back. That might be fine abroad for big teams who often have the most of the ball most of the tiem and who are putting 5 or 6 past half the teams in the division.

Not by a long shot !

First of all it seems like he is made out of glass as he has been more injured than not this season.
Second he has been left out of the team by the coach on a number of occasion for questions mark about his general fitness (I remember in the summer he arrived with more than a few pounds overweight)
Third the few times that he has played he has been average at best. He seems to be a passenger with no impact or personality at all on the pitch.

It is not for nothing that he has been often replaced in the team by Blind and Rojo and if the latter would have been fit or Blind would not have been required to cover for Carrick it is likely he wouldn't have even played those last few games of the season.

Now I know he is young and he needs time to settle in and he has been more than unfortunate with all these injuries. But this is a player we paid £30m for !
There are many fullbacks in the game that have cost far less than £30m and have been far better than Shaw.

This is not a dig towards Shaw as he has nothing to do with how much we paid for him. It is a dig at the people doing our transfer business. I expect much much more from a £30m signing than what I have seen this year. And if we first need to invest 2 or 3 seasons in him before we start to get any sort of performances that could warrant such a big fee than my criticism is justified because you don't spend £30m on fullback talent (maybay you do on a midfielder or an attacker but not on a fullback !) you spend it on an established player. Part of the argumentation last year was that Shaw would be worth it because despite his young age and massive growth potential there was already a very solid player there that could be regarded as the best leftback in the PL that he would have little problems adjusting to the level of a top club. On top of that people said he looked physically solid, never injured, good fitness, very reliable. The idea was we'd get a very good reliable leftback that would stand there immediately to take over from Evra with the potential to become one of the absolutle best leftbacks in the game. And we'd have him for many years to come and he was English. All of that justified the insane price tag. I saw nothing of that all in his entire first season here with us.

We have let Soton take us to the cleaners over Shaw. And if we going to pay £18m for Clyne we will be letting them doing it again.

Sometimes I wonder if certain people realize how much money £30m is...I do than I look at Shaw and the only thing that goes through my mind is that he is simply not worth it and probably never will be worth it.
 
Not by a long shot !

First of all it seems like he is made out of glass as he has been more injured than not this season.
Second he has been left out of the team by the coach on a number of occasion for questions mark about his general fitness (I remember in the summer he arrived with more than a few pounds overweight)
Third the few times that he has played he has been average at best. He seems to be a passenger with no impact or personality at all on the pitch.

It is not for nothing that he has been often replaced in the team by Blind and Rojo and if the latter would have been fit or Blind would not have been required to cover for Carrick it is likely he wouldn't have even played those last few games of the season.

Now I know he is young and he needs time to settle in and he has been more than unfortunate with all these injuries. But this is a player we paid £30m for !
There are many fullbacks in the game that have cost far less than £30m and have been far better than Shaw.

This is not a dig towards Shaw as he has nothing to do with how much we paid for him. It is a dig at the people doing our transfer business. I expect much much more from a £30m signing than what I have seen this year. And if we first need to invest 2 or 3 seasons in him before we start to get any sort of performances that could warrant such a big fee than my criticism is justified because you don't spend £30m on fullback talent (maybay you do on a midfielder or an attacker but not on a fullback !) you spend it on an established player. Part of the argumentation last year was that Shaw would be worth it because despite his young age and massive growth potential there was already a very solid player there that could be regarded as the best leftback in the PL that he would have little problems adjusting to the level of a top club. On top of that people said he looked physically solid, never injured, good fitness, very reliable. The idea was we'd get a very good reliable leftback that would stand there immediately to take over from Evra with the potential to become one of the absolutle best leftbacks in the game. And we'd have him for many years to come and he was English. All of that justified the insane price tag. I saw nothing of that all in his entire first season here with us.

We have let Soton take us to the cleaners over Shaw. And if we going to pay £18m for Clyne we will be letting them doing it again.

Sometimes I wonder if certain people realize how much money £30m is...I do than I look at Shaw and the only thing that goes through my mind is that he is simply not worth it and probably never will be worth it.

Yeah but despite his injuries and fitness issues Shaw always looked very promising when he was on the pitch. I am pretty sure he will become the best LB worldwide within the next 2 years.

Clyne might not be in the same category but if Rafa leaves I do not see many great alternatives. I thought Valencia might be the answer for a while but that was wrong.
 
It seems I have stumbled on to accountantcafe.net again. Why do people get so hung up on the transfer fees. The player can either help the club or not. You do not get extra points for signing players on the cheap.

I don't like Manchester United wasting money on players that aren't worth it.

You are right either a player can help the club or not and the number crunching is for our accounts. But there are always alternatives to players and it just make sense to chose the alternative that has the best value for money. Because like it or not every £ spend on a player is a £ less to spend on other areas. Unless United can at one point say money is never an issue if we want a player we pay any transfer price that is required without thinking twice about it and same with offering wages. But I don't think that will ever be the case for any club. United is a football club but it also is an organization and money remains a scarcity that has to be properly invested. There won't be £200m budgets every year to spend on players ! if you spend use your head and don't just throw insane amounts of money at anything that could be a transfer target...
 
English players are far more likely to remain at the club long-term than foreign players so that understandably increases their value.

Sadly this...

Pique went back to Spain and we are looking at DDG also going back. Long term I understand now, much more clearly than before, why English players cost a few pence more.
 
Anyone thinks Shaw's average, please find a different hobby. You're wasting your time with this sport. There's plenty of other hobbies which might be a better fit for you.
 
Not by a long shot !

First of all it seems like he is made out of glass as he has been more injured than not this season.
Second he has been left out of the team by the coach on a number of occasion for questions mark about his general fitness (I remember in the summer he arrived with more than a few pounds overweight)
Third the few times that he has played he has been average at best. He seems to be a passenger with no impact or personality at all on the pitch.

It is not for nothing that he has been often replaced in the team by Blind and Rojo and if the latter would have been fit or Blind would not have been required to cover for Carrick it is likely he wouldn't have even played those last few games of the season.

Now I know he is young and he needs time to settle in and he has been more than unfortunate with all these injuries. But this is a player we paid £30m for !
There are many fullbacks in the game that have cost far less than £30m and have been far better than Shaw.

This is not a dig towards Shaw as he has nothing to do with how much we paid for him. It is a dig at the people doing our transfer business. I expect much much more from a £30m signing than what I have seen this year. And if we first need to invest 2 or 3 seasons in him before we start to get any sort of performances that could warrant such a big fee than my criticism is justified because you don't spend £30m on fullback talent (maybay you do on a midfielder or an attacker but not on a fullback !) you spend it on an established player. Part of the argumentation last year was that Shaw would be worth it because despite his young age and massive growth potential there was already a very solid player there that could be regarded as the best leftback in the PL that he would have little problems adjusting to the level of a top club. On top of that people said he looked physically solid, never injured, good fitness, very reliable. The idea was we'd get a very good reliable leftback that would stand there immediately to take over from Evra with the potential to become one of the absolutle best leftbacks in the game. And we'd have him for many years to come and he was English. All of that justified the insane price tag. I saw nothing of that all in his entire first season here with us.

We have let Soton take us to the cleaners over Shaw. And if we going to pay £18m for Clyne we will be letting them doing it again.

Sometimes I wonder if certain people realize how much money £30m is...I do than I look at Shaw and the only thing that goes through my mind is that he is simply not worth it and probably never will be worth it.

I disagree entirely. Very few players, at his age can come into the Premier League and perform to the level he did for Southampton. That is why a lot of people in the game rate him very highly and believe he's going to be one of England's best ever fullbacks. We've seen glimpses of it this year but moving on a big side under expecation of a huge fee is hard, especially when you're little more than a child.

Obviously £30 million is a lot of money. The fact is he's likely to play for United for at least 10 years (£3 million a year plus wages) and potentially 15 years. As with Rio Ferdiand (a world record fee for a defender at the time) he may prove to be sensible and worthwhile aquisition to have quality at left back for the forseeable future. Even in the event that he leaves its likely he would do so for a large fee, potentially in excess of what he costs with the way fees in football increase rapidly.

Its also the case that a chunk of that fee (if its actually correct rather than paper speculation) is, as with 99% of transfers, likely to be linked to performances and/or progression.

Buying a player for that sort of money is always a risk. The level of ability he's shown and his young age make it less of a risk than other players. Chelsea paid a significant chucnk for Felipe from Athletico (as an example) and he's ten years older.

The fact is players cost what they cost. Other top sides would have taken him at that fee. If you're going to moan about what young players cost then don't be surprised to see all the best talent go to rival clubs. As it is if the player makes sense in the short, medium and long term, for me it sensible to buy those kind of players rather than waste money on a scattergun approach and bring in a new player for a position every two to three seasons with all the hassle that goes along with it.
 
Anyone thinks Shaw's average, please find a different hobby. You're wasting your time with this sport. There's plenty of other hobbies which might be a better fit for you.

Spot on. I genuinely wonder whether some people actually watch the game.
 
So how good is this kid? I have not watched him much to be honest so if he joins the club is he sure to walk right in the starting lineup? Is he the best English RB at the moment?

He is decent but I doubt we will ever see him hit the peaks of Rafael in 2012/13. In fact if he signed I would expect there to still be many campaigning that Rafael should get in the starting XI ahead of him.

He is the best English right back but that's not too much of a compliment when your nearest competition as far as the national squad goes is Kyle Walker
 
He is decent but I doubt we will ever see him hit the peaks of Rafael in 2012/13. In fact if he signed I would expect there to still be many campaigning that Rafael should get in the starting XI ahead of him.

He is the best English right back but that's not too much of a compliment when your nearest competition as far as the national squad goes is Kyle Walker

Jesus hes not better than Rafael? Would you rather have Alves for example or who is a better option atm?
 
He is decent but I doubt we will ever see him hit the peaks of Rafael in 2012/13. In fact if he signed I would expect there to still be many campaigning that Rafael should get in the starting XI ahead of him.

He is the best English right back but that's not too much of a compliment when your nearest competition as far as the national squad goes is Kyle Walker
I doubt that as Rafael won't be here next season.
 
Jesus hes not better than Rafael? Would you rather have Alves for example or who is a better option atm?

Rafael at his best? Not even close in my opinion. What he does have though is the ability to stay fit so there would be an improvement in that area, getting a consistent back 4 playing is so important - see Chelsea this season.

If Alves was available we would be stupid not to bring him in IMO, not quite what he was a few years ago but still a top player. Think that one is a bit of a dream though

I doubt that as Rafael won't be here next season.

Agreed unfortunately - I should have said "if Rafael is still here" before that statement.
 
He is decent but I doubt we will ever see him hit the peaks of Rafael in 2012/13. In fact if he signed I would expect there to still be many campaigning that Rafael should get in the starting XI ahead of him.

He is the best English right back but that's not too much of a compliment when your nearest competition as far as the national squad goes is Kyle Walker

Rafael is a liability at the back and can't be relied up to stay fit. On that basis I'd be surprised if he's still her next year.

Whether he's England's best right back isn't relevant - but the fact that he's been consistently one of the best in the PL this year is. On that basis I see no need to write a player off before he's been given a chance.

Not all players at top clubs need to be superstars, its the balance of creating a team that matters. We've got a history of bringing in players from other PL clubs who've done well - especially in Fergie's early years when they formed the nucleus of a very good side. He looks like a player who deserves a shot at the top level and I'd personally take a young, hungry player with plenty of PL experience than a flavour of the month foreign player, or worse, a Dani Alves who's looking for one last big payday before he packs in.
 
Rafael is a liability at the back and can't be relied up to stay fit. On that basis I'd be surprised if he's still her next year.

When I read posts like this I feel like we are back in 2009, there is very little wrong with his defensive game. Agreed that he is a liability at keeping fit. Also agreed that I would be surprised if he was here next season, which I think is a big shame.

Whether he's England's best right back isn't relevant - but the fact that he's been consistently one of the best in the PL this year is. On that basis I see no need to write a player off before he's been given a chance.

Not all players at top clubs need to be superstars, its the balance of creating a team that matters. We've got a history of bringing in players from other PL clubs who've done well - especially in Fergie's early years when they formed the nucleus of a very good side. He looks like a player who deserves a shot at the top level and I'd personally take a young, hungry player with plenty of PL experience than a flavour of the month foreign player, or worse, a Dani Alves who's looking for one last big payday before he packs in.

As I say, he is decent - I rate Clyne and wouldn't be disappointed if we signed him because I am fed up watching a right midfielder play there at the moment. I didn't write him off, I was just responding to a question asking how good he was - which in my opinion is nowhere near Rafael at his peak let alone Dani Alves.
 
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