Rafael is not a crock.
Nathaniel Clyne | Signed for Liverpool
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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One thing I would say with regards to Clyne, having Shaw, Clyne and Smalling (not to mention Jones, if he stops being injured ten times a year) in the same back line would be good. I rate Coleman as the better player, but would be happy with either so long as it means less Valencia at RB.
The fullback position shouldn't be treat as a lesser role, Evra was a huge part of our 3 back to back titles and CL win and in modern football having top fullbacks is important to both ends of the pitch.
Darmian would excite me and i would take him instead of Clyne. Clyne just screams of averageness and English quota.
It wasnt his prime if Danny Mills was being picked over him.
Sometimes England doesn't have a quality right back, then we have players like Clyne. A fairly good player but unlikely to ever get to the level of a Zabaleta, Ivanovic and so on
My problem with Clyne isn't even his actual quality, he's probably good enough given the few alternatives about.
I'm just not that gone on the idea of signing an all rounder rather than an specialist attacking fullback. I'm not exactly overawed by the threat Shaw/Blind pose on the left so it would have been nice to bring in dangerous attacking threat on the right, especially if we're going to have someone like Mata cutting in off that flank. As someone else said in this thread, we need an Alves more than we need a Lahm.
Still, if we get Clyne wrapped up quickly and at a decent price then he'll likely be fine.
I'm just not that gone on the idea of signing an all rounder rather than an specialist attacking fullback. I'm not exactly overawed by the threat Shaw/Blind pose on the left so it would have been nice to bring in dangerous attacking threat on the right, especially if we're going to have someone like Mata cutting in off that flank. As someone else said in this thread, we need an Alves more than we need a Lahm.
Still, if we get Clyne wrapped up quickly and at a decent price then he'll likely be fine.
Our next signing IMO. Looks inevitable as we're certain to sign a new right back this summer and haven't really been linked with anyone else. Let's hope we don't overpay for him.
Exactly, if he wasn't English I doubt us or any of the other sides being linked would be interested.
This 100%. People keep saying how we should be looking elsewhere but what better alternatives are there? Of the RB's that are actually available he is probably the best around.
Whats actually wrong with Clyne? I hear all these other being named but unless it's Lahm i don't see how they are soo much better.
I'd take pretty much anyone if it meant we didn't have to see one more game of watching Valencia running at full speed only to stop, turn back and pass to Herrera.
I mean if we end up signing him.......LVG surely sees something in him. Some feel he's not good enough, LVG may not even be interested which means it doesn't matter.
I expect Clyne to be the next one brought in, shortly after the end of the season.
Can't we sign Clyne and give his legs to Rafael?
Mills was only playing because Neville was injured before the World Cup in 2002
Given how poor Valencia is at RB, I don't care who we get, as long as they can defend in that position and don't give away needless possession and silly balls.
It's a joke how poor the club is in this position.
Clyne would be a great buy.
It's a joke how poor the club is in this position.
Clyne would be a great buy.
Clyne is one of the few English players, available to us, that can truly improve us and with the new rules coming in signing him makes sense. At the very least the RB position will not be the defensive and offensive weak link it is now, I'm all for it.
I think Clyne would be a great signing. He is strong, fast, good defender, good cross, more intelligent than Valencia. As a fullback, there isnt really much more you would want to be honest. I think he would prove to be a real steadie eddie for us who will give us a 7out of 10 performance each week.
Zabaleta was unremarkable at Clyne's age. Ivanovic too actually. He couldn't get in Chelsea's team for a good while after he signed.
Clyne at that price would represent good business now and in years to come.
Also looking at long term I would consider Dominic Iorfa at Wolves. Broke into the first team this season with great potential. An exciting right back who will turn 20 this summer.
Also looking at long term I would consider Dominic Iorfa at Wolves. Broke into the first team this season with great potential. An exciting right back who will turn 20 this summer.
He's very average. Everything about his game is average. Darmian would be so much better than him and most likely at a similar price tag.
I can't say I've seen much of Southampton this season but I watched clyne in the recent England internationals and his distribution was poor .
Would you buy Rooney if you watched him for England at any time in the last five years?
Not just his distribution, he's also very prone to making silly errors. The difference between him and Valencia at right back would be minimal, we would just be 18m poorer.
Quoted you here from the Twiter thread (cause otherwise Raoul will kill us):
I was thinking the same for Alves, but then some of his last performances (when it matters) have been top notch, like Alves of old. Evra is playing brilliant for Juve too, I guess he was caught of position more because our defense was so unsynchronized rather than because of his actual ability. He's doing far better in a good defense now. Alves would be a temporary solution, but if he gives us only 2 good years then it will be worth it and until then we can find a more long term solution.
Good observation for Rafael, but to be fair, he had trouble with injuries before Fabio left too. The only injury free time he had here was 2012-2013 (when he was a beast) and the first half of 2010-2011 season (when he was excellent too). He (together with Hernandez and now De Gea) have been my fvorit player since Ronaldo left, but I think that we need a break. It is quite pointless to count on him and then be forced to play Valencia who is absolutely shit.
Anyway, Clyne would tick some boxes and be an upgrade, but I can't see him as a long term solution. Rafael at his best was better, so was Heinze. And lets not even talk for Neville, Evra and Irwin. Basically, every natural starting full back we have had in the last 20 years has been better than him.
I was thinking the same for Alves, but then some of his last performances (when it matters) have been top notch, like Alves of old. Evra is playing brilliant for Juve too, I guess he was caught of position more because our defense was so unsynchronized rather than because of his actual ability. He's doing far better in a good defense now. Alves would be a temporary solution, but if he gives us only 2 good years then it will be worth it and until then we can find a more long term solution.
Good observation for Rafael, but to be fair, he had trouble with injuries before Fabio left too. The only injury free time he had here was 2012-2013 (when he was a beast) and the first half of 2010-2011 season (when he was excellent too). He (together with Hernandez and now De Gea) have been my fvorit player since Ronaldo left, but I think that we need a break. It is quite pointless to count on him and then be forced to play Valencia who is absolutely shit.
Anyway, Clyne would tick some boxes and be an upgrade, but I can't see him as a long term solution. Rafael at his best was better, so was Heinze. And lets not even talk for Neville, Evra and Irwin. Basically, every natural starting full back we have had in the last 20 years has been better than him.
Well, with current exchange rate, Torino would probably sell us half of their team for 18m pounds (25m euros). Darmian is better than Clyne in every aspect, agree. Coleman is probably even better though.
@Lawman , to not pollide the Twiter thread, read the two posts above.
Agreed 100%. Coleman is a really good player but I think Darmian is a bit better on the attacking front and has more pace. On the other hand Clyne is.
I don't get this obsession with signing English players like Clyne and Barkley when they're just bang on average.I think Rafael is a great guy with a good attitude but the bias some people have towards him is just bizarre, I see every single one of our defenders gets tons of grief from fans while Rafael seems to become better & better just sitting in the physio room
Agree with the comments about Clyne being average. When i watched him this season, he was in trouble every time defensively. The last time i watched him against Tottenham, i ddint notice him for large periods, but when he appeared, he was swimming defensively. He wouldnt be an upgrade on Valencia. I stand by my comment that we buy him because he is young and English. He isnt even that fast. 18m thrown out of the window. Darmian for that money is a far superior player and more experienced/further in his development. Add a bit more money and Coleman would be also a better option. Clyne would be ok for a squad place, but not for the starting spot. Dont understand this transfer.
Only United can buy an average fullback with 1 year left on his contract for £18m.
In the meantime we let a player like Cleverley leave on a free, when in the same situation he would have fetched around the same amount for Saints or any other club.
Rafael & Valencia are both better than him.
In the meantime we let a player like Cleverley leave on a free, when in the same situation he would have fetched around the same amount for Saints or any other club.
Rafael & Valencia are both better than him.
We should really look for a top quality right back instead of another experiment
He's better than Valencia and not made from glass like Rafael, so in that sense he would improve us. Who we could realistically buy and would be much better than him I'm not sure. Coleman's got weaknesses defensively, IMO.
I hope we sign Clyne for a couple of reasons, one being that he would be a serious upgrade on our right back options and he's done enough to prove himself for me, two being that we need to keep bringing in English talent if not producing our own. I hate the thought of a United team with only one or two English players like City, Arsenal, and Chelsea.
Exactly this! People on here make him sound like he's some sort of world beater. Don't get me wrong he's been a loyal servant to the club but he's of no use to us injured all the time. Even when he is fit van Gaal clearly doesn't rate him and he has the privilege of seeing him in training every day so I trust his judgement.
I haven't watched a lot of Clyne but when I have watched him I have never seen anything that has made me think he is United standard. What is with these Southampton players having 1 decent season and then suddenly they get this massive reputation for being a great player. If we sign him I hope I am proved wrong but I don't think he is that good I would rather us look elsewhere but it looks like a done deal.
If Clyne is good enough then I 100% agree with this. However, I haven't really seen him play so I'll take your word for it!
No issues with signing Clyne. Decent young fullback with plenty of room for improvement. I also like the thought of having another Brit in the squad. With all the money available I think there is a danger of filling the squad with foreign imports and losing the clubs identity.
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