Rafael's done well almost every time he's played this season. What happened at Leicester was just unfortunate.
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Am I the only one want to see Rafael as our RB again?He's been here at the age 18, got homegrown status, was the best RB of EPL at one point, love the club and know we're goons throw him out of the window after one bad season? I know his brain farts too much and can't defend to save his spot in the LvG's team tam but he has the potential.
Not overly keen of signing new RB really.
I would love if Rafael was our RB again but, that ship sailed months ago. It is over for him here. With that in mind we need to get a quality RB. And right now Clyne seems like the best option. Danilo is already at Real and I personally do not think Coleman is good enough defensively for a club like us
Am I the only one want to see Rafael as our RB again?
Not overly keen of signing new RB really.
I think most of us like raf and would have preferred him to stay on but his fitness is atrocious. He is as good as gone.
1) Because he would go on international duty and then on holiday. It's the right decision from Southampton to put pressure on Clyne.
2) You can sign players now.
Coleman isn't a homegrown player. He was 21 when he has joined Everton from Sligo Rovers.
If he wants to wait and see what offers come his way in the summer he simply won't be pressured into signing a new deal, why risk upsetting the player and the feeling towards him amongst the fans at such an important time of the season?
The transfer window isn't open, maybe you can sign free agents or emergency loans but neither of these are likely to have the solution for replacing him.
Nothing has sailed, he will stay, Vaelncia keeping him out with good performances, he's also LVG's favourite, you'll probably see Rafael back against cheslea as LB my guess, depending on how match fit Shaw is..
Coleman is not a bad defender at all , just because he loves going forward and leaves a gap doesn't make him bad defender. I wouldn't mind him here but it's completely pointless with Rafael being arguably on the same level..
Rafael was the best RB in the league just 2 seasons ago until Moyes came in and fecked everything & everyone up. He had few mistakes this season but so did Valencia (FA cup was brutal). If we had to rate him just in this season alone, I would sell Luke Shaw and look for the new toy in the market as well because he's been arguably as bad as Rafael. Yes, Rafael's fitness and defensive liability might be questionable but he's still young, writing him off after few months is just silly, Fergie would never do that, we're not Real Madrid.
If people say LvG doesn't rate Rafael in training session then I might agree that we should sell him but saying Rafael is done for because of that Leicester match is just
...With Rafael we just don't know. He seems the type that would, given the option, get his head down and work if tasked to retrain aspects of his game or accept a lesser role. Maybe that enthusiasm is misplaced and he would just give up like Welbeck, Chich and Nani.. who knows.
Consider that maybe the only reason he is still here is because we never received a suitable offer? I like Rafa as a player but at this stage he looks like second choice next season, at best. We were all saying similar things about Mata before and look at him now, let alone Young and Fellaini who people didn't even like and completely wrote off.
Even if he stays, the fact remains we need a new right back, because as you will recall Rafael can never stay fit anyway.
Consider that maybe the only reason he is still here is because we never received a suitable offer? I like Rafa as a player but at this stage he looks like second choice next season, at best. We were all saying similar things about Mata before and look at him now, let alone Young and Fellaini who people didn't even like and completely wrote off.
Even if he stays, the fact remains we need a new right back, because as you will recall Rafael can never stay fit anyway.
It's just the case that Valencia will dogmatically carry out his instructions whereas Rafael likes to play with a bit of imagination and spontaneity.
I find Rafael a solid player but I also find that we fans have overrated him for quite some time. I'd still prefer he stay and bring in a player like Clyne to keep the pressure on both (i.e. Rafael keeps the pressure on Clyne and vice versa). Clyne can cover the left side as well.
Last year of his contract. Young, English and has shown good talent in a position we are looking to reinforce.
I think this is a near certainty.
I think this is a near certainty.
Wouldnt be the worst deal if we were to send Rafael the other way in order to get either Clyne or Coleman.
I realise these swaps dont often tend to happen but Rafael is proven at a high level - Southampton or Everton could do a lot worse with a replacement RB.
I realise these swaps dont often tend to happen but Rafael is proven at a high level - Southampton or Everton could do a lot worse with a replacement RB.
Supposedly signing a new contract at Southampton in the very near future....
Where did you hear that? No big deal if it's true, I think he has been found out across the season.
Thank feck for that
The difference between Coleman and clyne is that although Coleman is slightly better, he's reached his peak and is unlikely to improve much.
Clyne has the unknown quantity of the potential to be much better than clyne and a number teams seen to believe so
Clyne has the unknown quantity of the potential to be much better than clyne and a number teams seen to believe so
Not a massive loss but it would make you wonder who we're actually intending to sign. This guy seemed like a done deal...
Danilo was my #1 RB choice but madrid got him...I would go for Darmian, he looks like the next big thing for RB.
Having said all that, Clyne would be great for us, we havent had a consistent injury free right back in years.
Rafael at his best is so much better than him.
Of course he would. Next year it will be Rafael's year as it was this year and three years before.
I presume it's based on this
If we're nit signing him, I wonder what we're going to do. Dani Alves, Darmian (or someone else like him) or going into the new season with Valencia and Rafael. The last option doesn't sound very wise.
Read that he's agreed a new contract at Barca
Last option perhaps.It looks obvious to me that the club doesn't rate Clyne like some here does otherwise they would go for him years ago, even for free when he's still with Palace.Him being unproven before is not the reason (when was the last time we bought a "proven RB"?)
Clyne still can improve a bit but he's 24 and will be 25 next season, he will reach his peak soon.He's not 20.
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Clyne said we did try to sign him from Palace but he went to Southampton for game time.
Did he?Either way it's funny to see people treat Clyne and Depay as if they are already United players.They're not, they are just two of our targets and not even 100% sure if they're our targets.
Not many good "proven" RBs available around though (is there even one?Not counting Clyne himself) so I don't think it's a good time to buy one.
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Thank God.
I am not enamored with Clyne but, he seems like the best option when it comes to a new RB. I really hope Rafael stays but, I doubt their is any chance of that. I really hope the answer next season is Valencia/McNair at the RB position.
What's the deal with Alves at Barca? Heard is was available for free. Good option for a couple of years and we can have some young RB from Academy be his understudy.
Heard yesterday he was going to sign a three year deal with Barca.
I want Mcnair at centre back. I think he is better there and if learns to pass and read the game like Carrick, then I can see him playing defensive mid.
If it's not Clyne it will be Coleman.
No way will LvG go into next season with Valencia as first choice right back, given that Rafael seems to be completely out of the picture now.
Coleman/Clyne with McNair as back up, followed by Valencia, that will do nicely.
No way will LvG go into next season with Valencia as first choice right back, given that Rafael seems to be completely out of the picture now.
Coleman/Clyne with McNair as back up, followed by Valencia, that will do nicely.
Yeah, this should be settled quickly one way or another at least.
Nathaniel Clyne has given Saints fresh hope that he could yet sign a new contract with them, by revealing he is happy to stay at the club.
The right-back is approaching the final 12 months of his current deal, with a number of high-profile sides, including Manchester United, said to be seriously interested in him.
Negotiations between Saints and Clyne’s agent began some months ago, but the lack of an agreement to date has fuelled fears that the 24-year-old will end up being sold this summer.
Clyne, however, has at least indicated that he would be happy to remain a Saints player beyond this season.
He told the Daily Echo: “I’m enjoying my football for Southampton, playing week-in, week-out and it’s an up-and-coming club, so, yeah, I’m happy playing for Southampton and happy to stay at Southampton as well.”
Clyne’s comments add weight to those from Saints’ executive director of football,Les Reed, who last week said “the signs are good” that the player would stay with the club.
Saints are clearly keen for a swift resolution, though, with manager Ronald Koemansaying last Thursday that the England international needed to let them know within ten days what he plans to do, adding that the club has made him the maximum offer they can.
Asked about that deadline, Clyne, who has made 101 appearances for Saints since signing from Crystal Palace in 2012, said the matter remained in the hands of his representative.
“My agent is negotiating, so I’ll just leave it with my agent and I’m just going to concentrate on playing my football,” he explained.
While Clyne’s words may provide encouragement, there remains plenty of concern that this will be his last season at St Mary’s.
It remains to be seen what bids, if any, will come in for him this summer, but if a club like United is willing to sign him as their first-choice right-back, with the prospect of regular Champions League football and the additional wages that such a move could entail, it would clearly be a hard one for the player to resist.
Additionally, it is unlikely that Saints would be happy to let Clyne’s value diminish if it becomes clear a new contract will not be agreed, especially as he would still command a large fee even with just a year left on his current deal.
But the defender’s acknowledgment that he would be happy to stay at St Mary’s beyond this summer at least provides some optimism as the end of the season, not to mention negotiations, approaches.
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/12930421.Clyne__I_m_happy_to_stay_at_Southampton/
The right-back is approaching the final 12 months of his current deal, with a number of high-profile sides, including Manchester United, said to be seriously interested in him.
Negotiations between Saints and Clyne’s agent began some months ago, but the lack of an agreement to date has fuelled fears that the 24-year-old will end up being sold this summer.
Clyne, however, has at least indicated that he would be happy to remain a Saints player beyond this season.
He told the Daily Echo: “I’m enjoying my football for Southampton, playing week-in, week-out and it’s an up-and-coming club, so, yeah, I’m happy playing for Southampton and happy to stay at Southampton as well.”
Clyne’s comments add weight to those from Saints’ executive director of football,Les Reed, who last week said “the signs are good” that the player would stay with the club.
Saints are clearly keen for a swift resolution, though, with manager Ronald Koemansaying last Thursday that the England international needed to let them know within ten days what he plans to do, adding that the club has made him the maximum offer they can.
Asked about that deadline, Clyne, who has made 101 appearances for Saints since signing from Crystal Palace in 2012, said the matter remained in the hands of his representative.
“My agent is negotiating, so I’ll just leave it with my agent and I’m just going to concentrate on playing my football,” he explained.
While Clyne’s words may provide encouragement, there remains plenty of concern that this will be his last season at St Mary’s.
It remains to be seen what bids, if any, will come in for him this summer, but if a club like United is willing to sign him as their first-choice right-back, with the prospect of regular Champions League football and the additional wages that such a move could entail, it would clearly be a hard one for the player to resist.
Additionally, it is unlikely that Saints would be happy to let Clyne’s value diminish if it becomes clear a new contract will not be agreed, especially as he would still command a large fee even with just a year left on his current deal.
But the defender’s acknowledgment that he would be happy to stay at St Mary’s beyond this summer at least provides some optimism as the end of the season, not to mention negotiations, approaches.
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/12930421.Clyne__I_m_happy_to_stay_at_Southampton/
Not fussed either with Clyne...if he comes then good, if not then im sure they are better players i.e. Coleman available.
I don't like Rafael but he is still better than Clyne
Sounds like he's just using our name to negotiate a better deal then
Please stay at Southampton, please!
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