Nathaniel Clyne | Signed for Liverpool

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Keeps It tidy said:
That is the thing though Rafael is our only RB yet a RW and a youth team CB are ahead of him in the pecking order. That is a clear sign that Van Gaal does not see a future for him at this club.
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Van Gaal doesn't steer directly a youth team and also will have on his mind a record of previous performances which are not even close from 'let's sell him'. He got few good years under his belt here.

All I need is a confirmed news that Rafael is leaving to rest my case.
 
Van Piorsing said:
Van Gaal doesn't steer directly a youth team and also will have on his mind a record of previous performances which are not even close from 'let's sell him'. He got few good years under his belt here.

All I need is a confirmed news that Rafael is leaving to rest my case.
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I love Rafael. He is my favorite player at the club. But, he has not started a match in months and his contract expires soon. I have just accepted the fact that he is leaving. Van Gaal does not seem to have a spot in the squad for him.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
I love Rafael. He is my favorite player at the club. But, he has not started a match in months and his contract expires soon. I have just accepted the fact that he is leaving. Van Gaal does not seem to have a spot in the squad for him.
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...until the next injury plague will revisit and then we will have a choice between McNair, Jones and Rafael there.

Valencia is playing because he's good and I won't take nothing from his energizing performances but season is not even over.
 
I honestly dont think we need a right back especially Clyne. We have Rafael and Valencia and if need be Jones can cover there since we are for sure going to add another CB this summer. We need worry about getting a winger, a top central midfielder and a top CB. In other words, right back isnt a pressing concern right now.
 
I agree that we do need another right back, but seriously Clyne ? how does he compare with Raphael & Valencia ? I say no real improvement, we are simply moving from a face that fits to one that does'nt, any signings this summer HAVE to be players that simply walk into the first team regardless of cost.......Clyne NO thanks, Coleman maybe.....then look abroad.
 
He seems decent but that's about it... If we were going British or homegrown I'd rather Coleman even if it needed an extra £10m to get him. Shaw is not offering much going forward on the left, having another underwhelming player on the right side is going to make our attack severely limited. Coleman's attacking ability definitely should put him ahead on the shortlist. Otherwise look abroad at Carvajal, unless we're struggling meeting the homegrown quota or will be struggling in the future?
 
Dominos said:
Otherwise look abroad at Carvajal, unless we're struggling meeting the homegrown quota or will be struggling in the future?
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Wrote this elsewhere, but I expect Carvajal to fight for his job at least next year. Madrid have kept both Marcelo and Coentrao for ages now, Carvajal is young and Spanish and they can't sell him to Barcelona.

I guess I could see Pep offering 30 or something for Carvajal to upgrade on Rafinha and the player demanding to leave, but other than that, I don't see him giving up on playing for Real Madrid without a prolonged, multi-year fight.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Mata sat on the bench for a while, Herrera didnt play from december til Feb.

The point is, we dont know whats going on.
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Perhaps, but unlike Mata and Herrera, Rafael has been often ostracised from the matchday squad completely which suggest he's hugely out of favour. There were murmurs last summer that van Gaal wasn't an admirer of his and it just seems very likely that his future lies elsewhere now.
 
Rafael was one in the summer that LvG said could leave from all reports, he's hardly seen the pitch in months, of course nothing is definite, but if you were a betting man, the smart money certainly isn't on Rafael being around much longer.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Mata sat on the bench for a while, Herrera didnt play from december til Feb.

The point is, we dont know whats going on.
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The fact that they've played their way back in is the salient point there though, not that they were dropped in the first place. Rafael hasn't come near displacing Valencia as far as I can see.....
 
Dominos said:
He seems decent but that's about it... If we were going British or homegrown I'd rather Coleman even if it needed an extra £10m to get him. Shaw is not offering much going forward on the left, having another underwhelming player on the right side is going to make our attack severely limited. Coleman's attacking ability definitely should put him ahead on the shortlist.
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Agree. It isn't even about whether Coleman is actually better than Clyne (though I think he is), it's more that his style of play is closer to what I want from whoever we bring in at RB.
 
Wouldnt be surprised if he made the switch to the mighty reds on the summer. Koeman doesn't sound massively positive about keeping him. Hopefully we won't be spurting 30 mil this time though.
 
Dominos said:
He seems decent but that's about it... If we were going British or homegrown I'd rather Coleman even if it needed an extra £10m to get him. Shaw is not offering much going forward on the left, having another underwhelming player on the right side is going to make our attack severely limited. Coleman's attacking ability definitely should put him ahead on the shortlist. Otherwise look abroad at Carvajal, unless we're struggling meeting the homegrown quota or will be struggling in the future?
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Coleman isn't actually homegrown. He's still my preferred signing though.
 
Relem said:
Wouldnt be surprised if he made the switch to the mighty reds on the summer. Koeman doesn't sound massively positive about keeping him. Hopefully we won't be spurting 30 mil this time though.
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He's on the last year of his contract, so unless we're completely crazy, we won't offer more than 15m.
 
There is a real lack of quality defenders about at the moment, which unfortunately coincides with our need for defenders being the highest for years.
 
sullydnl said:
He isn't particularly outstanding in any sense though. Not massively talented, not excellent going forward and not brilliant defensively. Personally, I'd prefer us to go for someone like Coleman who (while having a fair few flaws himself) is at least a real attacking threat. I think we could do with having an attack minded RB, especially with a player like Shaw on the other side.
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You obviously haven't seen much of Clyne. He's great on the ball with dribbling ability too boot. In case you don't want to watch the entire video, look at 10 seconds in, 2 minutes in and the end of the video around 3:38 onwards. Not an attacking threat indeed!

 
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sullydnl said:
The fact that they've played their way back in is the salient point there though, not that they were dropped in the first place. Rafael hasn't come near displacing Valencia as far as I can see.....
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Rafael is still behind McNair in the pecking order never mind Valencia.
 
Loublaze said:
You obviously haven't seen much of Clyne. He's great on the ball with dribbling ability too boot. In case you don't want to watch the entire video, look at 10 seconds in, 2 minutes in and the end of the video around 3:38 onwards. Not an attacking threat indeed!

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I've seen a fair bit of Clyne and more of Coleman. Coleman is more of an attacking threat.
 
Loublaze said:
We're not linked with him at all though. I think Clyne is a shoe-in to join us
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Yep, I'll be amazed if we don't sign Clyne. That doesn't mean Coleman wouldn't be a better fit though. But price, age and nationality are all on Clyne's side so....
 
Cant this rumour just go away? It is nearly as annoying as Cavani. He is average and i dont want him.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Coleman is all blood and thunder. I am not sure why anyone would think that Van Gaal would be interested.
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Well, he is currently playing Valencia at RB. Hardly Mr. Subtle.

Anyway, I don't think he is interested. Clyne is probably as good as done imo.
 
Am I the only one want to see Rafael as our RB again?:(He's been here at the age 18, got homegrown status, was the best RB of EPL at one point, love the club and know we're goons throw him out of the window after one bad season? I know his brain farts too much and can't defend to save his spot in the LvG's team tam but he has the potential.

Not overly keen of signing new RB really.
 
sullydnl said:
Well, he is currently playing Valencia at RB. Hardly Mr. Subtle.

Anyway, I don't think he is interested. Clyne is probably as good as done imo.
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Not that stats can tell you everything but Coleman's tackle and interception stats are very poor this season. Clyne and Valencia, to a lesser extent, are far superior in that regard. I think Coleman's reputation is augmented by the goals that he scores.

I think that Fergie would have been interested in Coleman but Van Gaal wants players that play with their heads, we know that. Clyne certainly fits that mould better than Coleman. Not that I have been impressed with Clyne in an England shirt.
 
I think most of us would prefer Coleman, he'd suit a Sir Alex style of team, I know I certainly like him, plus hes a United fan (Shouldnt make a difference but the romanticism of it), Everton however would charge us an arm and a leg no doubt.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Meh, I'm not too bothered by that. We never have any problems with the homegrown quota anyway.
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We've lost Giggs, Scholes, Fletcher, Rio, Welbeck, Cleverley recently. Not sure if Rafael and Fabio counted but one's gone with the other to follow. We can't be that far above the threshold from what I can remember of the discussions about this from last summer. We will have problems soon enough if we only buy foreign.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Not that stats can tell you everything but Coleman's tackle and interception stats are very poor this season. Clyne and Valencia, to a lesser extent, are far superior in that regard. I think Coleman's reputation is augmented by the goals that he scores.

I think that Fergie would have been interested in Coleman but Van Gaal wants players that play with their heads, we know that. Clyne certainly fits that mould better than Coleman. Not that I have been impressed with Clyne in an England shirt.
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It's only right that goals (and assists) augment Coleman's reputation though. Coleman is (arguably?) the best attacking fullback in the league and we're an attack minded club who already have a fullback on the other side who is less than stellar going forward. Style wise I'd like him as a fit more than a fullback who is better defensively but not as good going forward.

It's less about Clyne v Coleman and more about what I like to see from United fullbacks. I think we could afford to have an all action attacking player at RB, whoever it happens to be.
 
Dominos said:
We've lost Giggs, Scholes, Fletcher, Rio, Welbeck, Cleverley recently. Not sure if Rafael and Fabio counted but one's gone with the other to follow. We can't be that far above the threshold from what I can remember of the discussions about this from last summer. We will have problems soon enough if we only buy foreign.
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Rafael is homegrown, as is Amos who will be leaving but then you add in McNair, Blackett, if Andreas signs a new contract, we can keep Johnstone as third choice keeper. We've more than enough.
 
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