What annoys me is that this smells like another club signing. If we want a new right back, Van Gaal should be choosing him.
Nathaniel Clyne | Signed for Liverpool
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I doubt any player we sign this summer will be a 'club signing'.
I very much doubt van Gaal was against any of the club signings so far. Falcao sadly was a flop but all is good since it's a loan. If the club forced a player upon van Gaal the media would hear about the rage, and it won't be nice.
I see him as a solid, fast, strong, young RB who can also cross. I'd get him.
Shaw is great, all he needs to do is stay fit. Agree about Jones and Clyne though, and I'd rather not buy the latter.
Surely Van Gaal would have none of this. He will bring in who he wants. If he doesnt want Clyne he wont sanction the transfer
Nothing more depressing than seeing Nathaniel Clyne and Danny Ings at the top of the Transfer forum queue.
He's definitely better than Valencia at RB, that doesn't necessarily mean he's good enough to be a started here. EPL experience is a nice plus given that the other signings we make will most likely not have this.
So you're advocating Clyne as a back-up?
what is this nightmare I have awoken into? first Danny Ings and now Clyne. Who next? Ron Vlaar?
I think it's quite clear nobody forces LvG to do anything. We're losing a good payday because LvG doesn't like how we do our preseason. Everything we do is how he wants it, as it should be. I doubt we'd piss away 30 million without the managers blessing.
Doubt it. Woodward has even backed down on having a long, lucrative preseason. All because LVG didn't want one. I don't think the club would sanction a signing without his approval. Last season was different because he was new to the club, but I'm very certain this summer's transfers will be all LVG's.
I can't think of many attainable right backs who would be better options right now, other than Coleman, although it's hard to separate them really since Clyne is younger and neither have played at the highest level so far.
I still want Coleman as our new RB.
But i would have rather Clyne than Valencia or Rafael next season.
But i would have rather Clyne than Valencia or Rafael next season.
I dont see what the fuss over signing Clyne is.. Will be a good buy and I seriously doubt we'd sign anyone who Van Gaal or his scouts haven't scouted repeatedly over the season and confirmed.
Van Gaal forced the club to cut the summer 'money minting fiesta' short, you think he won't have the final say on which player we buy?! Last summer was different, he came in late and we seem to have already have had deals in place for Herrera and Shaw by then. This time round he's had a year to assess the squad and evaluate which area's he needs to strengthen and who will fit into his "Philosophy" well.
Van Gaal forced the club to cut the summer 'money minting fiesta' short, you think he won't have the final say on which player we buy?! Last summer was different, he came in late and we seem to have already have had deals in place for Herrera and Shaw by then. This time round he's had a year to assess the squad and evaluate which area's he needs to strengthen and who will fit into his "Philosophy" well.
Is he better at crossing than Tony V?
Did a comparison of Clyne vs other RB's on Squawka, I know stats aren't the best indicator of a player but was surprised to see that Clyne has the best defensive score among the RB's I compared him against.
Also was surprsied at how poor Valencia's attack score was.
Also was surprsied at how poor Valencia's attack score was.
Did a comparison of Clyne vs other RB's on Squawka, I know stats aren't the best indicator of a player but was surprised to see that Clyne has the best defensive score among the RB's I compared him against.
Also was surprsied at how poor Valencia's attack score was.
That is really interesting indeed. Our full backs has provided 1 assist all season and ironically it was Blind who did it. Compared to City's and Chelsea's 7 assists per season just from their regular full backs alone.
Combined with the fact that they've also scored more goals from us from the defenders we're lacking plenty of goals being created/scored by our defensive line.
The most worrying stat is by far that we just have one assist when we more than any of those teams look for crosses in to the box.
Where did you pull this stat from?
I specifically remember Valencia pulling the ball back to Fellaini who laced it into the top corner at Loftus Road.
Valencia has 2 assists from playing as a RM/RWB in that 5-3-2/3-5-2. He doesn't have any assists when playing as a right back.
EDIT: Hadn't checked Rafael, he actually has an assist.
And the cutback to Rooney for his Liverpool opener.
Looking on Squawka (where you got your info) Valencia has 2 assists and Blind has 2, plus 2 goals, and don't forget Smalling's 4 goals.
I take your point though, but I do think that the rigidity in the set-up that LvG likes precludes too many risky barnstorming runs by the FBs or CBs and I'm just happy that they are doing their job right at their end of the pitch, let the strikers and attacking mid-fielders worry about scoring up the other end.
As an afterthought, I wonder how many of those defenders scored from corners or set pieces (Ivanovic probably skews the stats on his own ttytt)
Chelsea has 7 assists from their full backs, and 8 goals scored from the defense - 15 goals they directly scored or created.
City has 9 assists from their full backs, and 3 goals scored from the defense - 12 goals they directly scored or created.
Arsenal has 7 assists from their defense, and 7 goals scored from the defense - 14 goals they directly scored or created.
United has 2 assists from their defense(Blind/Rafael), and 4 goals from the defense - 6 goals they directly scored or created.
In the league:
City has scored 65
Chelsea has scored 64
Arsenal has scored 63
United has scored 59
The goals are of course from set pieces, but it doesn't make them less valuable Atletico/Chelsea has shown that. The most important part of the statistics though are of course the assists. I think we should expect and desire more from our supposed first eleven full backs than a total sum of 0 assists between Shaw/Valencia in all season as full backs.
That said statistics are just statistics, it is possible that Valencia/Shaw/Rafael has put in some great crosses that led to goals where they should be credited for creating the goal. The same goes for the other teams as well.
Thats the key really, our fullbacks have contributed less and we went through a horrible patch of form but there isnt a lot of difference between the goals scored. It just means the attacking responsibility has been shifted more to the attackers and mid in our system as compared to others.
Yeah . And that worries some on here.
I like the idea of singning him but who is then making way ? Rafa or Tony? Or is Tony being used as winger again?
I was kinda agreeing with you btw, I'd like Clyne (questions of pace and the awful recent international showing apart), and think Hummels and Smalling in the middle could be a rock solid partnership, more worried about whether Shaw will ever be as clever a thinker as the slower Blind is currently. That would be my back 4 for next season, … however (and this is only my personal thoughts):
We've not exactly been firing on all cylinders until the last 4 games or so and we're still not exactly a million miles off the total goals scored are we? 6 behind City, 5 behind Chelsea & 4 behind Arsenal.
Goals scored is a very important stat as long as it doesn't come at the cost of goals conceded!
If you looked at those figures 5 games ago then they would have looked a hell of a lot worse. I'm willing to bet that by the end of the season we'll reign the goals scored stat back in too and be right up there with Chelsea.
Another point to consider is that we don't need the traditional tall defensive "target man" at corners as we have Fellaini, so a lot of those nodded down assists that contribute to the other teams totals might come from a midfielder occasionally for us.
What we're missing is perhaps the JT-like chancer that can score some scrappy goals from loose balls after a corner has come in (like the situation in the City game Sunday that somehow never went in), but, like I said earlier, I like what I've seen recently and think it's far more important our defenders are concentrating primarily on defence.
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Hernandez is imo Southampton level, he'd be a great signing for them, if they can get European football next season.
If that's the deal, how much cash would we part with as well as Hernandez, surely a straight swap would be enough? Just like Shaw, i'm confident we can out do Chelsea for the player.
The article also linked us with Hummels and claims we want De Jong too
. Maybe they are the 3 signings we've reportedly agreed and aren't the flash signings also.
If that's the deal, how much cash would we part with as well as Hernandez, surely a straight swap would be enough? Just like Shaw, i'm confident we can out do Chelsea for the player.
The article also linked us with Hummels and claims we want De Jong too
. Maybe they are the 3 signings we've reportedly agreed and aren't the flash signings also.Although i like Clyne i still can't help feeling a bit underwhelmed about this deal if it happens. I wanted him a year or two ago as a back-up for Rafael, now it looks like it could be in place of Rafael which is a hard one to wrap your head around considering Rafael is a much more talented player.
I imagine maybe LVG thinks Clyne would fit into his style of play better than Rafael does, from that standpoint and the fact Clyne seems to have a very good injury record i suppose i could see Van Gaal's thinking.
I imagine maybe LVG thinks Clyne would fit into his style of play better than Rafael does, from that standpoint and the fact Clyne seems to have a very good injury record i suppose i could see Van Gaal's thinking.
Tony V - head down and hammer it as hard as you can. I would think so.
No thanks
I'm surprised that you are surprised
I mean that's the main reason we need a new right back.
Considering its clear by now, just by appearances alone, A) LvG trusts Valencia, B) He doesnt seem to trust Rafael... at all, then it's seems clear which of them is living on borrowed time?
Also on Clyne, We've been watching him since Sir Alex's reign, according to reports we were going for him when he left Palace, given we must now have amassed 3+ years of scouting reports on the guy, I'm fairly comfortable with the purchase, even if he doesnt have the attacking prowess of a Coleman, who would be my ideal purchase.
Clyne is okay - he is very good defensively I think, very difficult to beat one-on-one. I think he is a similar player to Ashley Cole was, again in that was difficult to beat, and seemingly 'got forward well', although he didn't really as he did feck all when he actually got there. I think Clyne is far better defensively than he is offensively, and him and Shaw are a bit blunt as a pair.
I wouldn't be adverse to Varela being brought into the squad - he showed real potential.
I wouldn't be adverse to Varela being brought into the squad - he showed real potential.
Its pretty clear we will sign him, and already has issent it?
If not, then why would MUTV show anyone saying its a done deal'?
If not, then why would MUTV show anyone saying its a done deal'?
In fairness its bacause they are Madrid so its completely different for us.
I think that De Brun guy was saying it probably won't be flashy but we'll cover the areas we need player in. It's not the most exciting transfer list really, but I'd be pretty happy with all of them by the end of the summer.
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