The only one that might be interested is Liverpool if they view him as a wingback that gives them the option to go to a back 4 when needed.
Nathaniel Clyne | Signed for Liverpool
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The only one that might be interested is Liverpool if they view him as a wingback that gives them the option to go to a back 4 when needed.
I figure it'll be us and Liverpool fighting for him this summer. Both teams need a starter at right back (unless Rafael wins the job in the next 8 games, which would be excellent) and could use cover at left back, and Clyne can be both.
Hopefully we don't go retarded with the money, but for a neat sum if Liverpool aren't too interested he'd be worth a shot. Not every player has to be the best in the world in his position to be able to play an important role.
I think Blind showed that this season.
I think Blind showed that this season.
I'd take him for £10-15m. We've got Johnson leaving at the end of this season, so bringing Clyne in on reasonable wages would not only be an upgrade on the field, but cost effective for the club, too.
I'd be very happy going into 15/16 with Clyne/Moreno as our FBs. Better than Johnson/Flanno
I'd be very happy going into 15/16 with Clyne/Moreno as our FBs. Better than Johnson/Flanno
I'd take him for £10-15m. We've got Johnson leaving at the end of this season, so bringing Clyne in on reasonable wages would not only be an upgrade on the field, but cost effective for the club, too.
I'd be very happy going into 15/16 with Clyne/Moreno as our FBs. Better than Johnson/Flanno
Moreno is gash.
Apart from pace I don't see anything special with him.
I'd take him for £10-15m. We've got Johnson leaving at the end of this season, so bringing Clyne in on reasonable wages would not only be an upgrade on the field, but cost effective for the club, too.
I'd be very happy going into 15/16 with Clyne/Moreno as our FBs. Better than Johnson/Flanno
So would Juan Mata.
I like him. He seems the sort of player that could come on leaps and bounds under LVG.
I was impressed with his work rate. Very quick player and can run up and down the right flank well, he looks quite strong unlike Rafael.
I haven't seen alot of him though but i would happily take him for 15m. Think under LVG he would learn a great deal.
I haven't seen alot of him though but i would happily take him for 15m. Think under LVG he would learn a great deal.
Nowhere near Rafa as a player, not even close IMO. If we have decided that Rafa can't be depended upon for whatever reason (I'm assuming injuries) then I'd rather us find a better starting right back than Clyne. I'd stick with Valencia over him to save the transfer fee.
I quite like Clyne he's a balanced player, decent both defensively and going forward and has scope for improvement. If Rafa leaves and as well as Valencia has done, we'll need a specialist in the position.
For those doubting, Clyne is good. A Denis Irwin type. 7/10 every week and I must admit I'd take that after seeing Rafael frustrate the hell out of me and be as much a liability today as he was when he first came. Would happily have a steady type of player. Rafael probably capable of more spectacular performances but also, and more often, more spectacular brain farts.
Oh yeah and that's without even considering the fact Rafael has a wonderful ability to not be fit for any sustained period. Clyne beats him when it comes to reliability on that front too.
If it was up to me then I would sign Clyne and keep Rafael but I think Rafael will get sold.
Valencia has done a really good job but Rafael is the better right back in my opinion. It's funny that Rafael has been injury free for a long time now but can't get into the starting 11.
Valencia has done a really good job but Rafael is the better right back in my opinion. It's funny that Rafael has been injury free for a long time now but can't get into the starting 11.
The transfer fees excuse went out the window when we decided to spunk £60m on Di Maria, £30m on Shaw, £28m on Fellaini (you see where I'm heading). I'd rather pay something stupid like £50m for Clyne than see Valencia carry on as our right back with his 'one step forward, two steps back' performances. That's how useless I think he is. Our full backs are one of our biggest issues as a team that needs looking at.
Valencia is turd yet somehow just because he occassionally takes a break from being shit, many seem to think he's been alright. Which other top team would Valencia start for?
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Valencia ?
Valencia.....i just like typing it !
What?
I question likening Clyne to Irwin. Irwin was brilliantly consistent (with wonderful set piece skill).
Clyne may have done nothing very wrong when I've seen him play but he's not been all that good either. That's more consistently six out of 10. With Irwin what you got is a player whose performances never fell below seven out of 10. Irwin's defending and ability in one on one battles with wingers was great, if memory serves, and I don't think that's nostalgia. I have seen nothing from Clyne to indicate he's going to be on that level.
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I don't think Clyne is any better than Valencia at right back. He is massively over rated and you are doing Valencia a disservice. £50m you are off your head.
Clyne is way better than Valencia as a right back. To begin with, Valencia isn't even a right back
£45m of that fee would be just so Valencia doesn't play.
I appreciate the sentiment of this post, because you are trying to say that Clyne is consistent. And no-one could argue that Irwin was anything other than consistent. But the comparison needs to end there. Irwin was much more than a 'steady player'. He was wonderful going forward, genuinely two footed, had a great shot, and took a mean free-kick. If he was Brazilian, he'd be mentioned in the same breath as Cafu et al. I'm not even joking.
Was only talking about consistency both in terms of performances and, later, fitness rather than their being any similarity in attributes.
Yeah it ended where you wanted to. Attributes wise they are quite different.
Irwin is on a pedestal for me when it comes to United full backs. Above Evra, below G Nev. anyone will have to go some to trouble them.
People need to stop going crazy when someone compares a player of obvious lesser qualities with a known player. You guys really read way too much into it for no reason, everybody gets that he means that Nathaniel Clyne - in his opinion - is extremely consistent. He doesn't have many 10/10 performances but at the same time no poor ones either.
He used a famous United player who was known for this to try and depict that.
He used a famous United player who was known for this to try and depict that.
@AKDevil @Annahnomoss my point wasn't based on a comparison of their attributes, my point was based around the idea that Clyne is offering or can offer a similar level of consistency as Irwin. With Irwin it was not that he never had a below average game, its that he almost always had a good game. There are plenty of players out there that are generally decent, the category in which I'd place Clyne, but not players that can be counted on to be good week in, week out. If Clyne were at that level, where he was always faultless in his defending, always good at sticking with runners, always taking up the right positions, I'd say sign him. That's not what I see though. He's decent as a defender, he's decent going forward. To me, a Man Utd player should be more than just decent.
Irwin was a world class defender without a doubt. You are comparing the attributes of Irwin(Marking, positioning, decision making etc) and of course Clyne looks stupid in comparison. You will see another hundred posts of people saying X is like Y and they'll never be as good.
Starting an argument about it will just be pointless, take effort and it will derail the thread.
I agree on Irwin by the way. He was a brilliant defender and his average performance level was very stable. Hard to give enough credit to someone like that without sounding hyperbole but he was good in nearly every game. The type of player you need to watch loads of matches before you realize just how good he is, that inevitable poor match or mistake just never came in the rate of regular players.
The Valencia hate in here is strong. Clyne would merely a be a step sideways as a replacement.
Clyne would merely a be a step sideways as a replacement.Too much fuss over this average right back.
What I see with Clyne is someone who will benefit in a team with a deep defensive line with numbers at the back to support him. Defensively, he's very rash (can't believe some are saying he's better defensively than Rafael), and he's heavily reliant on his aggression, strength, and speed to defend. For Southampton, much of his defending is 1-on-1's against wide players. Frequently, he would either charge right at them when they're about to receive the ball or face them, wait for them to try and get past him, and use his speed and strength to hold back the opponent and maintain the ball.
That's not to say he's a defensive mug. He's good at timing his tackles, and as a man-marker, his attributes make him good at stopping most wingers. However, that's all he has that's good enough for this club, IMO. In this case, we already have Valencia who's actually a good man-marker now (compared to before) and is quite reliable, just like Clyne is, against the average/lower-level opposition.
However, I don't see Clyne as being defensively reliable. His awareness and positional sense is quite poor, and his aggressive, man-marking style will easily see us become quite open at the right side against intelligent wide players.
Going forward, he's not bad. Yeah, he may be heavily reliant on his speed, strength, and quickness in beating players, but he's quite good at dribbling, and his deliveries are decent as well. Whenever I've watched Southampton play, he's been one of Southampton's biggest attacking threats after Tadic.
Given that, under van Gaal, we will rarely, if ever, play deep and with many numbers at the back, I won't ever see Clyne as a starter for us. Like Valencia, he can be a good backup player, and I wouldn't mind getting him as that. However, if we are to get a replacement for Rafael as the main right back, we need to aim for better than Clyne. A couple have already been mentioned here, like Fabinho, and I'll also add in Hugo Mallo. In my opinion, Fabinho and Mallo are two of the best up and coming right backs who show great defensive discipline at the moment. Darmian's up there as well, for me.
I wouldn't mind if we get Clyne as a squad player who van Gaal can shape into a great defensive player, but that's only if van Gaal doesn't sell Rafael and entrusts him the right back position in the first 11. Otherwise, we'll need to aim for better than Clyne.
That's not to say he's a defensive mug. He's good at timing his tackles, and as a man-marker, his attributes make him good at stopping most wingers. However, that's all he has that's good enough for this club, IMO. In this case, we already have Valencia who's actually a good man-marker now (compared to before) and is quite reliable, just like Clyne is, against the average/lower-level opposition.
However, I don't see Clyne as being defensively reliable. His awareness and positional sense is quite poor, and his aggressive, man-marking style will easily see us become quite open at the right side against intelligent wide players.
Going forward, he's not bad. Yeah, he may be heavily reliant on his speed, strength, and quickness in beating players, but he's quite good at dribbling, and his deliveries are decent as well. Whenever I've watched Southampton play, he's been one of Southampton's biggest attacking threats after Tadic.
Given that, under van Gaal, we will rarely, if ever, play deep and with many numbers at the back, I won't ever see Clyne as a starter for us. Like Valencia, he can be a good backup player, and I wouldn't mind getting him as that. However, if we are to get a replacement for Rafael as the main right back, we need to aim for better than Clyne. A couple have already been mentioned here, like Fabinho, and I'll also add in Hugo Mallo. In my opinion, Fabinho and Mallo are two of the best up and coming right backs who show great defensive discipline at the moment. Darmian's up there as well, for me.
I wouldn't mind if we get Clyne as a squad player who van Gaal can shape into a great defensive player, but that's only if van Gaal doesn't sell Rafael and entrusts him the right back position in the first 11. Otherwise, we'll need to aim for better than Clyne.
What's the point ? We already possess a perfectly capable steady right-back whose stats are far more impressive than Clyne's. Clyne gives the ball away twice as much as Valencia, while his creativity is very similar: Clyne has 2 goals, shoots more often but Valencia is ahead on assists, key passes and chances created. Valencia wins more tackles (and a higher percentage), wins a slightly higher percentage of aerial duals, but Clyne marginally ahead on interceptions.
You are going a bit ott with Irwin he was not even in the same stratosphere as Cafu. I watched both growing up and I'm not having that and Irwin was one of my favourites but come on.
Because Valencia is not a right back, is not the greatest stand-in right back and is only going to get worse. Clyne on the other hand is good at the moment and will only get better. Watching the two, regardless of stats, would much, much, much rather have Clyne in our team personally.
I reckon a lot of people will be left underwhelmed if we sign this guy. Nothing special at.
Nowhere near as good as Irwin defensively. He relies on his pace a lot in that regard.
He's quick, English, and alright at getting forward. He's approaching his last year of contract so anything more than £12m would be a bit loopy.
Nope, I don't think I am.
Fergie said in 2013 that his one absolutely certainty to get in his all-time Utd XI would be Dennis Irwin. Alan Hansen said in the 1990's that if he was picking a team of the decade, he'd have 'Dennis Irwin at left back, and Dennis Irwin at right back'. As Fergie also said, he was an 8 out of 10 player every game. After Irwin gave away a last minute goal against Arsenal through a bad back pass, Lord Ferg was questioned about it after the game and said "One mistake in ten years isn't bad". It was no exaggeration of how good Irwin was.
He was the best left back we've ever had in my opinion. Which automatically puts him right up there in the conversation on an international level. And I would be hard pressed to name many better full back in the 90's. Maldini, Zanetti, and Cafu. But he was as good or better than anyone else, not least because he was as good defensively as he was going forwards.
I am glad that in Cafe tradition, we have turned a thread about one player, into a discussion about another. Here's the Irwin debate thread, where you'll discover I am right: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/how-good-was-denis-irwin.354479/page-2
Declyne. He lacks a bit of skill to be a stand-out full back. Doesn't seem much of an upgrade on Valencia, other than he is several years younger.
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