Nathaniel Clyne | Signed for Liverpool

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thegregster said:
We are the second biggest club in the world by revenue. Sorting out the FB positions as well as the other areas isn't a huge ask.
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but why would you buy anyone for the sake of buying, we don't need him, we already have got settled players in our team who are starting to catch up the tactics and good enough or better than the one we are so after. We would need to sell one first and why would we do that, that makes absolutely no sense at all.

And we save extra money and time to negotiate elsewhere. Apart that a lot of players left the club and we were talking about loosing our soul. I guess it would be wise to keep players who our Red through and through and I guess Rafael is possibly the player who should we sell to make room for Clyne so that wouldn't be wise at all either, he's one of the players who sets the standards of some kind of clubbism in our team. And there is the question why would we buy inferior player I wouldn't get all. Absolutely hilarious.
 
m1y2 said:
but why would you buy anyone for the sake of buying, we don't need him, we already have got settled players in our team who are starting to catch up the tactics and good enough or better than the one we are so after. We would need to sell one first and why would we do that, that makes absolutely no sense at all.

And we save extra money and time to negotiate elsewhere. Apart that a lot of players left the club and we were talking about loosing our soul. I guess it would be wise to keep players who our Red through and through and I guess Rafael is possibly the player who should we sell to make room for Clyne so that wouldn't be wise at all either, he's one of the players who sets the standards of some kind of clubbism in our team. And there is the question why would we buy inferior player I wouldn't get all. Absolutely hilarious.
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The gaffer doesn't trust Rafael for whatever reason so we def need a RB.
 
Cassidy said:
The gaffer doesn't trust Rafael for whatever reason so we def need a RB.
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he didn't trusted Herrera either and he proved to be important player and best player lately. I hope LVG will get a grip and wouldn't do another stupid mistake by selling our best RB.. I think Rafael won't give up easily. But we must wait on this. Until that we can only speculate. But wise man would know what to do..
 
m1y2 said:
he didn't trusted Herrera either and he proved to be important player and best player lately. I hope LVG will get a grip and wouldn't do another stupid mistake by selling our best RB.. I think Rafael won't give up easily. But we must wait on this. Until that we can only speculate. But wise man would know what to do..
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at least Herrera was on the bench and had a few mins here and there. Rafael is frozen out completely. Lets be honest, he is as good as sold, unless our 2 other players who play there get injured, maybe he would get a chance then.
 
izec said:
at least Herrera was on the bench and had a few mins here and there. Rafael is frozen out completely. Lets be honest, he is as good as sold, unless our 2 other players who play there get injured, maybe he would get a chance then.
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two players who play there like obviously SOLID Valencia and McNair? He proved to be quite flop, Van Gaal went over board when he said he will perhaps be our best right back for 10 years going when we won at home against poor 4th league side. F-F-S. Rafael didn't play any bad so far it has got something to do with Van Gaal's favourite players but I guess he would be our second choice anyway.

But the fact that he wasn't even on the bench is worrying you are right in that way. And well he's so unlucky injury prone player but why don't we play him when he's fit is beyond me. He is also out of favour because he can basically play only as RB but there is still some time to sort this out. Valencia having a good spell didn't help him either. I don't personally get when people start o speculate that the player's on transfer list when he doesn't play maybe it's just this crazy season. We must wait.

This manager, he obviously takes some time to make decision like he made with Rooney in midfeild, not playing Herrera, two strikers, it took him whole fecking season to realize we can't play like that, not mentioning 3-5-2 BS, di maria as striker, Jones taking corners, Fellaini as main man and other more or less stupid mistakes. I hope he makes this right after some time..
 
m1y2 said:
Rafael is comfortably better than him. Clyne can stay fit, plays in a team with good defensive tactics with player like Bertrand picking up clean sheets for fun. Even Yoshida looks quality there. Another Clyne's advantage is that he can play on the left as well but Rafael doesn't look out of pace there either.

I guess we are well sorted with Valencia making solid impact and with almost no injuries or dips of form is worth to keep, Rafael still 24! as best RB when fit needs to be given chance like Herrera who proved van Gaal very wrong. They are actually having similar season but Rafael didn't get a chance yet.. Also the best RB in next ten years can be the third option here - McNair and Young is also right footed to be a solid backup, we absolutely don't need to splash money for this surely overpriced player in the summer, he's not even better than Valencia imo.

On the left we have Shaw, Young, Rojo and James as backup backup, so we don't need fullback at all

Also I forgot to mention versatile Lingard and Varela who has big potential however he will end up in Madrid unfortunately.

SO again no need for FB, spend elsewhere! fecking DM and wide attacker
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I can't believe what i'm reading here :wenger:
 
Rafael is a crock. He is completely unreliable. If he was, he may be good. But he is not and by the looks of things never will stay fit.
 
m1y2 said:
Rafael is comfortably better than him. Clyne can stay fit, plays in a team with good defensive tactics with player like Bertrand picking up clean sheets for fun. Even Yoshida looks quality there. Another Clyne's advantage is that he can play on the left as well but Rafael doesn't look out of pace there either.

I guess we are well sorted with Valencia making solid impact and with almost no injuries or dips of form is worth to keep, Rafael still 24! as best RB when fit needs to be given chance like Herrera who proved van Gaal very wrong. They are actually having similar season but Rafael didn't get a chance yet.. Also the best RB in next ten years can be the third option here - McNair and Young is also right footed to be a solid backup, we absolutely don't need to splash money for this surely overpriced player in the summer, he's not even better than Valencia imo.

On the left we have Shaw, Young, Rojo and James as backup backup, so we don't need fullback at all

Also I forgot to mention versatile Lingard and Varela who has big potential however he will end up in Madrid unfortunately.

SO again no need for FB, spend elsewhere! fecking DM and wide attacker
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Wow man just wow! I have to disagree. Sell the crock Rafael and bring in a better RB. Danilo or Clyne will do.
 
I've been thinking about Clyne for a while, and if he were to come here, I think people would really begin to see how he's not as good as he's made out to be over here. He's over-reliant on his speed and aggression when defending, and his awareness is quite poor. His main strengths are his speed, quickness, aggression, and crossing, so he's very good going forward and okay defensively as his pace and aggression make up for his lack of defensive nous.

When I look at Ivanovic, Azpi, Carvajal, and Juanfran, I see full backs who are at suitable for a title-winning team. Clyne isn't up to that standard.
 
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Loublaze said:
Wow man just wow! I have to disagree. Sell the crock Rafael and bring in a better RB. Danilo or Clyne will do.
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Everyone can have his opinion but his post is wrong in so many points

1) Rafael isn't "comfortably better" than Clyne unless the thinks about the 2012-2013 season......but in the last 18 months Clyne is much much much better than Rafael.

2) Clyne and Rafael have played maybe 5 professional games as left-back......for me it's a myth that Clyne is a good left-back because i've never seen him play there

3) Valencia is okay as RB and can be the back-up for next season but nothing more.

4) Young has been brilliant this season but his position should be as winger or as wing-back in the 3-5-2 system. He isn't a full-back.

5) I'm 100% sure that McNair will not be our right-back for the next 10 years.....i really like McNair but his position is CB.....we don't need to start the shit with him like with Jones and Smalling.
Van Gaal has hopefully seen against Swansea that McNair isn't a RB......if no one attacks McNair in that position like against Cambridge then yeah McNair can play as RB and looks amazing there.

6) Lingard as full-back.....oh come on :lol:

7) Varela would have chance in the 3-5-2 but he isn't good enough for us in a back4 defence.

If we want go to on the level of Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern Munich or Chelsea then a new RB is a must!!!!
I can't believe there a still United fans who are thinking we don't need a new RB.
An average RB for the last 18 months is one of the reasons why we are just the 4th/5th best team in England.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
Everyone can have his opinion but his post is wrong in so many points

1) Rafael isn't "comfortably better" than Clyne unless the thinks about the 2012-2013 season......but in the last 18 months Clyne is much much much better than Rafael.

2) Clyne and Rafael have played maybe 5 professional games as left-back......for me it's a myth that Clyne is a good left-back because i've never seen him play there

3) Valencia is okay as RB and can be the back-up for next season but nothing more.

4) Young has been brilliant this season but his position should be as winger or as wing-back in the 3-5-2 system. He isn't a full-back.

5) I'm 100% sure that McNair will not be our right-back for the next 10 years.....i really like McNair but his position is CB.....we don't need to start the shit with him like with Jones and Smalling.
Van Gaal has hopefully seen against Swansea that McNair isn't a RB......if no one attacks McNair in that position like against Cambridge then yeah McNair can play as RB and looks amazing there.

6) Lingard as full-back.....oh come on :lol:

7) Varela would have chance in the 3-5-2 but he isn't good enough for us in a back4 defence.

If we want go to on the level of Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern Munich or Chelsea then a new RB is a must!!!!
I can't believe there a still United fans who are thinking we don't need a new RB.
An average RB for the last 18 months is one of the reasons why we are just the 4th/5th best team in England.
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Agree with everything but the Varela bit.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
Because? :)
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What makes you think he'd only be useful in 3-5-2 and that he wouldn't be good enough in a flat four? He was never given a chance in the first team. IMO he looks a better defender than Rafael at the same age.
 
Loublaze said:
What makes you think he'd only be useful in 3-5-2 and that he wouldn't be good enough in a flat four? He was never given a chance in the first team. IMO he looks a better defender than Rafael at the same age.
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I think Varela's strenghs are better offensive than defensive.
I like him going forward.....mix between Valencia and Rafael.
But his defending is too rapid, tacklings at the wrong time (He should more wait what the attacking player is doing) and positioning wasn't great so i think this attributes aren't good enough for a flat four for Manchester United level. I think it was Thorpe who has saved him many time when he was out of position after a lost tackling or he was somewhere else on the pitch.
You can get away with that "problem" more in a 3-5-2 system than in a 4-4-2/4-5-1.
 
m1y2 said:
Rafael is comfortably better than him. Clyne can stay fit, plays in a team with good defensive tactics with player like Bertrand picking up clean sheets for fun. Even Yoshida looks quality there. Another Clyne's advantage is that he can play on the left as well but Rafael doesn't look out of pace there either.

I guess we are well sorted with Valencia making solid impact and with almost no injuries or dips of form is worth to keep, Rafael still 24! as best RB when fit needs to be given chance like Herrera who proved van Gaal very wrong. They are actually having similar season but Rafael didn't get a chance yet.. Also the best RB in next ten years can be the third option here - McNair and Young is also right footed to be a solid backup, we absolutely don't need to splash money for this surely overpriced player in the summer, he's not even better than Valencia imo.

On the left we have Shaw, Young, Rojo and James as backup backup, so we don't need fullback at all

Also I forgot to mention versatile Lingard and Varela who has big potential however he will end up in Madrid unfortunately.

SO again no need for FB, spend elsewhere! fecking DM and wide attacker
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Rafael is a crock while Lingard and Valencia are wingers. We do need a RB (probably two)
 
It doesn't matter how "good" you are if you can't stay fit. Why is this such a difficult thing for people to understand? As much as I like Rafael, I wouldn't bat an eye if he was sold right now, he's not even one of our important players if am being honest. So, what's the big deal? There's too much theory when we defend our players it's boring now, good player doesn't stay fit, that's no good for me sorry. I'll like us to get Coleman, Danilo or Clyne in that order.
 
legball said:
It doesn't matter how "good" you are if you can't stay fit. Why is this such a difficult thing for people to understand? As much as I like Rafael, I wouldn't bat an eye if he was sold right now, he's not even one of our important players if am being honest. So, what's the big deal? There's too much theory when we defend our players it's boring now, good player doesn't stay fit, that's no good for me sorry. I'll like us to get Coleman, Danilo or Clyne in that order.
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Agreed. I don't think we would miss him now as we have hardly seen him this season. It's quite sad that he isn't getting a chance to prove himself, now he is fit, but he can't be doing it on the training ground or we would be seeing him in the starting 11.
I'm sure LvG will be bringing in a new RB and if it's Clyne, he would be ideal.
 
legball said:
It doesn't matter how "good" you are if you can't stay fit. Why is this such a difficult thing for people to understand? As much as I like Rafael, I wouldn't bat an eye if he was sold right now, he's not even one of our important players if am being honest. So, what's the big deal? There's too much theory when we defend our players it's boring now, good player doesn't stay fit, that's no good for me sorry. I'll like us to get Coleman, Danilo or Clyne in that order.
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May as well remove all of our injury prone players in that case. I agree with the sentiment however I don't think it's as simple as you make out. We don't know Rafaels situation, all we know is he got injured early on in the season, recovered and has since been completely sidelined by the manager. Last season was the same scenario, he only missed 4 games due to injury (first 4) the rest of his missed appearances was due to David Moyes simply not selecting him.

So the question I guess is why both Van Gaal and David Moyes sideline him, while Sir Alex considered him to be the future of the club. It's an odd scenario with Rafael. He's actually only missed 17 League games in 103 due to injury, which isn't that bad actually. I think people have got a little confused between being injured and simply not being selected.

If Rafael is therefore not being played because he's disciplined then I'm a bit confused why people are mentioning Danilo as a possible replacement. I'd consider him to be an even more attacking version of Rafael, while surely Van Gaal would want a RB who's a little better at defending? I know what the final outcome will be though, Dani Alves, depressing but I just have a hunch that's where we'll go, I just hope we also bring in a young RB as well to offer competition.
 
Rafa was injured a lot more than the first four games last season. He was picking up niggle after niggle during the first half of the season. He's my favourite player at the club, but we need reliability at the back. I'd be inclined to boot all of Rafa, Evans and Jones and replace them with fitter, better alternatives. I'd keep Smalling.
 
Kag said:
Rafa was injured a lot more than the first four games last season. He was picking up niggle after niggle during the first half of the season. He's my favourite player at the club, but we need reliability at the back. I'd be inclined to boot all of Rafa, Evans and Jones and replace them with fitter, better alternatives. I'd keep Smalling.
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I'd also keep Jones but he'd be on my shortlist to boot out if he doesn't start delivering soon in the next couple of seasons.

I'd like to replace Evans with a very good cb signing and Rafael with a very good rb signing and keep the rest of our defenders as it is right now.

F.E.

-Hummels
-Jones
-Smalling
-Rojo
-McNair
-Danilo
-Valencia
-Shaw
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
I think Varela's strenghs are better offensive than defensive.
I like him going forward.....mix between Valencia and Rafael.
But his defending is too rapid, tacklings at the wrong time (He should more wait what the attacking player is doing) and positioning wasn't great so i think this attributes aren't good enough for a flat four for Manchester United level. I think it was Thorpe who has saved him many time when he was out of position after a lost tackling or he was somewhere else on the pitch.
You can get away with that "problem" more in a 3-5-2 system than in a 4-4-2/4-5-1.
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Agree completely there.
 
I think several of the posters here and forgetting Rafaels horrendous injury record, I cannot recall the last time I saw him play more than 4 games in a row. He is completely undependable and LVG is right in freezing him out.

I do think he is a great right back and if his injury record was better Id love him to stay but I don't think he can stay fit.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
I'd like to replace Evans with a very good cb signing and Rafael with a very good rb signing and keep the rest of our defenders as it is right now.
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Yep, that's what I'd do too. I reckon in a team playing consistently and with some confidence the likes of Smalling, Rojo and Jones are all good defenders, potentially excellent ones. In the last two seasons Evans has completely lost it - what used to be his strengths have actually become weaknesses, somehow - and it's time to cut our losses there. Rafa is superbly gifted but unfortunately doesn't look likely to ever be injury-free, so I wouldn't be distraught if we ditched him for someone more reliable.

Add a physically commanding CM to that CB and RB and that'd be an ideal summer for me. Wouldn't want anyone else to come in.
 
Dont know what to think about Clyne, i dont rate him. I would rather we would go for another RB
 
Didnt we have a deal for him agreed when he was at Palace for at least 10x as less as what the fee will be if this goes through?
 
The fact that he's rejecting a new deal and is nearing the end of his contract is a plus, I guess. One less player we'll have to overpay for.
 
No more ripping us off. With Shaw we have seen that while he seems a good enough player, he is nowhere near the exhilarating talent and 30 million LB that everyone though he was worth.
 
Kevin said:
No more ripping us off. With Shaw we have seen that while he seems a good enough player, he is nowhere near the exhilarating talent and 30 million LB that everyone though he was worth.
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What were you expecting, Roberto Carlos?
 
RedMachine03 said:
Who would you buy then? Coleman?
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I will keep what we have but if we want to improve our RB options then Coleman is a good deal.Heard good things about Danilo but I haven't watched him much.Surely there must be better players available somewhere.People are acting as if we can only buy players from the PL.
 
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Rather keep Rafael and get de Sciglio in from AC Milan.
TBH THough Clyne is competent so if its not silly money no complaints, don't think he is that special though tbh
 
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