Moyes Was Sacked One Year Ago

One year on, what do you think about Moyes now?

  • He should have been given more time

    Votes: 11 2.2%

  • He wasn't perfect, but there are a lot of positives to take from his management

    Votes: 9 1.8%

  • He was unfortunately necessary for us to transition from Fergie to our next big manager

    Votes: 74 15.1%

  • It was a wasted year and we should have got someone else

    Votes: 320 65.2%

  • He was just the absolute worst. The worst!

    Votes: 77 15.7%
  • Total voters
    491
  • Poll closed .
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I can see your point. Carragher wrote an article saying that Moyes was fighting the battle of Britain. If Moyes was deemed a failure at United and lost his job, that would have meant owners would have been more reluctant to hire British managers. Martin Samuel wrote that the 6 year contract meant they did't really target Moyes, believing rather naively that the 6 year deal meant United were with Moyes for the long haul. Samuel's London mates hounded AVB out of Spurs although their results under him were poor.
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It's true. Moyes would have gone earlier if the press (and our fans) hadn't been so lenient. They were only lenient because he was British, I'm pretty sure I even read a journalist writing something along those lines recently.

I've never felt more detached from our fan-base than I did the day the plane flew over and everyone gave Moyes a standing ovation. I'm not the kind of person who wants someone to lose their job but it was cruel keeping him in the job. It was never going to work.
 
devilish said:
His standing ovation at OT practically summarize how stupid some of our fans are.
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Not just fans. Bobby Charlton and SAF were primarily responsible. Beware the judgement of proud old men.
 
I voted for option three.

For years I, and many others, said that whoever followed SAF was taking on an impossible job, and would be doomed before they even began. The next manager would be another Wilf McGuinness, a sacrificial pawn, a night-watchman at best.

So when this actually happened, it's a bit odd how surprised we all were, looking back.

The only odd thing is that we gave him such a long contract. But I suppose we had to pretend that the above wasn't the case. Woody could hardly anounce his signing while saying "we've only given him a 2 year contract, because he'll obviously be shit".
 
rimaldo said:
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oh boy
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:lol: This deserves more love.

Shameful, small time, spoilt thread title by the way.
 
Sir A1ex said:
For years I, and many others, said that whoever followed SAF was taking on an impossible job, and would be doomed before they even began. The next manager would be another Wilf McGuinness, a sacrificial pawn, a night-watchman at best.
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Just about every opposition fan told us that Moyes as United manager would never work out. I disagreed with this because - like many of us, I suspect - my 'insight' was no such thing; it was merely hope in disguise.
 
dxadel said:
Losing to Everton and Newcastle back to back?
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Like I say, too many to choose from.

Some of the lowest points of the season werent even during games. It was sitting here in my chair, on this very website, trying to find a way to reconcile my heart and my head, trying to be fair minded and true to my long held belief that we would struggle that season no matter who had come in, while also having to acknowledge he had drained every last drop of confidence and even enjoyment of watching us from me. Arguing with people here about how long he should be given, why I felt people needed to find reserves of patience I was looking for in myself - but finding it very hard to locate. As the weekend drew closer, dealing with the fact that for the first time in my adult life I was not looking forward to our upcoming game - regardless of who it happened to be against - because I had no belief we would win, no belief we would entertain, no belief I would see the green shoots of recovery... nothing. All there ever was was grim determination to hang on in there, that eventually things would work themselves out, even if it might be quite some time.

I think I used the mataphor of self flagellation at least a few times last season, and that is what it felt like: after all those years of success, it felt like there was no option but to just take it, that we had to endure the lashings to pay for all the success we had enjoyed, and so I just clenched my muscles and waited and watched and dreamt of things being better. None of that was any particular occasion, that was just more or less last season in its entirety, certainly from the turn of the year onwards (and one of my very personal lows was the Spurs game at NY, which for me was the moment this feeling really took hold strongly, and I realised Moyes wasnt going to turn things around that season at all, that if he did come good it would be next (this) season, and I might as well stop thinking about a turnaround that wasnt going to come.)
 
Sir A1ex said:
For years I, and many others, said that whoever followed SAF was taking on an impossible job, and would be doomed before they even began. The next manager would be another Wilf McGuinness, a sacrificial pawn, a night-watchman at best.
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Just because this happened doesn't mean it was inevitable. Lots of clubs have maintained success with different managers. Look at Bayern.

The problem with David Moyes is that he wasn't good enough. It's that simple.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I can see your point. Carragher wrote an article saying that Moyes was fighting the battle of Britain. If Moyes was deemed a failure at United and lost his job, that would have meant owners would have been more reluctant to hire British managers. Martin Samuel wrote that the 6 year contract meant they did't really target Moyes, believing rather naively that the 6 year deal meant United were with Moyes for the long haul. Samuel's London mates hounded AVB out of Spurs although their results under him were poor.
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I don't believe that for a second, he was protected primarily because he was British and secondly because he was friends with a load of journo's who he wined and dined and probably promised exclusives to.


Moriarty said:
It's probably Roy Keane sitting up all night at his computer.
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Well he has the time on his hands now:p
 
Adebesi said:
So many lows to choose from.

The Fulham game does stand out. But the back to back thrashings by City and Liverpool was the real low.
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Liverpool was the one. I was already in the Moyes out camp by then but everything about that Liverpool game, from Moyes anointing them favourites, to them cruising to victory was painful. Let's not forget Gerrard missed a penalty, they probably should've had another penalty that they didn't get, and if not for De Gea...

As I watched the game I just had a horrible sinking feeling. Every time Liverpool went forward it seemed like they would score. Sturridge and Suarez were running Vidic ragged all game til he got his marching orders. It was the first time in my life that I'd watched Man Utd and been scared, yes I admit it I was scared, of how humiliating the game could turn out to be.

The Liverpool beating was worse than the 6-1 because the torture was dragged out across the whole game. The 6-1 only materialised in the last 10 minutes after we scored and went chasing an equaliser. Liverpool played with us like a cat plays with a mouse. It was horrible. I think they had it easier against us than Barcelona did in those two Champions League finals. Did we even get off a shot of note?

Before that game I'd never seen United play Liverpool and simply not be in the game. God willing it will never happen again.
 
That year went by so fast. I remember reading the news at work and throwing two fists in the air and grinning like an idiot for the rest of the day. Forget signing Herrera and Shaw in consecutive days. Forget signing Di Maria. Getting rid of Dithering Dave was the best thing United did last year.
 
glazed said:
Just because this happened doesn't mean it was inevitable. Lots of clubs have maintained success with different managers. Look at Bayern.

The problem with David Moyes is that he wasn't good enough. It's that simple.
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It isnt that simple.

It isnt the changing managers that's the issue. Its the changing managers after 27 years that's the issue. We reaped benefits from that in the later years, the stability we gained from it, which we were so desperate to replicate by bringing in another long term appointment.

But the downside of having such an anchor providing that kind of stability is that when it is removed, you become massively unstable. You dont have other mechanisms in place to cope, which other clubs that have changed their managers many times before do have.

Im not saying Moyes was good enough. But thinking "its that simple" is just wrong IMO.
 
Last season made me realise just how lucky I was to be a United fan, I am a firm believer in your club choosing you and not you choosing your club, expecting a loss every matchday should be classed as torture, having to wake up on a Monday knowing "ah....yes, my mates will have a field day with me today", it got to a point where I was treated like a supporter from another league or a lesser team, I couldn't get into any arguments as there was nothing to argue about.

Never Again! Credit to the fans of the lesser teams though, I think I'd have taken up another sport by now, still don't know why they don't take the cup competitions seriously...how do you go decades/lifetimes without a single trophy ?
 
glazed said:
Just because this happened doesn't mean it was inevitable. Lots of clubs have maintained success with different managers. Look at Bayern.

The problem with David Moyes is that he wasn't good enough. It's that simple.
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Bayern were trash for a while though, Real Madrid failed to reach the QF in the CL for a long while, I remember when Lyon used to knock them out with ease and they got trashed by Liverpool.
 
I think a drop off was inevitable after SAF as the whole club seemed to struggle. That said, I don't believe we would have improved significantly this season and other managers would have handled last season better. It was the right call to sack him and the wrong one to hire him in the first place.

The thread title is way too harsh though.
 
Wow, that was a fast year.

Terrible move for both the club and Moyes. However bad we were last season, I still felt a tad sorry for him. It didn't help that his successor at Everton appeared to have took them to a new level, while he was simultaneously ruining his own reputation with us. I have my suspicions that Martinez won't be sent on his way with a standing ovation from Goodison, and Moyes will be vindicated as a reasonably good PL manager, eventually.

From United's point of view though, it's been a decent 12 months really. The club stood up and sacked him when we were all worried we'd be burdened by the 'chosen one' tag. Hiring a manager with the perfect reputation, and then backing him with a record transfer kitty was reassuring from owners that had previously been able to sit back, and lap up the cash Fergie brought in.
 
Il Prete Rosso said:
The language and some crap about it's not good for the Italian game. I've heard it quite a few times to be honest.
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Fair enough, 9 Italian coaches - 2 epl titles,2 FA cup titles, 1 CL, 1 successful relegation battle, 1 CL semi final appearance.....not a bad record.
 
glazed said:
Just because this happened doesn't mean it was inevitable. Lots of clubs have maintained success with different managers. Look at Bayern.

The problem with David Moyes is that he wasn't good enough. It's that simple.
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As others have pointed out, it is not that simple at all. You can't make a straight comparison with those clubs as the way we functioned under Fergie was quite unique by modern standards. All those continental club in addition to City and Chelsea have a system set in place with a board and directors and so on making key decision with the vision of the club and the way they want it to go. The transfer market is one of example of how much less control all those clubs gave to their managers compared to Sir Alex. What we had therefore is the equivalent of replacing the manager, director of football and the board. That's not to say that Moyes was suitable to the job of course.
 
I can't really think of many good moments... signing Mata was probably the best one.

The worst was the Fulham match, not just for the performance but his roar when we went 2-1 and the crowd cheering like we had just won a big match or cup final. I just sat there thinking "this is how far we have fallen", I actually felt relieved when they equalised.
 
The one issue i'll remember that stands out was coming onto the Cafe and reading all the negativity, day after day, compounding our own individual heart ache, which just became an unbearable crescendo of misery.
 
That's a quick year.

I have nothing against Moyes, and I really can't stand seeing people on this forum abuse the shit out of him. He wasn't good enough, but I'm convinced that he tried his best - unfortunately it wasn't good enough. It's not as if he did it on purpose, which some people made it out to be.

It wasn't a good year, but I'm happy about these:

He signed Mata
Managed to keep Rooney at United
Gave Januzaj the chance
The Evra goal

I'm glad he's enjoying life at Soceidad. I still think he's a solid manager, the United job was just too big for him.
 
The Moyes era was so unbearable that Vidic signed a deal with Inter before the season ended(which is a terrible thing to do for a club captain to do).

Can't imagine the caf' if that was Rio or Rooney.
 
Anyone remember when Valencia crossed the ball to Young at the other side of the pitch in that Fulham home game and he then crossed it back? it must have been one of the most damning moments in football ever.
 
Cina said:
Yes, I, for one, am outraged that people are making fun of a man who completely dismantled the club.

Outraged!
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The point is that it wasn't his fault he was chosen in the first place. The guy didn't even apply for the job. He was "told".
 
Not getting Mourinho is a bit of dark spot on Bobby's and Fergies records.

The guy had the ego to do the job
 
Tbh, the attitude towards Moyes here is nothing compared to RAWK's attitude towards Hodgson; they bloody hate him. In fairness to them though, he once sent Frogie a birthday card, and ended their run of success.

lol
 
Shark said:
Anyone remember when Valencia crossed the ball to Young at the other side of the pitch in that Fulham home game and he then crossed it back? it must have been one of the most damning moments in football ever.
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:lol: Weirdest version of tiki taka ever!
 
SteveJ said:
Tbh, the attitude towards Moyes here is nothing compared to RAWK's attitude towards Hodgson; they bloody hate him. In fairness to them though, he once sent Frogie a birthday card, and ended their run of success.

lol
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What run of success?
 
Theonas said:
As others have pointed out, it is not that simple at all. You can't make a straight comparison with those clubs as the way we functioned under Fergie was quite unique by modern standards.
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I agree every situation is unique. I'm merely saying that Bayern had a very good established manager and switched him for another really good one and there wasn't a huge problem. Yes, coming after SAF made things much much harder, but failure was not inevitable. Making a hash of the summer transfers was not inevitable. Having no tactical nous was not inevitable. Losing the players' respect was not inevitable. Failing to qualify for Europe was not inevitable. Looking like a frightened gollum in every interview was not inevitable. A better manager could have made it through the first year.
 
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