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I wasnt being entirely serious, that list include @fishfingers15, whose judgement has probably been destroyed due to sleepless nights.
I was trying to be sarcastic, hehe
I wasnt being entirely serious, that list include @fishfingers15, whose judgement has probably been destroyed due to sleepless nights.
I was trying to be sarcastic, hehe
There is always the oppurtunity of supporting Sociedad. You might even find streams that show them at times.Nice to see 13 voters looking past the trees.
Ahh and here I was thinking parenthood was getting to you.
There is always the oppurtunity of supporting Sociedad. You might even find streams that show them at times.
The biggest difference is that Moyes tolerated, even welcomed mediocrity, whilst LVG clearly does not. Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra of last year were poor yet he continued to play them to the bitter end, LVG wouldn't have! When you show your players that you don't take shit the not so hopless ones will whip themselves into line and players like Young are testament to that.That's pretty questionable. Smalling, Jones (or Rojo) and Shaw (or Blind) are a big step up from the Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra of last year. Attack is harder to judge - the main difference is the absence of Welbeck and I don't see how he would have improved us this year. I suppose having him and Chicharito in the wings as back up might have been helpful but I'm not sure either of them would have fit in to the system LvG has installed.
Isn't that the whole point of my argument though? the captain, the leader of the team ; publicly announces a deal with Inter in JANUARY, in the club's worst season in 20+ years, i mean we were still in the race for the top 4 in January, that was highly disrespectful to me, i'd understand if it was a player like RVP - who was duped by Fergie (somewhat), not Vidic ...not our captain...
Imagine if Rooney signs a deal with Juventus next january when the team is 6th on the table and having a bad season, he'd get booed, his performance thread would blow up and a lot of fans would hate him even more, but its okay if its Vidic?
I wasnt being entirely serious, that list include @fishfingers15, whose judgement has probably been destroyed due to sleepless nights.
The funny thing is I actually think Mata was more a 'club' signing than a Moyes one....Couldn't believe it when he was hired as manager, needed someone with much more pedigree.
Having said that, was prepared to give him a chance but it gradually became clear that he was so far out of his depth and not in any way would he have brought us back to where we should be.
Mata was the only good thing to come out of last season and a lesson learnt that United are too big a club to hire mediocre managers
Isn't that the whole point of my argument though? the captain, the leader of the team ; publicly announces a deal with Inter in JANUARY, in the club's worst season in 20+ years, i mean we were still in the race for the top 4 in January, that was highly disrespectful to me, i'd understand if it was a player like RVP - who was duped by Fergie (somewhat), not Vidic ...not our captain...
Best moment. The second half of the cup? game against Swansea, when Januzaj and Kagawa looked like a really good combo down the right/centre. I thought he'd hit on something there.
Next game, they're both dropped. Idiot
He means the league game against Swansea at home, finished 2-0 I think.We also lost that game
Holy Shit.
Just realised.
Jimmy Lumsden was a senior figure at United.
Think about that.
He was paid to help United play football better.
The mind absolutely boggles
Who?
Seriously though i didn't know what this guy even looked like until after he was sacked. Never once seen him on the bench during a game.
Still don't know what his role was. Probably just an arse licker that Davey gave a job to.
Would the squad or the fans have been as a patient with Van Gaal had we not have had to put up with the Moyes era? I think he was a necessery punching bag, we cleared the bad out of the dressing room, shipped out the old and brought in the young and new signings in their place.Voted for D (waste of a season).
Voting C is out of the question. That's being way to kind on someone who did the amount of damage that Moyes did. Voting E seems too harsh. Moyes got a few things right, but getting a few things right will never be enough in management.
I think the worst part of the whole debacle was giving a five year contract to a manager who had proven through years and years of managing in the Premier League that he was, is and will always be depressingly mid-table. And that's what we would have been too if he'd been able to stay for his entire contract.
There's no way Moyes was a necessary evil to shake up the foundations after so many years under SAF. The only necessity we've had in the past two seasons has been to get someone as experienced and proven as Van Gaal to clean up the mess Moyes left. I think we'd have been fine with an inexperienced but talented manager from the beginning of the post-SAF era, but I'm glad we've got a behemoth like Van Gaal now. I'm sure he will leave the club in a better state than SAF did when his time is up, and the board will hire someone who's proven themselves worthy of the job. In that sense, hiring Moyes might have been a valuable lesson for the club, and that's as close as I'll ever come to say anything positive about his stint here.
Remember Phil Neville used to wear a head set on the bench?
Well, wee Jimmy used to sit in the stands and Moyes used to communicate to him, via Phil Neville and the headset, to see if he thought if a sub should be made
Jesus really? Where did you hear this mate?
Moyes was more of a crack pot than i thought then, Jimmy must have rarely thought we needed a sub then as i don't know how many games we were losing and Moyesy didn't even use all his subs or if he did took an age to make them.
So Phil Neville's main job was to relay messages from Jimmy, he rarely listened to Giggs opinions and Steve Round was Steve Round. What a coaching set up Moyes put in place.
Everywhere and anywhere.....Everton fans, United fanzines, club insiders
Dithering Dave he really was
Nice to see 13 voters looking past the trees.
I think Moyes would still be here if he was arrogant, if he had basically said "we're shit right now, but i have a 3 year plan to conquer England and the world" he is the perfect example of "Nice guys finish last".
Holy Shit.
Just realised.
Jimmy Lumsden was a senior figure at United.
Think about that.
He was paid to help United play football better.
The mind absolutely boggles
The thing about the transfer business that isnt captured by what youre saying there (which I agree with BTW) is the perception of control it would have given him. That's important for the players we got rid of as much as for the ones we brought in. Basically, and its a hard thing to quantify, but to some extent Moyes may have had a better grip of the dressing room if he had moved a few people on and brought a few people in who owed their allegiance to him directly. I think this is something Van Gaal benefited from. Obviously he would command more respect anyway simply because of what he has achieved in the game. But by being decisive and shipping so many players out he reminded players who stayed they were only there because he allowed them to be there. I think that's an important psychological factor. I said earlier I dont think the players consciously downed tools and refused to play for him, but they were altogether too comfortable and a sense of entitlement crept in.
Its all a long winded way of saying sometimes when you do business in the transfer market you get a benefit from that over and above the services of the players coming in. You get a morale boost from the freshness of the squad and reinvigoration of competition for places.
How can you say he isn't arrogant?
It's one of the main problems with him, he certainly isn't a nice guy, we learned that much for certain during his time here.
I was talking about what might have happened if he'd spent the money in his first summer. Agree to much bad had happened for him to be given the money after his first season in charge.But it would have been absurd to allow him to spend significant amount of money on replacing half of the team with whoever he might have liked. It would be rewarding him for finishing 7th and being utterly terrible in his first season.
Nice to see 13 voters looking past the trees.
The 12 saying he should have had more time are not as bad as the fecking 9 that said there are a lot of positives to take from his managementDoesn't help the argument when a couple are fans of opposition clubs.
feck off, I have actually just pissed myself.
I can't stop looking at it, it's like corporal Jones from Dads army.
That gif Is that guy meant to be Rene Muelensteens replacement?!Holy Shit.
Just realised.
Jimmy Lumsden was a senior figure at United.
Think about that.
He was paid to help United play football better.
The mind absolutely boggles
its ok the evil Moyes monster will not get you.Had a weird dream this morning. I was walking by a building where the apartments had big windows so you could see in from the street. There were lots of people in all the rooms and in one of them was Moyes with his Real Sociedad team and he was smiling smug. I was gonna shout Moyes Out when I woke up scared