Moyes Was Sacked One Year Ago

One year on, what do you think about Moyes now?


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I think Moyes would still be here if he was arrogant, if he had basically said "we're shit right now, but i have a 3 year plan to conquer England and the world" he is the perfect example of "Nice guys finish last".
 
That's pretty questionable. Smalling, Jones (or Rojo) and Shaw (or Blind) are a big step up from the Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra of last year. Attack is harder to judge - the main difference is the absence of Welbeck and I don't see how he would have improved us this year. I suppose having him and Chicharito in the wings as back up might have been helpful but I'm not sure either of them would have fit in to the system LvG has installed.
The biggest difference is that Moyes tolerated, even welcomed mediocrity, whilst LVG clearly does not. Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra of last year were poor yet he continued to play them to the bitter end, LVG wouldn't have! When you show your players that you don't take shit the not so hopless ones will whip themselves into line and players like Young are testament to that.
Moyes didn't make any player fight for their United careers.
 
Isn't that the whole point of my argument though? the captain, the leader of the team ; publicly announces a deal with Inter in JANUARY, in the club's worst season in 20+ years, i mean we were still in the race for the top 4 in January, that was highly disrespectful to me, i'd understand if it was a player like RVP - who was duped by Fergie (somewhat), not Vidic ...not our captain...

Imagine if Rooney signs a deal with Juventus next january when the team is 6th on the table and having a bad season, he'd get booed, his performance thread would blow up and a lot of fans would hate him even more, but its okay if its Vidic?

I can understand why you were pissed mate and fair enough he could have kept quiet about where he was gong until june but it's not as if Inter are a direct rival so he probably didn't think it would be a big deal.

But at the end of the day, Vidic had no idea in december/january that the season would go as bad as it did. Around that time we were not too far off 4th as you say for all he knew we would still have finished 2nd/3rd.

As i said had last season been successful no one would have cared in hindsight that Vidic announced he was joining Inter in January.
 
Couldn't believe it when he was hired as manager, needed someone with much more pedigree.
Having said that, was prepared to give him a chance but it gradually became clear that he was so far out of his depth and not in any way would he have brought us back to where we should be.
Mata was the only good thing to come out of last season and a lesson learnt that United are too big a club to hire mediocre managers
The funny thing is I actually think Mata was more a 'club' signing than a Moyes one....
 
Isn't that the whole point of my argument though? the captain, the leader of the team ; publicly announces a deal with Inter in JANUARY, in the club's worst season in 20+ years, i mean we were still in the race for the top 4 in January, that was highly disrespectful to me, i'd understand if it was a player like RVP - who was duped by Fergie (somewhat), not Vidic ...not our captain...

Would endless speculations for months had been better?

I don't think we should be this precious.
 
Holy Shit.

Just realised.

Jimmy Lumsden was a senior figure at United.

Think about that.

He was paid to help United play football better.

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The mind absolutely boggles
 
I honestly thought it was a wind up when the press touted Moyes as the next United manager after Fergie announced that he would be retiring, I just couldn't understand it.

He did nothing to justify such an appointment succeeding one of the greatest managers of all time.
 
Best moment. The second half of the cup? game against Swansea, when Januzaj and Kagawa looked like a really good combo down the right/centre. I thought he'd hit on something there.

Next game, they're both dropped. Idiot
 
Holy Shit.

Just realised.

Jimmy Lumsden was a senior figure at United.

Think about that.

He was paid to help United play football better.

cmf3.gif


The mind absolutely boggles

Who?

Seriously though i didn't know what this guy even looked like until after he was sacked. Never once seen him on the bench during a game.

Still don't know what his role was. Probably just an arse licker that Davey gave a job to.
 
Who?

Seriously though i didn't know what this guy even looked like until after he was sacked. Never once seen him on the bench during a game.

Still don't know what his role was. Probably just an arse licker that Davey gave a job to.

Remember Phil Neville used to wear a head set on the bench?

Well, wee Jimmy used to sit in the stands and Moyes used to communicate to him, via Phil Neville and the headset, to see if he thought if a sub should be made
 
Voted for D (waste of a season).

Voting C is out of the question. That's being way to kind on someone who did the amount of damage that Moyes did. Voting E seems too harsh. Moyes got a few things right, but getting a few things right will never be enough in management.

I think the worst part of the whole debacle was giving a five year contract to a manager who had proven through years and years of managing in the Premier League that he was, is and will always be depressingly mid-table. And that's what we would have been too if he'd been able to stay for his entire contract.

There's no way Moyes was a necessary evil to shake up the foundations after so many years under SAF. The only necessity we've had in the past two seasons has been to get someone as experienced and proven as Van Gaal to clean up the mess Moyes left. I think we'd have been fine with an inexperienced but talented manager from the beginning of the post-SAF era, but I'm glad we've got a behemoth like Van Gaal now. I'm sure he will leave the club in a better state than SAF did when his time is up, and the board will hire someone who's proven themselves worthy of the job. In that sense, hiring Moyes might have been a valuable lesson for the club, and that's as close as I'll ever come to say anything positive about his stint here.
Would the squad or the fans have been as a patient with Van Gaal had we not have had to put up with the Moyes era? I think he was a necessery punching bag, we cleared the bad out of the dressing room, shipped out the old and brought in the young and new signings in their place.
 
Remember Phil Neville used to wear a head set on the bench?

Well, wee Jimmy used to sit in the stands and Moyes used to communicate to him, via Phil Neville and the headset, to see if he thought if a sub should be made

:lol: Jesus really? Where did you hear this mate?

Moyes was more of a crack pot than i thought then, Jimmy must have rarely thought we needed a sub then as i don't know how many games we were losing and Moyesy didn't even use all his subs or if he did took an age to make them.

So Phil Neville's main job was to relay messages from Jimmy, he rarely listened to Giggs opinions and Steve Round was Steve Round. What a coaching set up Moyes put in place.
 
:lol: Jesus really? Where did you hear this mate?

Moyes was more of a crack pot than i thought then, Jimmy must have rarely thought we needed a sub then as i don't know how many games we were losing and Moyesy didn't even use all his subs or if he did took an age to make them.

So Phil Neville's main job was to relay messages from Jimmy, he rarely listened to Giggs opinions and Steve Round was Steve Round. What a coaching set up Moyes put in place.

Everywhere and anywhere.....Everton fans, United fanzines, club insiders

Dithering Dave he really was
 
Everywhere and anywhere.....Everton fans, United fanzines, club insiders

Dithering Dave he really was

I don't associate with such people or read the fanzines these days so that would explain why i hadn't heard it before.

Thanks for sharing that anecdote mate, all these little bits of info add another piece to the puzzle that was Moyes United reign. And help you better understand what an immense Clusterfeck it actually was.
 
To me there's no defense of him and his reign as our manager. It was a terrible mistake and thankfully we didn't do the "right thing" and stand by him.

He had money to spend. Many people have claimed we outbid Madrid for Bale but he chose Madrid. I believe Moyes was referring to Herrera when he said "I like to think of the clubs money as my own". Not having money is different from not spending money or not being able to land targets. Yet and still he spent over 60 million which most managers can only dream of.

You can belittle the squad all you want, but a good manager gets the most out of his players. Sir Alex did it, LvG did it with the Dutch at the World Cup and is doing it now. Moyes didn't have that ability. Go look at the starting XI that dismantled City and Liverpool. With the exception of Blind (Herrera could've been his easily) all those players were available to Moyes. Shows the gulf in class between our last 2 managers.
 
I think Moyes would still be here if he was arrogant, if he had basically said "we're shit right now, but i have a 3 year plan to conquer England and the world" he is the perfect example of "Nice guys finish last".

How can you say he isn't arrogant?

It's one of the main problems with him, he certainly isn't a nice guy, we learned that much for certain during his time here.
 
Holy Shit.

Just realised.

Jimmy Lumsden was a senior figure at United.

Think about that.

He was paid to help United play football better.

cmf3.gif


The mind absolutely boggles

feck off, I have actually just pissed myself.

I can't stop looking at it, it's like corporal Jones from Dads army.
 
The thing about the transfer business that isnt captured by what youre saying there (which I agree with BTW) is the perception of control it would have given him. That's important for the players we got rid of as much as for the ones we brought in. Basically, and its a hard thing to quantify, but to some extent Moyes may have had a better grip of the dressing room if he had moved a few people on and brought a few people in who owed their allegiance to him directly. I think this is something Van Gaal benefited from. Obviously he would command more respect anyway simply because of what he has achieved in the game. But by being decisive and shipping so many players out he reminded players who stayed they were only there because he allowed them to be there. I think that's an important psychological factor. I said earlier I dont think the players consciously downed tools and refused to play for him, but they were altogether too comfortable and a sense of entitlement crept in.

Its all a long winded way of saying sometimes when you do business in the transfer market you get a benefit from that over and above the services of the players coming in. You get a morale boost from the freshness of the squad and reinvigoration of competition for places.

But it would have been absurd to allow him to spend significant amount of money on replacing half of the team with whoever he might have liked. It would be rewarding him for finishing 7th and being utterly terrible in his first season.
 
How can you say he isn't arrogant?

It's one of the main problems with him, he certainly isn't a nice guy, we learned that much for certain during his time here.

Exactly! He was very arrogant during his time here, constantly blaming the players and even praising himself ('I got us into CL quarterfinal'). The first thing he said when he came was that he needed 5-6 world class players to conquer Europe and he didn't think he had that. He's even gone on the record saying Ferguson would have struggled too and that he had left him an ageing squad suggesting it wasn't good enough for the Big Dave.
 
But it would have been absurd to allow him to spend significant amount of money on replacing half of the team with whoever he might have liked. It would be rewarding him for finishing 7th and being utterly terrible in his first season.
I was talking about what might have happened if he'd spent the money in his first summer. Agree to much bad had happened for him to be given the money after his first season in charge.
 
Everything I have said about Moyes, I still stand by my points to this day. We wasted a full year because of his shithouse appointment.

When he said that we should aspire to "City standard", that was the worst insult I ever felt as a fan listening to our manager's comments.
 
Had a weird dream this morning. I was walking by a building where the apartments had big windows so you could see in from the street. There were lots of people in all the rooms and in one of them was Moyes with his Real Sociedad team and he was smiling smug. I was gonna shout Moyes Out when I woke up scared :lol:
 
Holy Shit.

Just realised.

Jimmy Lumsden was a senior figure at United.

Think about that.

He was paid to help United play football better.

cmf3.gif


The mind absolutely boggles
That gif :lol: Is that guy meant to be Rene Muelensteens replacement?!
 
Had a weird dream this morning. I was walking by a building where the apartments had big windows so you could see in from the street. There were lots of people in all the rooms and in one of them was Moyes with his Real Sociedad team and he was smiling smug. I was gonna shout Moyes Out when I woke up scared :lol:
its ok the evil Moyes monster will not get you.