Yes in that sense replacing SAF was very difficult. I think we can all agree that Moyes failures went beyond this. Whether his failure was "inevitable" we can but speculate.
Moyes Was Sacked One Year Ago
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Yes in that sense replacing SAF was very difficult. I think we can all agree that Moyes failures went beyond this. Whether his failure was "inevitable" we can but speculate.
Right there with you on that.
This morning I was talking about the low points of last season and made the point that as well as the football the low was actually coming on here and debating the fiasco that was unfolding with others who were saying things I felt in my heart - the frustration at the results, the sense he wasnt up to it, the dithering and the rest of it - but not acknowledging the difficulty of the situation that I understood in my head. As you said, it was a bloody difficult task and people do need to be reminded of that. Well, maybe they dont so much now as its water under the bridge, but as you said there, for me it was important to acknowledge that.
Plus it blew out of proportion last year. It is hard to be rational all the time when things are going so badly. But every time he did an interview, the level of vitriol that poured forth from us fans was out of hand. People looked for things to criticise him for. For every genuine blunder - the "I dont know what we have to do to score" or "we aspire to be at City's level" moments - there were others when all he did was spoke, saying nothing of note either good or bad, and yet people jumped on it, dissected it and found faults with it that were at best nit picking and at worst completely imaginary. People got whipped up into such a fervour. A classic example of mob mentality, really. People talking about hating him with a passion... it left a sour taste in my mouth. If there hadnt been so much of that going on I probably would have felt more comfortable about calling for his dismissal myself. As it was I was quite keen to disassociate myself from a lot of the criticism of him because it was OTT.
How exactly does this thread berate David Moyes ? we are simply reminiscing on the bad times, he didnt just fail - he was a complete disaster, are we not allowed to speak on it since its been a year and all?
There's always that one person that acts like the 'mature' one in the group..... might as well lock all the post match threads..... we lost? we won? we drew? 'get over it'.
I'll give you Chicharito (at least the Chicharito of 3 - 4 years ago). Welbeck I can't see - he could never be a midfielder in the current system - he just has the wrong skillset.
For the defence, I think that not getting rid of Rio a year earlier was a huge mistake, and Vidic and Evra were way down in terms of performance. Add to that that the "Mentality, Tactics and Preparation" issues probably stemmed, at least in part, from the intransigence of those three players, and I can't see how having them around helped anything.
At the time I actually thought the decision to give everyone a chance and not clear out the deadwood was a sound one. But all that proves is Im as much of a ditherer as Moyes, and hence, if I ever do apply for the job of managing United, the person considering my application would be wise to reject it.
Fair enough, I shouldn't have even posted really. I always get worked up when reading Moyes threads and probably should avoid them in future, I just feel sorry for the poor bloke and the abuse he cops. But you're entitled to express your opinion. Still think 'Happy Moyes Is Sacked Day!' is a cringeworthy title though
Wanted him to succeed but what was I thinking... Thank feck we're far now from his reign and effects of it.
Title is cringeworthy you're not wrong about that, last season was a really dark one for the fans, it was a stain on our history - it will be remembered forever - its just sad that it had to happen to a nice bloke like David Moyes.
Constant need to berate him? Don't know where you've gotten that from to be honest. Sure, the title is a little cringey, but it's kind of meant to be in a sarky kind of way.
EDIT: Thread title changed
Totally agree.
Bowing to what the fans want? Youre no better than Moyes!
I was going to change it after 60/70 minutes, but I think if I'd changed it some people would say 'What are you doing? You are already a poor poster and now you're doubting your most eye catching thread title'.
You should be aspiring to some of my thread titles.
One of them was changed by a mod because it sounded too much like "circle jerk". That, I think you'll agree, oozes class. And I choose my words advisedly.
Well said. It got to a point where posting in the United forum became an absolute chore. Wins were mourned as delaying Moyes' sacking, while losses... jesus.
My God, remember that thread seriously discussing whether people wanted us to lose - against Arsenal I think it was - to hasten his demise?
Extraordinary in retrospect. It was pretty mental at the time, to be fair.
The ONLY good thing about the Moyes Era is that I was super frustrated and didn't know where to vent my frustration, where to go to rant on Moyes...and then I found Redcafe...
Thanks Moyes for compelling me to sign up on Redcafe!
Thanks Moyes for compelling me to sign up on Redcafe!
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Got behind him, but knew he wasn't right for the job from the beginning. My hope was that Fergie and the others in charge of his hiring knew better than me.
I'd rather just forget about him to be honest. Half of me thinks fair enough, he was offered a big opportunity that one can't turn down. The other half is a massive feck you for damaging our club, likely knowing full well he wasn't good enough and was just hoping for the best.
The only good thing that came from him is a renewed appreciation for every win and now it'll mean more when we get our title back.
Not really. When it got to the point where results mean nothing it was just a matter of getting him out the door as quickly as possible.
I'd rather just forget about him to be honest. Half of me thinks fair enough, he was offered a big opportunity that one can't turn down. The other half is a massive feck you for damaging our club, likely knowing full well he wasn't good enough and was just hoping for the best.
The only good thing that came from him is a renewed appreciation for every win and now it'll mean more when we get our title back.
Not really. When it got to the point where results mean nothing it was just a matter of getting him out the door as quickly as possible.
You have no idea how much this forum has helped in me being sane at extreme moments of depression last year!
That was the justification. Didnt buy it then and dont buy it now.
Maybe "dont buy it" is the wrong phrase. I buy it in the sense of believing other people feel that way. I just dont see it that way. I wouldnt ever want us to lose. I always hoped for us to win, and then win again, and then win again. If he had kept winning there wouldnt have been a need to replace him. But he did lose, so we did replace him. Without me having to actually hope for it.
This.
The most baffling thing is that there's still people who think he should have or deserves to get more time haha. The man was the wrong choice from the word go, and he proved to be terribly out of his depth, should have been sacked in December.
Nice to see 13 voters looking past the trees.
It was absolutely the correct decision. I do feel sorry for him though, no matter who took over from Fergie was always going to be on a hiding to nothing.
Had a chuckle about your post....
Couldn't believe it when he was hired as manager, needed someone with much more pedigree.
Having said that, was prepared to give him a chance but it gradually became clear that he was so far out of his depth and not in any way would he have brought us back to where we should be.
Mata was the only good thing to come out of last season and a lesson learnt that United are too big a club to hire mediocre managers
Having said that, was prepared to give him a chance but it gradually became clear that he was so far out of his depth and not in any way would he have brought us back to where we should be.
Mata was the only good thing to come out of last season and a lesson learnt that United are too big a club to hire mediocre managers
He shouldn't have been given more time. No way.
Just too funny. Another of his precious observations - they should be bottled and given to Brenda.
We should ban those 13 posters.
It's funny because it's feasible, can just imagine that moment....
The Moyes fan club. Time is a meaningless measurement in management assessment. The squad didn't perform for him, the fans gave up on him, his buys hadn't worked, and the results were below average especially the record of defeats. The odd Newcastle, Stoke et al. defeat was a hiccup, twice was clumsy, but three or more was inept.
What I find funny is that it's as if fans of other teams no longer really care about what happened last season. I mean sure, they were all gloating and celebrating at the time, but I hardly hear anyone mentioning Moyes anymore.
Now it's just back to the usual moaning, which is perfectly fine by me
Now it's just back to the usual moaning, which is perfectly fine by me
How a player is viewed in that situation seems to vary according to how successful the season went to be fair.
People accuse Vidic of being disrespectful and jumping a sinking ship. Yet no one ever seemed to have a problem with Schmeichel announcing he was leaving for Sporting Lisbon mid season the year we won the Treble.
Had we won the title or CL last season would anyone have cared if Vidic made his move to Inter public in January?
Bit harsh to ask for people to be banned for having an opinion that is not popular.
I must admit though i am surprised there are still 12 people who are that deluded.
I wasnt being entirely serious, that list include @fishfingers15, whose judgement has probably been destroyed due to sleepless nights.
Isn't that the whole point of my argument though? the captain, the leader of the team ; publicly announces a deal with Inter in JANUARY, in the club's worst season in 20+ years, i mean we were still in the race for the top 4 in January, that was highly disrespectful to me, i'd understand if it was a player like RVP - who was duped by Fergie (somewhat), not Vidic ...not our captain...
Imagine if Rooney signs a deal with Juventus next january when the team is 6th on the table and having a bad season, he'd get booed, his performance thread would blow up and a lot of fans would hate him even more, but its okay if its Vidic?
Curse those spambots for voting for option 1 & 2.