Funny that after that game, it looked like Rooney was about to leave the club; now he is team captain
Moyes Was Sacked One Year Ago
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Funny that after that game, it looked like Rooney was about to leave the club; now he is team captain
But as a Professional, who is being paid millions, you are expected much more than that. They are not just playing for their manager. They are playing for the fans as well and they let us down as well as their manager.
Having said that, I get your point totally, The players' effort does go down and towards the end, they were just going through the motions and played as if they really wanted him out.
Moyes was bad. Really bad, I accept that. But to blame him solely for the players lack of professionalism in our players is just not true.
On the Daily Mirror website the majority - 65% or something - think he should have been given more time. Is that just wishful thinking from ABUs?
They're still human beings, regardless of how much they earn. I don't agree that earning millions makes you immune to the odd human behaviour.
I believe that they really did try last season. The fact that they had no tactical preparation, a manager who couldn't motivate them in the slightest and worked in turmoil made them underperform more than deliberate action. It's managers job to motivate players and get the best out of them, if they're not doing that then he's not doing his job properly.
There is no excuse for a lack of effort - that I think should be correlated with the money you earn. In the sense that, if you earn a lot of money, you have to work your arse off, especially if you are in the public eye. If you dont, expect to be lynched. Sometimes, inevitably, effort will drop, but you get paid a lot of money and people feel they pay you that money by paying theirs to watch the club. So they will get annoyed and, right or wrong, you will be heavily criticised.
But I dont think last year was about players making a conscious decision to down-tools and refuse to work for Moyes. It was a about Moyes being unable to get the best out of them and motivate them to give that tiny little bit extra that makes the difference at the top level.
I wouldnt absolve the players of all blame, but neither would I blame them in the first instance for what happened. The buck stops with the manager and he should have been able to get more out of them.
But I dont think last year was about players making a conscious decision to down-tools and refuse to work for Moyes. It was a about Moyes being unable to get the best out of them and motivate them to give that tiny little bit extra that makes the difference at the top level.
I wouldnt absolve the players of all blame, but neither would I blame them in the first instance for what happened. The buck stops with the manager and he should have been able to get more out of them.
Haha didn't we win that game?
It was a terrible performance though and my lasting memory from it was United players running it into the corner with about 10 minutes to go running down the clock to protect a 1-0 lead against fecking Norwich. Jesus wept.
This is almost as good as Cam'Ron Day.
We are having a great season, some fans are being overly sympathetic towards Moyes (it's kind of annoying), I bet they weren't screaming for more time when we let Eto'o score a Hatrick against us like it was nothing,or the Fulham game or when 'we were aspiring to be like City'.
Has to be there couldn't be that many demented United fans who read the Mirror.
We brought in an Everton-level guy thinking that if he was given a bigger stage, with more resources, he could go more. Alas Moyes never had the vision for that, so he had no clue what to do when he was given the opportunity. Instead he tried to turn us into an improved, turbocharged version of Everton.
It didn't quite work, he panicked, didn't know how to manage the players and that was that. It wasn't his fault. It's our management's fault for not finding out if he had any real vision for a bigger club who was expected to fight for trophies on all fronts.
But all the same, it was a necessary evil. I think Fergie, Charlton et al will never underestimate what is really needed to manage this club ever again. Funny thing is, Fergie probably didn't realise how good he really was. It wasn't just purely work ethic, he was also a genius at managing and motivating a bunch of world class footballers.
It didn't quite work, he panicked, didn't know how to manage the players and that was that. It wasn't his fault. It's our management's fault for not finding out if he had any real vision for a bigger club who was expected to fight for trophies on all fronts.
But all the same, it was a necessary evil. I think Fergie, Charlton et al will never underestimate what is really needed to manage this club ever again. Funny thing is, Fergie probably didn't realise how good he really was. It wasn't just purely work ethic, he was also a genius at managing and motivating a bunch of world class footballers.
Yeah I believe it was Welbz who got us that goal, we didn't create a single third-chance but Danny pressed their defender and got on 1v1 with GK. The football was incredibly slow without any creativity that year but the busy period multiplied the effect of that zombie football.. also the pitch was awful...
brrrr I need to think about something nice, so happy eventually with hiring van Gaal, we are gonna play some football and certainly win trophies too!
Happy sackday everyone!
The video is like revisiting a nightmare. 'Disappointed', 'no luck', 'the crime of letting in Goals', 'we were good in the area between the two boxes' - what a Muppet!!
Gotta be
It's good to have this day of reflection. Makes us appreciate how much better off we are now compared to the dark ages of last season.
Can't wait for some of the players to retire and write books about the Moyes Era.
The players never disrespected him publicly which shows the level of class in the club as he was alleged to have lost the dressing room, when you go from winning the league with the greatest of all time (arguably) to finishing 7th with Preston North End and Everton's former manager you'd expect at least 1 or 2 public altercations of some sort, not even Rio.
The players never disrespected him publicly which shows the level of class in the club as he was alleged to have lost the dressing room, when you go from winning the league with the greatest of all time (arguably) to finishing 7th with Preston North End and Everton's former manager you'd expect at least 1 or 2 public altercations of some sort, not even Rio.
We will try to get better, we will try to be hard to beat, City is at a level we aspire to be, Liverpool is coming as a favorite at OT....
Christ, that's almost as bad as Rodgers' "I changed the formation 3000 times in 3 minutes...so I got that goin' for me."
We tried to get to the byline.
Happy Moyes was sacked day everyone!
I voted for option D. Moyes was a poor appointment at the time and definitely did not deserve the chance to manage Manchester United, especially when you considered the names being bounced around at the time. Moyes was afforded far too much sympathy from the British press as opposed to Van Gaal (they were very quick to turn on Van Gaal as soon as results and performances were poor at the beginning of the season. Criticising his tactics and formations, none of those questions were asked of Moyes).
If we would have hired someone in the mold of Mourinho, Van Gaal or Guardiola right after Ferguson we would have never had the poor season we had last season. We did not need a year of transition. Ultimately a wasted year which gave all our rivals a head start for this season.
I voted for option D. Moyes was a poor appointment at the time and definitely did not deserve the chance to manage Manchester United, especially when you considered the names being bounced around at the time. Moyes was afforded far too much sympathy from the British press as opposed to Van Gaal (they were very quick to turn on Van Gaal as soon as results and performances were poor at the beginning of the season. Criticising his tactics and formations, none of those questions were asked of Moyes).
If we would have hired someone in the mold of Mourinho, Van Gaal or Guardiola right after Ferguson we would have never had the poor season we had last season. We did not need a year of transition. Ultimately a wasted year which gave all our rivals a head start for this season.
Realistically which candidate should we have hired?
besides Mou,Pep,Klopp and Simeone
besides Mou,Pep,Klopp and Simeone
I think the poll fails to address the fact that Moyes was hand picked by Fergie. Even though he could have turned it down, it's very unlikely most managers given that option would have said no anyway. Let's face it, the guy got a baptism of fire and was managing arguably the biggest club on the planet after a manager and record like Fergie...he was bound to make huge mistakes of which he paid the price. Hindsight is 20/20 so yeah, the right decision was made to let him go but I think the fans especially gave him a hard time.
Antonio Conte maybe Ancelotti also.
That's not entirely accurate. He was mauled for a lot of his decisions in the press.
I actually rate Conte, would still have been a gamble though.
Italians don't like working in England.
Why?
Not directly, if I remember correctly. More a question of "United are lacking their ruthlessness" or "No one really knows what United's game plan is". Van Gaal has had criticism about the formations he's used and his 'philosophy' repeatedly.
Ancelotti seemed to enjoy England or was that London?
You just reminded me of his words after we lost at Stoke. Treating it as a triumph that we'd made it to the byline 8 or 9 times. Utterly clueless.
I can see your point. Carragher wrote an article saying that Moyes was fighting the battle of Britain. If Moyes was deemed a failure at United and lost his job, that would have meant owners would have been more reluctant to hire British managers. Martin Samuel wrote that the 6 year contract meant they did't really target Moyes, believing rather naively that the 6 year deal meant United were with Moyes for the long haul. Samuel's London mates hounded AVB out of Spurs although their results under him were poor.
Yeah... Seriously it all sounds like a bad dream now. I completely blocked some stuff...
It's probably Roy Keane sitting up all night at his computer.
I'd say it was definitely ABU's there.
When we hired Moyes all other rival fans laughed and told us what a terrible appointment he'd be and then 9 months later when they were proven right they were telling us he needed more time and we should give him another year.
They wanted him to finish us off for good.
What was everyones lowest point last season? For me I think it was the Fulham game at home. That's when I thought that with him we were fecked.
So many lows to choose from.
The Fulham game does stand out. But the back to back thrashings by City and Liverpool was the real low.
The Fulham game does stand out. But the back to back thrashings by City and Liverpool was the real low.
When Liverpool and City battered us at OT with us not firing one bullet...
Although even before that it was clear we're going nowhere with Moyes.
Losing to Everton and Newcastle back to back?