This is my feeling tbh.
Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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This is my feeling tbh.
The problem in hiring Jose in this theory is that it wouldn't alleviate any pressure. If Jose didn't win a trophy inside 3 seasons and was sacked, the next job would be a poison chalice as well. If Moyes fails there will be much less pressure on the next manager, as they won't have to live up to a huge reputation.
Plus nothing can ever be as bad as last year, so there's always that solace!
Who would you pick Nev? Realistically of course.
I dont think that really matters, and I have no desire to mention names to have them picked apart by people keen to have a go at my lack of support for the appointment of Moyes.
I'll say one thing, we are constantly talked about as the biggest club in the world. Would any of our rivals for that title be quaking in their boots right now at the prospect of who is coming in to replace Ferguson?
If we had sigs, I might make this mine for a couple of days, just to avoid having to repeat it.
I'll get behind him 100% when it's confirmed. And I recognise there are qualities which make him an excellent choice - and about which I am excited. But he is not at all my first choice for the job, and I don't think it's unreasonable to say so.
Why is this being cited as pretty much a done deal by BBC and other sites? I must have missed something.
Great stuff man....I love it when someone is brutally honest on here. A ripping riposte!
He has won 15 European games if that counts for anything...
I don't think you are being overly fair in some stuff, but I cannot argue with that. No no other club will be worried about the prospect of facing David Moyes next season.
Hopefully the following season, they will though.
Picked apart like you have done Moyes?
Perhaps you are being naïve and people within the game think Moyes will do well. I've seen/heard numerous players say that Moyes is their no. 1 candidate to replace Fergie.
Because every journo in the land seems to know it is a done deal. Every journo in the land could be wrong, of course. I'd be surprised, though. There's a ridiculous amount of smoke here if there is no fire.
I'm not having a go at your lack of support for Moyes, I'm just curious as to who you (or anyone else) think would be a better replacement and why. I'm not going to lambast you for it, I genuinely want to know what other people think instead of just a load of "oh noes, not Moyes, anyone but Moyes" - Who?
I think if Jose were to come to United it would put a lot more fear in the rivals than that of Moyes being appointed, at least in the short term anyway. Once Jose goes the teams he leaves behind seem to struggle a bit - I don't know if there's stats to back that up, but it's my general feeling on it.
I have a lot of admiration for Ancelotti and would be over the moon for him to come here.
A top foreign manager, yes that's what I want. I just don't want us to sack them like Abramovich...
I hope it isn’t Moyes. He’s a decent manager and a nice of enough bloke, but he’s not for United. This club needs somebody with a higher profile, somebody who is used to winning trophies and can handle the pressure that comes with this job.
United made a number of errors in trying to replace Sir Matt Busby and we spent a couple of decades wandering in the wilderness until Sir Alex. I fear we are repeating history if we hire David Moyes, he may not be as bad as McGuinness or O’Farrell, but this reminds me of Dave Sexton’s hiring.
Everton under Moyes have never played inspiring football and no top talent is going to come to United to play under Moyes. Players will still come, because we are still Manchester United, but it will be tougher to attract top notch talent under Moyes.
United made a number of errors in trying to replace Sir Matt Busby and we spent a couple of decades wandering in the wilderness until Sir Alex. I fear we are repeating history if we hire David Moyes, he may not be as bad as McGuinness or O’Farrell, but this reminds me of Dave Sexton’s hiring.
Everton under Moyes have never played inspiring football and no top talent is going to come to United to play under Moyes. Players will still come, because we are still Manchester United, but it will be tougher to attract top notch talent under Moyes.
And given that Fergie himself is a major backer as well as likely the biggest reason behind going for Moyes, i've no doubt that its the best pick. In Fergie we trust
I wouldn't go so far as TN but I understand where he's coming from. If Moyes comes in ill fully support him, and there is no other candidate I'm completely happy with anyway. To me he is an understandable choice. What I would say though is I'm not excited about Moyes. If Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho was coming I think there'd be more of a buzz. Still sadness at SAF leaving, but excitement about what the future might hold, which might be in short supply if we do go with Moyes.
Why on earth will he be like a starstruck teen? Do you know him well?
That's what sticks with me as well , and gives me a very slight hope.
Perhaps, but he is quite possibly the only manager in the world who is capable of putting his stamp on the club, and has the experience and the personality to deal with the criticism that is bound to come the way of anyone who gets the job. For what it's worth, people seem to be forgetting that SAF will still be around the club. If Moyes needs advice on how to deal with the pressure, or how to handle certain situations that he won't have been in before, he has the ideal man to turn to.
As I said earlier, whoever gets the job will have my backing, and I expect the majority feel the same.
At least he plays good attacking football and has plenty of European experience and trophies under his belt....
How the hell did he get the job, I seriously just can't get my head around it. The only thing he's got is the fact he stayed at Everton for 12 years, that seems to be enough to get one of the biggest jobs in football. Bizarre.
How the hell did he get the job, I seriously just can't get my head around it. The only thing he's got is the fact he stayed at Everton for 12 years, that seems to be enough to get one of the biggest jobs in football. Bizarre.
One of United's strength and advantages over its rivals has been the continuity of manager, staff and players.
"United's desire to secure Moyes took Everton by surprise with the Merseyside club feeling aggrieved that they did not receive the courtesy of an official approach from the champions. However, as Moyes's contract with Everton expires on 30 June United were not required to do so.
The news had been so unexpected at Goodison Park that until 2pm on Wednesday, four hours after Ferguson made his decision public, Everton's chairman, Bill Kenwright, had no idea that Moyes was wanted by United."
The news had been so unexpected at Goodison Park that until 2pm on Wednesday, four hours after Ferguson made his decision public, Everton's chairman, Bill Kenwright, had no idea that Moyes was wanted by United."
Pros:
- Angry and Scottish
- Cheaper
- Hates Mancini
- Punnable name, prime for chants.
Cons:
- May not be very good at winning trophies
- Angry and Scottish
- Cheaper
- Hates Mancini
- Punnable name, prime for chants.
Cons:
- May not be very good at winning trophies
Slowly but surely I am warming to the idea. Moyes comes across as passionate, ambitious, driven and hard working. He is not a phoney that's for sure, he is honest as they come and will demand a lot from his players with little regard for reputation I'd imagine. The team spirit shown at Everton really bodes well too. If he doesn't have the players respect from the start I'm confident he'll earn it quick enough.
People complaining about his style of play are being harsh IMO. He will have all the resources in the world at United and can decide to play whatever brand of football he sees fit; who's to say he doesn't relish the idea of having so many talented players at his disposal and that he wouldn't want to play in an attractive style given the opportunity?
Wait and see is my motto here, I'll certainly support him if he does indeed get the job.
People complaining about his style of play are being harsh IMO. He will have all the resources in the world at United and can decide to play whatever brand of football he sees fit; who's to say he doesn't relish the idea of having so many talented players at his disposal and that he wouldn't want to play in an attractive style given the opportunity?
Wait and see is my motto here, I'll certainly support him if he does indeed get the job.
Yeah, I get that, and I agree. I mean that for the first season or two, we can't expect to be winning the thing. I'd love it if we did, obviously, and the signings we make this season will hugely dictate our success, but when you look at Bayern and see how dominant they've been this season and how much they're going to strengthen this summer, we would hardly expect to win it even with SAF at the helm. I think a good league(and I mean winning it or running the eventual winner close) and a domestic cup would be a good first season. Then, when it all settles down we can start to expect more in Europe.
Mmm, thats interesting. You'd think either United or Moyes himself would let Kenwright know what's happening... That doesn't seem to add up.
It's only one but extremely strong con.
I'm sort of the same, albeit I'll start to get more excited if I see him playing a more progressive brand of football, as that's really my only concern with him. The rest will, I suspect, come if he's given time and patience to make his own way at the club.
I might not think he's the cast-iron certainty of success that some do on here but he's obviously a good manager and one that has a lot of potential, so once he's in our dugout I'll be desperate for him to succeed. I don't think acknowledging doubts based on what we've seen from him in the past is out of order, though. In fact, I can't really get my head around supporters not having some doubts, however small, based on his time at Everton.
Its worth remembering what shape Everton were in when he arrived. They were shite, no strangers to relegation dogfights. He took them to regular top 6. Put another way, he won the Everyone But The Top 5 Cup a shitload of times. Rags to riches. So who said he had never won anything?
Well he's a very lucky boy isn't he?
I'm warming to the idea; let's have no doubt that SAF will have been able to hand-pick his successor. The Glazer's would certainly have deferred to his unparalleled knowledge. If SAF thinks that David Moyes is the best man for the job then in SAF I continue to trust.
The problem with finding a manager with experience winning trophies is that SAF has been winning most of them for a long time.
Wenger, Mourinho, Mancini, Roman Abramovich's latest pet ...
And if you go abroad to find someone experienced at winning trophies, then they will lack experience of the Premiership and of the culture and traditions in England.
No one checks all the boxes, no one can fill the gaffer's shoes.
Wenger, Mourinho, Mancini, Roman Abramovich's latest pet ...
And if you go abroad to find someone experienced at winning trophies, then they will lack experience of the Premiership and of the culture and traditions in England.
No one checks all the boxes, no one can fill the gaffer's shoes.
I think we should be aiming for one of the European heavyweights. Someone with a pedigree of winning trophies and competing at the highest level, both domestic and in Europe. We're Manchester United, we're losing the best in the business and we should be looking to replace him with an elite manager with a proven track record.
Look, I can see the reasons in choosing Moyes. It's a brave decision and I respect the fact that we're giving a "lesser name" a chance. I'm just not sure the time to do that is when you're replacing the best out there.
Not on his own, hopefully he will manage to create a team and a squad capable of doing so.
Fergies mini me.
Moyes is the man. Football Manager says so:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-moyes-best-man-manchester-1876913
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-moyes-best-man-manchester-1876913
Why do you want a foreign manager?
I remember having this conversation with someone years ago. If it would be SAF's choice, or if someone else had a final say, he would just be consulted. I actually incline towards the latter.
He will begin the long transitional era of this club. Hopefully it won't be as long as that of the scousers.
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