It confuses me that Gill talked of our next manager having the European experience, and then appointing Moyes...the timing of everything suggested Mourinho but he never seems to have even been in contention.
Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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Would you have said Di Matteo would be the first Chelsea manager to win the CL?
It's not a question of being happy.The pb is a lot of people think there are two sides to this issue, either being extremely disappointed by Moyes as a coach or being happy.Just saying that some of us are in a "wait and see" mode.I'm not happy nor unhappy
Not much booing, only against Blackburn in the carling cup tie. In general our fans are fantastic to our players and staff.
Any manager can win it, are you really going to claim that because Moyes hasn't left Everton for a decade he can't win the european cup? Conte at Juventus came from the second division, Klopp at Dortmund came from mid table obscurity. Moyes is an unknown quantity.
The only 'safe' part about it is that he is the sort of manager who would probably stick around for a long while if he was successful, but that of course means that he has to actually be successful. Very risky appointment in my opinion, but looks likely now anyway. Ah well, could be Benitez eh? We can always keep that in mind.
Maybe, maybe I'm one of those that's gone over the top, though I don't think I have.
and spends shed loads of money,pisses off everyone while patently failing to win the UCL with the most expensive squad,getting outplayed by a team with largely homewgrown players....... and and ....we could go on.
It's a spurious argument
So you have a very low opinion of United? You think being English champions just is not enough?
Christ.
I just think that bit in his statement wasn't perfectly worded. You could twist it around to mean the candidate has to have enough football experience to prepare him for domestic and European competitions.
Ask yourself which section of fans booed Giggs...
Di Matteo came from being sacked at WBA and nearly taking them down to winning 2 trophies
It's a gamble and the safe option according to some of you.
What bearing does this have on anything?
I haven't really noticed anything but that chap I quoted has been sulking all over the place.
Yes, absolutely no reason why not.
Guardiola had no pedigree until he won it neither had Mourinho till Porto won it (and should have gone out at OT with Scholes' goal).
There is absolutely no guarantee of success with a big name, why would there be.
Completely different. He had to rely on a lot of luck to win it, a level of luck you only see once or twice every decade if you're lucky. Not really a legitimate argument to use if I'm being honest.
Other past winners include Roy Hodgson, Alan Pardew, Alan Curbishley and Steve Coppell. How many of them do you think deserved the chance to manage a big club?
I've said it earlier that I'll support him if he ends up our manager but I don't see why some people can't comprehend why people would be underwhelmed by his appointment. The fact that you're bringing up LMA awards to big him up does more for my argument than it does yours, no harm to you like.
A bunch of no mark cnuts who couldn't appreciate how good we'd become
He's won it on three separate occasions, though.
I agree with most of what you've said, apart from the bolded bits.
I don't think they picked (if they have) Moyes as he has a similar background to Fergie, although it is good that he is a man that has a similar upbringing and seems to have a good relationship with Fergie. But I think he is being picked on his merits and similar traits to Sir Alex, rather than his upbringing. It seems absurd to think they would employ someone based on their upbringing.
If it does all go tits up in a couple of years, and it could with Moyes or any other manager, I'm sure we will still have enough clout to pull in another good manager. feck knows how many managers will be sacked in the next two years, never mind those running out of contract etc etc.
..you'll find them leaving Old Trafford at the 80-minute mark, groaning instead of backing the team, asking people to sit down and not sing... and in the transfer forum.
No, but thats not what will measure his success here. I will base his time here on the league, and if he does manage to stay here for a few years with success, thats when we can start to expect him to make an impact on the CL. I mean a real impact, like semi-finals/finals/champions.
Yep, it's an unbelievably dull yet insanely reckless appointment.
I suspect United are so scared of appearing to lose the accepted "values" of the club that Moyes was probably the only candidate they dared to consider. I suppose he also has more to prove than any of the other names on the hypothetical shortlist.
One thing I am certain of....United will either make or break him as a manager. Let us pray it is the former.
One thing I am certain of....United will either make or break him as a manager. Let us pray it is the former.
We have very good fans. It's not often when we draw or lose you hear any booing at Old Trafford. I'm not worried one bit about Moyes being targeted if we start the league bad.
We are not Newcastle fans who boo their team every time they drop points or play bad.
We are not Newcastle fans who boo their team every time they drop points or play bad.
That surprises happen. He went from W.B.A to winning the CL. Who would have thought that could happen. Moyes might do a great job and we won't know until he tries. Every managerial appointment is a risk. Liverpool thought King Kenny was going to bring back the glory days. Chelsea are hoping that Jose does that, it could backfire big time and that could wreck his reputation.
Although with Chelsea I have no idea what they want as they sack managers even when they win something.
Yeah but have any of them won it three times? Only two people have done that, Fergie and Moyes, that's a good indication of how good a job he's been viewed as doing at Everton considering he's got that in less than half the time Fergie did.
I don't really see how the LMA award brings down my argument. Surely being highly regarded by your peers is as good an indication as you could get?
I've no problem with people not being hugely excited by his appointment but I don't get those who are saying he's not done anything to suggest he has the talent to step up/or isn't good enough etc.
I posted this earlier, but I'm posting it again.
I do understand that it may be underwhelming to some, but realistically who else would you pick and why? Be sensible too.
I do understand that it may be underwhelming to some, but realistically who else would you pick and why? Be sensible too.
Yeah maybe so, I think that quote came from a tv interview so he was maybe put on the spot a bit.
What makes a management appointment 'dull' ffs.
Chelsea have had lots of 'exciting' appointments in the last 5 years .... top foreign managers, world cup winners, European Cup winners etc none have lasted more than 5 minutes ... is that what you want?
They also thought Woy was going to be a good appointment after all he managed in Europe and he speaks Norwegian
You're hitting your head against a brick wall with some.
We're fecking Manchester United, we shouldn't be hoping for luck and surprises.
Is Norwegian handy when listening to scousers.
Yes, it means you don't have to listen to them
He's the sensible choice.
Crow all you like about how it should be Mourinho, but he'd come in, spend money to get instant success and piss of after 3 seasons.
Klopp isn't experienced enough.
Yes, there are concerns re Moyes but he's probably the best man for the job.
Invests in youth, has a policy of picking up decent players and getting the very best out of them, will probably continue what Fergie has done in terms of this being a family club with everyone in it together.
It is well documented that Fergie goes and chats with the ladies who clean the kits, and the canteen staff etc. All of that fosters a spirit of togetherness that someone like Mourinho would not continue. I think Moyes will. It isn't just about getting the squad to play for you, anyone who thinks that can't see beyond the end of their nose. It is about Manchester UNITED. Everyone pulling in the same direction.
If Moyes can continue to harness that and find success on the pitch we'll be well placed.
Crow all you like about how it should be Mourinho, but he'd come in, spend money to get instant success and piss of after 3 seasons.
Klopp isn't experienced enough.
Yes, there are concerns re Moyes but he's probably the best man for the job.
Invests in youth, has a policy of picking up decent players and getting the very best out of them, will probably continue what Fergie has done in terms of this being a family club with everyone in it together.
It is well documented that Fergie goes and chats with the ladies who clean the kits, and the canteen staff etc. All of that fosters a spirit of togetherness that someone like Mourinho would not continue. I think Moyes will. It isn't just about getting the squad to play for you, anyone who thinks that can't see beyond the end of their nose. It is about Manchester UNITED. Everyone pulling in the same direction.
If Moyes can continue to harness that and find success on the pitch we'll be well placed.
Can you knock this shit on the head? The people not excited by this, are disappointed, or underwhelmed, are getting a bad rap here today, for voicing a reasonable honest opinion.
We've just lost Ferguson, and might get someone many of us don't rate as good enough to manage a club of our stature. Forgive us for not pulling somersaults.
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