Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

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That stat that Giigsforever just posted is more than disturbing. You would think the little jitbag could have won one. My hatred is growing by leaps and bounds.
 
noodlehair said:
I've decided I wouldn't mind Moyes. It'd be quite underwhelming, and I don't think it'd work because too many people wouldn't give him a chance...but then I don't think anyone would work really.

Moyes has shown he's loyal, he's not a quitter, he can turn things around if it does go awry, and he's also got a team playing pretty good football with very little resource, over too long a period of time for it to just be a fluke rather than method.

He's also got that sort of fighting toughness and the ability to imprint it on his teams. Something I think we've always had under Fergie and which is one of the things that gives United an edge.

It doesn't make him comparable to Fergie obviously, but there's enough there for him to be a legitimate candidate, for me at least.

The most valid argument I've heard against him is the lack of European pedigree, but if you go down that route you really start to limit your options, and mostly to people who just aren't suited to the sort of stability and consistency United's success is built on. No one has consistent success in Europe. Not Jose or even Fergie himself.

Plus, we're not really looking for someone with a massive ego to come in and build everything up from scratch, then feck off when they get bored. We're looking for someone who can carry on with the work that's already been done and not let the foundations start crumbling.
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All of that sounds rather safe and unambitious. He's got fire in his belly for sure. But why not go for someone who rather than just being loyal brings top pedigree in the football his teams play and in succeed at the highest level? With football changing and teams like barca, Dortmund and bayern bringing new interesting ideas, I'm afraid a choice like moyes looks a bit stale in comparison. Elsewhere teams are innovating and evolving and well have David moyes and his "fire" who builds a team of "tryers" (of course I, exaggerating).
 
FlawlessThaw said:
I never said it was a knee-jerk appointment. This is the total opposite of knee-jerk as you can get.

I think with Moyes you know he will get us into top 4 consistently which is the key thing that matters from a monetary point of view so while he is an uninspired choice I can't see him costing the club much. The club may consider Moyes a safe option and the overall cost-benefit for a more expensive manager may not be that worthwhile. There are a lot of factors considered.
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I'm certain that we are not a club that will view 'consistent top 4' as any barometer of success.
 
charleysurf said:
If David Moyes had managed Celtic or Rangers, and got the easy trophies they get, then he'd tick your boxes?

Neil Lennon would tick your fecking boxes?
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You've completely missed the point! He was managing Aberdeen not one of the big boys and still won trophies! Jesus wept!
 
All 3 United said:
At Aberdeen, SAF went on to win 3 league championships, 4 Scottish cups, 1 scottish league cup, a Uefa cups winners cup and a Uefa super cup.

Aberdeen remain the last team to win the Scottish league outside the old firm.

We signed a manager who had a proven track record of winning against all the odds and also had European experience.

David Moyes does not tick any of those boxes.
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The odds would say Everton should be relegated from the PL and go bankrupt nearly every single year.

I find it a bit absurd to compare Moyes to Ferguson and write him off on that basis.

Sir Alex Ferguson is probably the greatest manager of any sports team ever. Whoever we get, isn't going to be as good. People just need to realise that quite quickly.
 
Barbara Charles said:
That stat that Giigsforever just posted is more than disturbing. You would think the little jitbag could have won one. My hatred is growing by leaps and bounds.
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hatred?

I for one welcome the coming bandwagon clear out when Moyes is announced.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
I was 75% happy with knowing that Moyes will most likely be our next manager, but I'm more or less 99% after hearing Neville now. It will make sense if it's him. We need a stable manager who will hopefully be with us for as long as possible - Mourinho wouldn't be that type of manager. He'll jump from club to club once he believes his job is done.

No doubt Fergie would have recommended Moyes, as well as Mourinho most likely, so I'll be satisfied seeing him next season.
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I agree with this I think Moyes will be ideal for bringing the kids through, will understand and want to continue the traditions of Manchester United and will bring the same determination that SAF has.

Our success has been based on stability not a fly by night manager who will almost certainly leave the squad in a worse position than he found it.

Of course some people have become spoilt and want instant success ...... We might not get it. I would rather we continue to build for long term success, play good football.... I think Moyes has his team playing well beyond their individual skills.

David Moyes red and white army

Has a ring to it I think.
 
Bilbo said:
I'm certain that we are not a club that will view 'consistent top 4' as any barometer of success.
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It's a bare minimum not a "success". Moyes will deliver the bare minimum, I'm certain of that. Hopefully he can deliver more.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
It's a pathetic return. You'd expect a decent team like Everton to win fairly frequently against the best sides. No excuse for such an abysmal record.
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It is away from home. Which decent side win fairly frequently against 'big four' away from home.
 
Lets get on boards with Moyes. He's as 1/10 with the bookies. Christ, even Frankle never went off at 1/10. He's a certainty.

So look, were not Chelsea fans or Liverpool fans who jump on a managers back. Luckily we haven't had to be, but lets not become one of those clubs now. Lets get behind Moyes and if we don't win anything this year or next, but can see progress then lets keep behind him. We have been spoiled for 20 years, winning trophy after trophy, year after year. That is impossible to carry on. No matter who comes in, they won't be as successful as Sir Alex.

If his reign becomes disasterous, then we as fans have every right to ask for change, but lets let him have his chance and row in behind him. Chelsea fans booing Benitez were a joke. So were Liverpool fans with their treatment of Hodgson. Lets trust our club to appoint the right man and if they choose Moyes, then for me, he's the right man.
 
noodlehair said:
The odds would say Everton should be relegated from the PL and go bankrupt nearly every single year.

I find it a bit absurd to compare Moyes to Ferguson and write him off on that basis.

Sir Alex Ferguson is probably the greatest manager of any sports team ever. Whoever we get, isn't going to be as good. People just need to realise that quite quickly.
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I'm not writing him off. Just pointing out to those saying, some didn't want SAF in 1986, that we were signing a proven winner.

Yes I have massive reservations over Moyes but how do you follow SAF? Well a good start would be to listen to his recommendation and if that's Moyes, who are us mortals to disagree.
 
noodlehair said:
The odds would say Everton should be relegated from the PL and go bankrupt nearly every single year.

I find it a bit absurd to compare Moyes to Ferguson and write him off on that basis.

Sir Alex Ferguson is probably the greatest manager of any sports team ever. Whoever we get, isn't going to be as good. People just need to realise that quite quickly.
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Everton have pretty good side. It would take a shit manager to get them into a relegation battle let alone relegated.

If we've seen zombie football under sir Alex in recent times, I dread to see what style of football moyes serves up.
 
When we signed Ashley Young my reaction was "yeah he's pretty decent and reliable, probably won't let us down, but theres better players than him out there."

That's kind of how I feel about Moyes taking over from Fergie.

It's a fairly non-risky appointment where we seem to be prioritising somebody's ability to fit into our club culture over how good they really are.

Works most of the time. Fingers crossed it works again.
 
RexHamilton said:
Lets get on boards with Moyes. He's as 1/10 with the bookies. Christ, even Frankle never went off at 1/10. He's a certainty.

So look, were not Chelsea fans or Liverpool fans who jump on a managers back. Luckily we haven't had to be, but lets not become one of those clubs now. Lets get behind Moyes and if we don't win anything this year or next, but can see progress then lets keep behind him. We have been spoiled for 20 years, winning trophy after trophy, year after year. That is impossible to carry on. No matter who comes in, they won't be as successful as Sir Alex.

If his reign becomes disasterous, then we as fans have every right to ask for change, but lets let him have his chance and row in behind him. Chelsea fans booing Benitez were a joke. So were Liverpool fans with their treatment of Hodgson. Lets trust our club to appoint the right man and if they choose Moyes, then for me, he's the right man.
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The trouble is a lot of us don't trust the people that run our club.

That said, it will help nobody to get on the new managers case from the off.

The media for one will be itching for it to go tits up. You've seen how they are with United goalkeepers since Schmeichel, never mind someone coming in to replace Ferguson. It will take a very strong character to follow in those footsteps. I think that's the most important quality of all.
 
Revan said:
It is away from home. Which decent side win fairly frequently against 'big four' away from home.
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In the Sir Alex Ferguson era we've gone away to the best team (other than us) in the league 26 times, and won only four of them.
 
noodlehair said:
The odds would say Everton should be relegated from the PL and go bankrupt nearly every single year.

I find it a bit absurd to compare Moyes to Ferguson and write him off on that basis.

Sir Alex Ferguson is probably the greatest manager of any sports team ever. Whoever we get, isn't going to be as good. People just need to realise that quite quickly.
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No they don't.

I don't know why everyone is suddenly pretending Everton are Wigan or something, they're not rich but they have some financial clout.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
All of that sounds rather safe and unambitious. He's got fire in his belly for sure. But why not go for someone who rather than just being loyal brings top pedigree in the football his teams play and in succeed at the highest level? With football changing and teams like barca, Dortmund and bayern bringing new interesting ideas, I'm afraid a choice like moyes looks a bit stale in comparison. Elsewhere teams are innovating and evolving and well have David moyes and his "fire" who builds a team of "tryers" (of course I, exaggerating).
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I think it's unfair to say Moyes isn't capable of incorporating new ideas into a team or improving them by learning lessons from elsewhere.

Everton are a very good football team. Incredibly so given their resources. It's not like they don't play or just resort to "trying" or spoiler tactics.

With the resources he has, Moyes would have every excuse to have them play that way, but actually I'd have them in my top 5 favourite English teams to watch.

He wouldn't be my first choice, I really like Klopp...Moyes though does tick a lot of the boxes in terms of the set up United have and what would be suited, and his record as a manager is consistent. That's important if the club are looking long term.

It's unfair and a bit silly to just write him off I think. He might be a safe bet but he might also be a sensible and good one.

Someone like Mourinho would come in, grab the headlines. Then we might have a three year circus and a big mess to clean up afterwards. IN fact there's no evidence with Mourinho to suggest anything other than this would happen. I'd rather Moyes try and fail than that.
 
United's success is no more down to one man. SAF has done a lot to build a stable and solid structure around the club with firm values and a philosophy based on investment in youth and long-term planning. Everything will not crumble at once after he is gone especially if the next manager does not try to rebuild everything from the ground. If Moyes becomes our manager, he will not take over a club where everything is to be done like it was the case when SAF first came. He will be surrounded with people who have learned a lot from SAF with the great man himself not far off. We will be fine as long as the new manager's vision is compatible with our philosophy.
 
Revan said:
It is away from home. Which decent side win fairly frequently against 'big four' away from home.
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Yeah it's a silly thing being thrown around. Spurs went 68 games without winning away to the same four clubs. Their record atm is 4 wins from 80 something.
Newcastle also had a terrible record until they won 2-0 at the Bridge last year, they'd not won at the Big four before last Spring since 2001.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Everton have pretty good side. It would take a shit manager to get them into a relegation battle let alone relegated.

If we've seen zombie football under sir Alex in recent times, I dread to see what style of football moyes serves up.
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Do you watch Everton a lot. They've played better football than United this season. United have more exciting players who can produce those "wow" moments, but Everton are a surprisingly good side to watch.


NinjaFletch said:
No they don't.

I don't know why everyone is suddenly pretending Everton are Wigan or something, they're not rich but they have some financial clout.
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They really don't. Financially they have no right to be a PL team.

Wigan probably wont be next season.
 
Well, if he's appointed I'm going to get right behind him. Ferguson obviously sees a lot in him and for that reason alone Moyes deserves the fans support in his efforts to continue the success of this club. The trouble is that most fans these days have only known Ferguson at the helm so any poor fecker coming in is on a bit of a hiding to nothing no matter what their previous reputation.
 
noodlehair said:
I think it's unfair to say Moyes isn't capable of incorporating new ideas into a team or improving them by learning lessons from elsewhere.

Everton are a very good football team. Incredibly so given their resources. It's not like they don't play or just resort to "trying" or spoiler tactics.

With the resources he has, Moyes would have every excuse to have them play that way, but actually I'd have them in my top 5 favourite English teams to watch.

He wouldn't be my first choice, I really like Klopp...Moyes though does tick a lot of the boxes in terms of the set up United have and what would be suited, and his record as a manager is consistent. That's important if the club are looking long term.

It's unfair and a bit silly to just write him off I think. He might be a safe bet but he might also be a sensible and good one.

Someone like Mourinho would come in, grab the headlines. Then we might have a three year circus and a big mess to clean up afterwards. IN fact there's no evidence with Mourinho to suggest anything other than this would happen. I'd rather Moyes try and fail than that.
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Who are you and what have you done with noodle?
 
Everton did manage to beat both ourselves and city at home this season. As for the stat away top teams, what would impress people? Saying a win or two would mean that he got some flakey results and wouldn't mean much. At the same time, saying around 10 would not be possible.

The glazers probably want someone who won't rock the ship much. I don't blame them for that. Why would you want to change what we have going for us?
 
NinjaFletch said:
No they don't.

I don't know why everyone is suddenly pretending Everton are Wigan or something, they're not rich but they have some financial clout.
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Everton in last 10 years have a net spend of 8,634,000 pounds

Wigan during the same period has a net spend of - 135000 pounds.

The difference between these two teams in transfers during last 10 years is around 9 million pounds, a little more than a million per year. Not that much difference.
 
Bah, it's all very underwhelming, and I can't say that I'm too happy at the moment... but what the feck do I know? I actually had a hunch it would be Klopp, but there hasn't really been anything in that at all.

What system will he play? What new signings will he make? What types of players will he be able to attract?

Meh. Disappointed, but looking forward to giving SAF a proper sending off on Sunday.
 
We've managed only a small handful of wins away against top four sides ourselves. I can't believe people are using that stat against him. He has kept Everton regularly in the top half of the table (often better than that too). Regularly being the key word - as in, this is no fluke, this bloke actually knows what he's doing.
 
Moyes knows the league, the club and the players.

He has done a good job at Everton, and got the team playing good football at times. He has been good in the transfer market, and proven more than once to have a good eye for promising players.

Why not?

Stable, respected, documented results, relatively young and proven loyal.
 
Sixpence said:
Cheap. Glazernomics at its finest.
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Blah. Either jumping on bandwagon or an irrational post.

Glazers want money, money comes with success. They would never sign someone just for being cheap, if that means that they will lose much more money during the years of his spell.
 
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