I agree but my point was that what makes him the outstanding candidate? It's certainly not his record. It's just
to me the whole fecking day.Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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I agree but my point was that what makes him the outstanding candidate? It's certainly not his record. It's just
to me the whole fecking day.Yeah you get the feeling Moyes would be starting with a handicap. But the club have shown in the past they're prepared to be patient and stick with a manager, despite pressure from the fans and press. Moyes will also have SAF to stick up for him if things don't go too well. A bit like how he had Charlton.
Posted in other thread but applies here as well.
People who want Mourinho need to realise he will first cost a bomb to break his contract with Madrid unless he resigns and second command big wages. Do people want to spend all our transfer allowance on a manager and have nothing left to improve the squad? City, Chelsea, PSG and Madrid can afford to throw silly money around, we cannot. Plus Mourinho will want to spend alot and has made some expensive failures of signings. SAF has on most (I say most) occasions tried to be prudent and spend wisely.
Klupp will cost a bit as well however I'm not really sure about his transfer policy. If SAF has recommended Moyes then that will carry some clout with the board and he is out of contract to boot. He is inexperienced with major players and in Europe however SAF seems to rate him highly and thinks he can be a success and I imagine he will not want his hard work and solid foundations to come to nothing.
People who want Mourinho need to realise he will first cost a bomb to break his contract with Madrid unless he resigns and second command big wages. Do people want to spend all our transfer allowance on a manager and have nothing left to improve the squad? City, Chelsea, PSG and Madrid can afford to throw silly money around, we cannot. Plus Mourinho will want to spend alot and has made some expensive failures of signings. SAF has on most (I say most) occasions tried to be prudent and spend wisely.
Klupp will cost a bit as well however I'm not really sure about his transfer policy. If SAF has recommended Moyes then that will carry some clout with the board and he is out of contract to boot. He is inexperienced with major players and in Europe however SAF seems to rate him highly and thinks he can be a success and I imagine he will not want his hard work and solid foundations to come to nothing.
Or players.Maybe why RVP gave SAF that hug.
Do you think there's even the remotest possibility that we'll not be in the top 4 next season?
Under Sir Alex, no chance; under Moyes, it's not beyond the realms of possibility.
That's far from impressive
With the budget he had in EPL, it is impressive.
Well I have my unimpressed face on.
What exactly do you base this on?
I think the fact that we've spent big on the right players proves we are easily able to throw silly money around. The 'issue', which isn't even an issue is that we're not prepared to throw silly money around for silly players. And rightly so.
Probably rubbish but when he went to madrid their was talk of a United release clause.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...-to-join-Manchester-United-article442105.html
The club was not owned by the Glazers back then.
There is beyond every possibility that we won't finish in top 3 next season, let alone top 4.
I agree that he isn't the best man for the job, but some people need to have some perspective. He is not Alex McLeish or Big Sam FFS.
I was 75% happy with knowing that Moyes will most likely be our next manager, but I'm more or less 99% after hearing Neville now. It will make sense if it's him. We need a stable manager who will hopefully be with us for as long as possible - Mourinho wouldn't be that type of manager. He'll jump from club to club once he believes his job is done.
No doubt Fergie would have recommended Moyes, as well as Mourinho most likely, so I'll be satisfied seeing him next season.
No doubt Fergie would have recommended Moyes, as well as Mourinho most likely, so I'll be satisfied seeing him next season.
You need to understand that he had to work on a very limited budget every year, at times even selling more than buying. It is a decent stat for a manager who has worked in a mid table club. Will this stat be enough for us? Not, even close. But he has done well at Everton.
What I meant was we cant do City, Chelsea and Madrid and afford to spend hundreds of millions on failed talent and then just offload them and do it again.
Not good enough Revan. Roberto Martinez has done well all things considered but good enough for us? Not even if pigs are flying.
The quality of the manager is much more important than how long he'll be willing to stay at the club. He has to be good enough for us before we hope he stick around.
It's called managing my expectation after this dreadful day... haven't felt this bad for a long long time, a lot worse than that Aguero goal last year...
Correct the first is a pre-requisite for the second. We will know soon enough I guess and will get behind whoever it is.
People who want Mourinho, on the whole, don't think about such technicalities...
Exactly!!
This sort of indicates that we've gone for the cheap option which is what I sort of intimated earlier on in this thread.
So in modern football has anyone actually gone to a top club on the back of relative success with a midtable club an actually done well? It hasn't really happened often anyway, but the ones that have, have been a disaster, right?
I think this would be a terrible move, which is why I honestly still can't see it happening.
I think this would be a terrible move, which is why I honestly still can't see it happening.
The one thing we should be supremely confident about with Moyes is that he wouldn't waste our money. He has a very good record in the transfer market.
Yeah, bet that's happened a lot in football.
I'd be happy with Moyes, are people really complaining about him being a step down from SAF? To all of you I say "No shit, genius".
I mean seriously. fecking duh.
I said that he is not my top choice (not even in top 3) but he has done excellent at Everton with those resources he has, and I doubt that someone else would have done better. The stats are good enough for a team like Everton, who have a net spend in transfers last 20 years probably lower than us this summer.
How about this stat away against Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and United:
Played 50
Won 0
Draw 18
Lost 32
Wenger has a very good record too.... but not in winning trophies.
I've decided I wouldn't mind Moyes. It'd be quite underwhelming, and I don't think it'd work because too many people wouldn't give him a chance...but then I don't think anyone would work really.
Moyes has shown he's loyal, he's not a quitter, he can turn things around if it does go awry, and he's also got a team playing pretty good football with very little resource, over too long a period of time for it to just be a fluke rather than method.
He's also got that sort of fighting toughness and the ability to imprint it on his teams. Something I think we've always had under Fergie and which is one of the things that gives United an edge.
It doesn't make him comparable to Fergie obviously, but there's enough there for him to be a legitimate candidate, for me at least.
The most valid argument I've heard against him is the lack of European pedigree, but if you go down that route you really start to limit your options, and mostly to people who just aren't suited to the sort of stability and consistency United's success is built on. No one has consistent success in Europe. Not Jose or even Fergie himself.
Plus, we're not really looking for someone with a massive ego to come in and build everything up from scratch, then feck off when they get bored. We're looking for someone who can carry on with the work that's already been done and not let the foundations start crumbling.
Moyes has shown he's loyal, he's not a quitter, he can turn things around if it does go awry, and he's also got a team playing pretty good football with very little resource, over too long a period of time for it to just be a fluke rather than method.
He's also got that sort of fighting toughness and the ability to imprint it on his teams. Something I think we've always had under Fergie and which is one of the things that gives United an edge.
It doesn't make him comparable to Fergie obviously, but there's enough there for him to be a legitimate candidate, for me at least.
The most valid argument I've heard against him is the lack of European pedigree, but if you go down that route you really start to limit your options, and mostly to people who just aren't suited to the sort of stability and consistency United's success is built on. No one has consistent success in Europe. Not Jose or even Fergie himself.
Plus, we're not really looking for someone with a massive ego to come in and build everything up from scratch, then feck off when they get bored. We're looking for someone who can carry on with the work that's already been done and not let the foundations start crumbling.
Moyes has been in contention for this job for a few years now. It won't be a knee-jerk appointment if we do hire him, and the club wouldn't be so incredibly stupid to settle for an inferior manager just to save some money. The difference in cost of appointing Mourinho compared to Moyes is peanuts in comparison with what the wrong appointment could end up costing the club.
Surely this stuff is obvious?
At Aberdeen, SAF went on to win 3 league championships, 4 Scottish cups, 1 scottish league cup, a Uefa cups winners cup and a Uefa super cup.
Aberdeen remain the last team to win the Scottish league outside the old firm.
We signed a manager who had a proven track record of winning against all the odds and also had European experience.
David Moyes does not tick any of those boxes.
Aberdeen remain the last team to win the Scottish league outside the old firm.
We signed a manager who had a proven track record of winning against all the odds and also had European experience.
David Moyes does not tick any of those boxes.
Irrelevant
They haven't been quick to change coaches at the Bucs. (Even Raheem Morris got 3 seasons.)
I never said it was a knee-jerk appointment. This is the total opposite of knee-jerk as you can get.
I think with Moyes you know he will get us into top 4 consistently which is the key thing that matters from a monetary point of view so while he is an uninspired choice I can't see him costing the club much. The club may consider Moyes a safe option and the overall cost-benefit for a more expensive manager may not be that worthwhile. There are a lot of factors considered.
This is only away from home, pretty sure he has some victories in GP.
Terrible record anyway.
The issue is him being a step down from every other candidate though.
I'll support him if he comes here but people pretending that David Moyes is the logical choice are lying to themselves.
That is correct, away from home.
Exactly. I can think of much riskier appointments than Moyes. He will get the job with Fergie's blessing and he will basically carry on in Fergie's spirit. Whether he can grow out of the old man's shadow - and he needs to do that, of course, if he is to become a great manager - remains to be seen. But he won't feck this up royally. At worst he'll prove himself not quite sharp enough for the very top. Meanwhile we'll keep qualifying for the CL (which is bloody important these days), stay there or thereabouts, as they say - all the while retaining the system which Fergie has built over the years.
The latter part (retaining the system) will be MUCH more of an uncertainty should Mourinho come here, bring his own court, pick up some trophies, then leave. If we choose to believe the sweet fantasies of his followers - that he is finally ready to settle down and try his hand at long-term management - these points may be invalid. But I don't believe in those fantasies.
To be fair, Fergie's record away against the biggest clubs is pretty crap, always has been.
If David Moyes had managed Celtic or Rangers, and got the easy trophies they get, then he'd tick your boxes?
Neil Lennon would tick your fecking boxes?
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