Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

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finneh said:
The one thing I don't understand is the constant statement that he has no money to spend and that he overachieves (in the League, obviously he's massively underachieved in every other aspect).

Everton have a similar wage bill to 4-5 teams outside the big 6 (United, City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool). Out of that list of 6 teams who spend much more on wages he is currently outperforming one... A massively shite Liverpool.

He has essentially done a longer version of what O'Neill did at Villa - exactly what would be expected given his resources. Are we really giving plaudits to someone who is consistently merely doing exactly what is expected?

If you're going by overachieving look at Laudrup - nearly half the finances and only 3 league positions lower. Hell Steve Clarke has the same amount of points per £1m spent on wages this season.
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This is easily one of the absolute stupidest anti-Moyes arguments I've heard. There are some legit doubts about Moyes that you could have gone with, but you decide not outperforming any of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham is one of them. Give yourself a massive pat on the back! :wenger:
 
He'll be a massively underwhelming appointment but, it's a tough act to follow, I've some sympathy for whoever does get the job, your being compared to a legend, chances are you are going to fall drastically short.

If he can be half the manager Fergie was, he'll be alright.
 
Crikey. Lots of pessimism on here.

Think we can make a few assumptions:

a) If we had a choice, the majority of us would have chosen a different manager - Klopp, Mourinho, Ancelotti etc.

b) This decision was not made today/yesterday. this was months and months in the pipeline and has been known to the Board and SAF for a long time. The players were not told.

c) A full assessment was made of all the potential candidates and the board decided to go with Moyes.

d) Fergie had a big say/the final say in who replaced him. If Sir Bobby agreed with him I cannot believe the board would have chosen a different manager. Indeed, if they had both chosen Mourinho, he would be our manager.

e) I trust Fergie to pick the right manager for our club.

Hence, Fergie picked Moyes. We all trust Fergie. Ergo we should all trust Moyes, even if he isn't our respective first choices.

Gary Neville knows our club inside out. He is a big fan of Moyes taking over. Big flashy names is not how we operate; someone that fits our culture but isn't a big name is a VERY manchester united thing to do.
 
Some of the comments in this thread seem to be written by spoilt prats who just want the current flavour of the month. Why can't some see that Moyes is a very good manager?

Moyes isn't going to come and sell half of the first team and bring in Anichebe and Pienaar. More than anything, he'll learn more and more about the United-way as his career with us goes on - SAF will most likely see him on a weekly basis at least to give him some hints and tricks etc.

Moyes isn't too big for his boots, unlike some of the suggestions made on this forum. He won't leave after something doesn't go his way. He'll fight for this team, I'm sure of it.
 
charleysurf said:
Ah, United are boring for you? There's an easy solution to that.
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Our football's been a bit boring of late. I love following the club. Nice to see the kind of solutions you have for finding your teams play a bit boring.
 
Steven Seagull said:
O'Neil spent fecking loads more than Moyes. Clarke and Laudrup have been in charge for 12 months, it's not really relevant.

How can you not understand that Moyes has had no money?
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When he has had money he didn't really spend it well. He splashed out a lot of bilyaletdinov. He spent big on Fellaini and at the time it was remarked as a panic buy as fans were on his back, but that one worked out well.
 
One thing about Moyes is that he can build his legacy here, whereas people like Mourinho and Guardiola are already legends at other clubs. They'll never be the 'Manchester United legend' as Fergie and Busby are. We should get behind the guy. This is what this club is all about, taking someone with potential and turning them into something special.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Moyes' ugly brand of football?

Mourinho is hardly known for having his teams play absolutely beautiful football.

And he hardly stays at a club for more than a few seasons, before he gets bored of the surroundings and the surroundings get bored of him.
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I never said Mourinho's teams played beautiful football, I pointed out the mans a winner, if we aren't going to go for a manager who likes to play attractive football at least get one that has a proven track record of success, with Moyes he has no track record other than being a taller Martin O'Neil and his team play dated, ugly football.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
This season they've played some good stuff but over the years their football has been dull and uninteresting. I just don't see any freshness of ideas from him. He'll do tried and tested things and keep us "solid", maybe even successful
. But I wanted us to go in an exciting direction. Watching united has gotten a bit boring of late.
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Well, it clearly wasn't an easy decision to come to, the board must've exhausted every avenue, so fans will just have to trust their decision, a decision I suspect was influenced by Fergie himself. With Moyes we'll get a seamless transition, he'll also have Fergie to show him the ropes. It makes sense. I'm sure they've looked at other options such as Mourinho, but I doubt we'd want Jose's circus come to town, and then bugger off after upsetting everyone with his histrionics. So basically we'll just have to trust these people, and get behind the new man.
 
I thought we have been planning this for years, what happened to that secret dossier that was locked away in some drawer....you telling me that dossier was Moyes CV!!!

Of all the managers we could choose from we go and get Moyes, not happy is an understatement!!!!!!
 
noodlehair said:
Do you watch Everton a lot. They've played better football than United this season. United have more exciting players who can produce those "wow" moments, but Everton are a surprisingly good side to watch.




They really don't. Financially they have no right to be a PL team.

Wigan probably wont be next season.
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I'm almost certain someone posted a state saying that Everton are the 8th most well off club, and come 8th on average.
 
Nate Dogg said:
I thought we have been planning this for years, what happened to that secret dossier that was locked away in some drawer....you telling me that dossier was Moyes CV!!!

Of all the managers we could choose from we go and get Moyes, not happy is an understatement!!!!!!
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Calm down you hysterical girl.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Some of the comments in this thread seem to be written by spoilt prats who just want the current flavour of the month. Why can't some see that Moyes is a very good manager?

Moyes isn't going to come and sell half of the first team and bring in Anichebe and Pienaar. More than anything, he'll learn more and more about the United-way as his career with us goes on - SAF will most likely see him on a weekly basis at least to give him some hints and tricks etc.

Moyes isn't too big for his boots, unlike some of the suggestions made on this forum. He won't leave after something doesn't go his way. He'll fight for this team, I'm sure of it.
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Moyes will give it everything and buy into everything that the club is about. He's fiercely loyal to his players, will defend them to the hilt and he knows how important values are to a club like ours, he did it at Everton, and he'll do it here.

The things that worry me are on pitch, i.e. his tactics and ability to change a game.
 
StuCol101 said:
If it is Moyes, I hope everyone gets right behind him from the off. We don't need what happened with Benitez at the Renties to happen here.

That said, I really hope it's not Moyes
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He won't get that. Far too many people don't want him.
 
Thick Numpty said:
You know what, after reading that I now find myself giddy with excitement. I think I might have pee'd a little. I don't know what came over me earlier, clearly this is a wonderful appointment and we should all just get over our frustration and disappointment and be trouser wettingly excited at the prospect of David fecking Moyes following on from the greatest manager in the game.
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Why would you expect some drastic change of direction though? It's not needed and the club isn't going to change because Thick from the internet wants something shiny. Nobody would really excite me tbh, Mourinho's just a massive cock, Klopps dealt with zero real pressure and an under performing league rival for most of his time at Dortmund, Moyes is just a shit version of Sir Alex and Ancelotti has the personality of a shoe and needs shit loads of money.
 
pocco said:
One thing about Moyes is that he can build his legacy here, whereas people like Mourinho and Guardiola are already legends at other clubs. They'll never be the 'Manchester United legend' as Fergie and Busby are. We should get behind the guy. This is what this club is all about, taking someone with potential and turning them into something special.
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Well said. It would be brilliant for him to get his first taste of silverware here.
 
Moyes would not be my first choice but with Mourinho nailed on for Chelsea, Guardiola going to Bayern, Ancelotti heavily linked with Real and Kloop very unlikely to leave Dortmund we didn't exactly have plenty of choices.

I find Moyes a dull personality to be honest and there are areas he needs to improve at (Squad rotation for one) but people completely dismissing the excellent job he has done with Everron is a bit pissing off.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Some of the comments in this thread seem to be written by spoilt prats who just want the current flavour of the month. Why can't some see that Moyes is a very good manager?

Moyes isn't going to come and sell half of the first team and bring in Anichebe and Pienaar. More than anything, he'll learn more and more about the United-way as his career with us goes on - SAF will most likely see him on a weekly basis at least to give him some hints and tricks etc.

Moyes isn't too big for his boots, unlike some of the suggestions made on this forum. He won't leave after something doesn't go his way. He'll fight for this team, I'm sure of it.
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Agree'd mate.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Some of the comments in this thread seem to be written by spoilt prats who just want the current flavour of the month. Why can't some see that Moyes is a very good manager?

Moyes isn't going to come and sell half of the first team and bring in Anichebe and Pienaar. More than anything, he'll learn more and more about the United-way as his career with us goes on - SAF will most likely see him on a weekly basis at least to give him some hints and tricks etc.

Moyes isn't too big for his boots, unlike some of the suggestions made on this forum. He won't leave after something doesn't go his way. He'll fight for this team, I'm sure of it.
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There are other "very good managers" who would be less of a risk than Moyes though. There might be very good reasons for going with Moyes but you can hardly expect all fans to be delighted with the appointment of a manager who hasn't won anything.
 
Sir Alex staying on as Director of Football gives me hope that Moyes can be successful as our manager. He doesn't seem arrogant enough to not ask for advice, nor can Sir Alex help himself from giving his opinion on matters. He may not be on the touchline, but Sir Alex will probably still have a big influence on the club.

I do worry about whether we will be able to compete with other clubs for top players though. With Sir Alex at the helm, we were seen as a safe place to go to win trophies. With Moyes there'd be an air of uncertainty about us that could make players choose to go elsewhere.
 
Moyes does have similarities to Ferguson, but tactically he is just to negative for me. I would prefer to see someone who has that little bit more charisma and personality, and is capable of putting his own stamp on things. Moyes working as Mourinho's assistant for a couple of years would be the ideal scenario.
 
manutddjw said:
I do worry about whether we will be able to compete with other clubs for top players though. With Sir Alex at the helm, we were seen as a safe place to go to win trophies. With Moyes there'd be an air of uncertainty about us that could make players choose to go elsewhere.
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Will have little to no effect on potential transfers. Madrid and Chelsea chop and change managers pretty consistently and it has never affected their ability to attract players. And we're much, much bigger a club than Chelsea.
 
manutddjw said:
Sir Alex staying on as Director of Football gives me hope that Moyes can be successful as our manager. He doesn't seem arrogant enough to not ask for advice, nor can Sir Alex help himself from giving his opinion on matters. He may not be on the touchline, but Sir Alex will probably still have a big influence on the club.

I do worry about whether we will be able to compete with other clubs for top players though. With Sir Alex at the helm, we were seen as a safe place to go to win trophies. With Moyes there'd be an air of uncertainty about us that could make players choose to go elsewhere.
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Do we really need to put out a list of all the big players who've turned us down in recent years with Fergie?
 
Hope it is Moyes, a good fit for the club I reckon, never liked Mourinho winner or not he is a devisive character and that is not what we want after an already seismic event like Fergies retirement.
 
I'm not going to boo the man, if he is The Chosen One I'll get behind him and hope that his appointment is very successful, but I don't see why people are being criticized for being disappointed today. Hearing Fergie was packing it in made the day a big enough cuntkicker, people are already understandably unhappy. Fergie finishing is a shit day for any United fan. Following that news up with Moyes definitely feels underwhelming for some, as he is a massive downgrade from the man we've just lost.

Telling people they can feck off and support someone else for not being happy with this appointment, or calling them classless is a bit of a cnut trick. If you're excited about Moyes appointment then go frig yourself silly and enjoy the moment. Not all of us share that optimism, and we're entitled to feel a bit disappointed today.
 
pocco said:
I hope so. If I hear him being boo'ed then I'll lose a lot of respect for our supporters. But yeah, I think our match day support will be fine, even if he's not their first choice candidate.
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Where's this talk of booing coming from? You're acting superior about a scenario you created in your own head. He might not be some people's first choice, but he'll be United manager and will be supported accordingly.
 
Thick Numpty said:
I'm not going to boo the man, if he is The Chosen One I'll get behind him and hope that his appointment is very successful, but I don't see why people are being criticized for being disappointed today. Hearing Fergie was packing it in made the day a big enough cuntkicker, people are already understandably unhappy. Fergie finishing is a shit day for any United fan. Following that news up with Moyes definitely feels underwhelming for some, as he is a massive downgrade from the man we've just lost.

Telling people they can feck off and support someone else for not being happy with this appointment, or calling them classless is a bit of a cnut trick. If you're excited about Moyes appointment then go frig yourself silly and enjoy the moment. Not all of us share that optimism, and we're entitled to feel a bit disappointed today.
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Broyphs said:
Where's this talk of booing coming from? You're acting superior about a scenario you created in your own head. He might not be some people's first choice, but he'll be United manager and will be supported accordingly.
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Agree. It's so annoying.
 
finneh said:
The one thing I don't understand is the constant statement that he has no money to spend and that he overachieves (in the League, obviously he's massively underachieved in every other aspect).

Everton have a similar wage bill to 4-5 teams outside the big 6 (United, City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool). Out of that list of 6 teams who spend much more on wages he is currently outperforming one... A massively shite Liverpool.

He has essentially done a longer version of what O'Neill did at Villa - exactly what would be expected given his resources. Are we really giving plaudits to someone who is consistently merely doing exactly what is expected?

If you're going by overachieving look at Laudrup - nearly half the finances and only 3 league positions lower. Hell Steve Clarke has the same amount of points per £1m spent on wages this season.
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Since when do people use wage bills alone to measure spending...oh yeah when it suits their argument.

This is from The Guardian, all I could find without signing up to an Everton board.

Moyes's expertise in assembling a team of great togetherness and competitive spirit hardly needs reiterating but he still probably does not get the acclaim he deserves when, to put it in context, Everton are going for their fifth top-eight finish in a row, whereas a Premier League table of net transfer spend over that period would put them fourth from bottom.

They are one of just six clubs, along with Swansea, Wigan, Newcastle, Reading and Arsenal, to record a profit in that time, in Everton's case £12.3m, and if you tot up the figures going all the way back to Moyes's appointment in March 2002 his importance becomes even more stark. Everton's average net spend per season in the Moyes years comes in at a mere £803,000. Compare that with Aston Villa's average of £10.8m over the past decade, Stoke's £7.8m and Sunderland £7.6m and their corresponding league positions: Everton pushing for a Champions League place until recently; Villa, Stoke and Sunderland fighting relegation.
 
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