Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

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Don't know if these quotes have already been posted, but...

Manchester United chief executive David Gill, speaking to MUTV: "We have to look forward now and I think any manager coming in will inherit a great squad and great staff around him. It is a dream job. I won't speculate on the announcement but I think we will move relatively quickly.

"In Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex we got in managers who got involved in all aspects of the club. That degree of loyalty is crucial to the success of Manchester United. He (the next manager) needs the required football experience in terms of domestic and European requirements, so it is a small pool."

I know Moyes is seemingly nailed on to get the job, but he simply does not have that European experience described by Gill.
 
Probably happy to be winning.

That's not the point though. Ferguson leaving was a chance for the club to go a new direction, modernise our game, bring in a forward thinking manager with fresh ideas, someone dynamic. Moyes is none of that. It's just a safe, let's not rock the boat too much appointment.

As Moyes is familiar with the English game he could potentially challenge domestically but that leaves us lacking experience in Europe. Whereas a choice of manager who would bring "something dynamic" might have a tougher break in period domestically which could also potentially leave us out of European competition.

I'm completely torn to be honest and can make an argument either way.
 
That's the same attitude that would have hounded Fergie out of United back in the 80s. He was hardly Gods gift to football back then.

The hipsters can feck off and follow Mourihno to Chelsea for all I care. Good riddance.

Who the feck are you? I've been a United fan since before Fergie came here. I'm not some Johnny come Lately hoping for the latest pretty young thing. Though it would be nice. I'd have just liked to have seen us replace the greatest manager ever with someone more inspiring and adventurous than David Moyes.

Again, what have hipsters got to do with it? I'm a man in my 30's, calling me a Hipster would be a first, I reckon.
 
Who the feck are you? I've been a United fan since before Fergie came here. I'm not some Johnny come Lately hoping for the latest pretty young thing. Though it would be nice. I'd have just liked to have seen us replace the greatest manager ever with someone more inspiring and adventurous than David Moyes.

Again, what have hipsters got to do with it? I'm a man in my 30's, calling me a Hipster would be a first, I reckon.

Aww well that rules me out I guess :(
 
Who the feck are you? I've been a United fan since before Fergie came here. I'm not some Johnny come Lately hoping for the latest pretty young thing. Though it would be nice. I'd have just liked to have seen us replace the greatest manager ever with someone more inspiring and adventurous than David Moyes.

Again, what have hipsters got to do with it? I'm a man in my 30's, calling me a Hipster would be a first, I reckon.

:lol: go on Nev
 
Don't know if these quotes have already been posted, but...

Manchester United chief executive David Gill, speaking to MUTV: "We have to look forward now and I think any manager coming in will inherit a great squad and great staff around him. It is a dream job. I won't speculate on the announcement but I think we will move relatively quickly.

"In Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex we got in managers who got involved in all aspects of the club. That degree of loyalty is crucial to the success of Manchester United. He (the next manager) needs the required football experience in terms of domestic and European requirements, so it is a small pool."

I know Moyes is seemingly nailed on to get the job, but he simply does not have that European experience described by Gill.

I'd agree with Gill, it's a relatively small pool that has what we should be looking for in terms of experience and success. Moyes is very definitely not in that category though. That doesn't mean he won't work out, it's just a unnecessary risk to take when there are other candidates who do fit the bill.
 
Think this would make sense

from Gabriel Marcotti's column
Perhaps it makes more sense to make a clean break from the past, making the new job as different as possible from the one Sir Alex held. With a new chief executive, why not bring in a director of football who can work on a longer-term vision, coupled with a manager who handles the first team and the day-to-day responsibilities on the pitch?

It's not just a question of the director of football/head coach model being better (in my opinion, in most cases), it's about taking pressure off the replacement. Sir Alex was all-powerful at Old Trafford but that grip was built over more than a quarter century of success, allowing him to delegate tasks and responsibilities. Installing a new boss, giving him Sir Alex's power from day one and expecting him to figure everything out while also fielding a winning team is a huge ask.
 
I wonder if Moyes has known about this for a while, so will have his own transfer targets in mind, and who he wants to keep/sell...or whether he's going to have to start from scratch?
 
As Moyes is familiar with the English game he could potentially challenge domestically but that leaves us lacking experience in Europe. Whereas a choice of manager who would bring "something dynamic" might have a tougher break in period domestically which could also potentially leave us out of European competition.

I'm completely torn to be honest and can make an argument either way.

I believe with the integral structure of the club and the state in which Fergie's leaving it, that United being left out of Europe is simply something I cannot imagine.

Sure, winning the league's another thing, but I think unless it's an outright retard that'll be put in charge there's no way United would be out of the top 3 let alone top 4 or 5.

And I for one think success in Europe is undervalued on here compared to domestic football. I think the priority should be the Premier League however I wouldn't want an underachieving/unsuccessfull/unexperienced manager in Europe, and while the domestic title might not be guaranteed I've 0 doubt in United's ability to remain in European contention, European success however is far from a given, you need a great manager for that and I don't think United should settle for anything less than the best.
 
I wonder if Moyes has known about this for a while, so will have his own transfer targets in mind, and who he wants to keep/sell...or whether he's going to have to start from scratch?
I'm also wondering whether he has the knowledge of the European market that the other potential replacements would have, particularly in terms of the type of player top teams would be looking rather than those a midtable team have to target.
 
I'm so Down right now. Think that we can loose Sir Alex Ferguson and gain Moyes in matter of days. I have actually started drinking and will probably cry to some sad 90's song in a few hours.
 
Probably happy to be winning.

That's not the point though. Ferguson leaving was a chance for the club to go a new direction, modernise our game, bring in a forward thinking manager with fresh ideas, someone dynamic. Moyes is none of that. It's just a safe, let's not rock the boat too much appointment.

100% agreed. Can we really expect Moyes improve on what Fergie did this season? Does he have the new ideas required to improve on the base Fergie has built? No on both counts.

People keep saying he's cut from the same cloth as Fergie, but what's the point in getting a sub-par version of Fergie?
 
I believe with the integral structure of the club and the state in which Fergie's leaving it, that United being left out of Europe is simply something I cannot imagine.

Sure, winning the league's another thing, but I think unless it's an outright retard that'll be put in charge there's no way United would be out of the top 3 let alone top 4 or 5.

And I for one think success in Europe is undervalued on here compared to domestic football. I think the priority should be the Premier League however I wouldn't want an underachieving/unsuccessfull/unexperienced manager in Europe, and while the domestic title might not be guaranteed I've 0 doubt in United's ability to remain in European contention, European success however is far from a given, you need a great manager for that and I don't think United should settle for anything less than the best.

I agree it is hard to imagine anyone not being able to stay top 4 in the league with the current team and structure of the club. Yet I look at last years CL disaster and realize that whoever is in charge they mustn't take European success for granted as it isn't guaranteed simply because we field a solid team.

The balance between multiple competitions, squad rotation, and scouting involved with success both domestically and in Europe requires a lot from a manager. This is something I don't see Moyes having from season one. I do believe he can keep us top four and even win a title which would keep the wolves at bay but watching his learning curve in Europe will be tough.
 
100% agreed. Can we really expect Moyes improve on what Fergie did this season? Does he have the new ideas required to improve on the base Fergie has built? No on both counts.

People keep saying he's cut from the same cloth as Fergie, but what's the point in getting a sub-par version of Fergie?

right, he's basicaly a poor man's Fergie.
and it's not like I think he's not a good manager, but why should a club like United settle for anything other than the best?
And I assure you noone thinks of Moyes when thinking of the best managers (available or not)
 
At least we'll be spared the Court of King José, with a fawning press in attendance, and an arch demi-god smiling indulgently while taking all the plaudits for himself. [/RAWKese]

But seriously, I wasn't looking forward to Mourinho throwing everyone in the cosmos besides himself under the bus when/if things go wrong. As Real Madrid has found, it's not worth selling a club's soul and reputation for a couple of years' success. United should not be a footnote & a CV entry inserted into The José Mourinho Story.
 
David Gill has spoken

"Successor needs to have the requisite experience in term of domestic and European football"
 
At least we'll be spared the Court of King José, with a fawning press in attendance, and an arch demi-god smiling indulgently while taking all the plaudits for himself. [/RAWKese]

But seriously, I wasn't looking forward to Mourinho throwing everyone in the cosmos besides himself under the bus when/if things go wrong. As Real Madrid has found, it's not worth selling a club's soul and reputation for a couple of years' success. United should not be a footnote & a CV entry inserted into The José Mourinho Story.

I dunno, someone said earlier that Mourinho already has everything etched into his CV, he's won everything in England, Spain and Italy at this stage, so what more does he need to add to it? Maybe he was actually ready for long term commitment to a club at this stage.

Honestly, even if it was only for three or four years, I'd still prefer him, by a long way/
 
David Gill has spoken

"Successor needs to have the requisite experience in term of domestic and European football"

Gill always said that we will spend in transfers. And then signed Bebe and Obertan.
 
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