Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

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Annihilate Now! said:
I think this "he hasn't won anything, but what is he expected to win at Everton" stuff is bullshit. In 10 years, far worse managers have won things with far worse sides... not to mention the fact that he probably should have got Everton into the CL proper at some point.... you can't always put "just falling short" down as "Wasn't expected to do anything anyway".
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In the last 8 years, Arsene hasn't won anything. And going by the looks of it, they are far away from winning it as well. Now compare this to Moyes.
 
RedRover said:
From who?

If that is the case surely Everton would be in the know? If he's going to go and its nailed on, why not let Everton know? I'd be very surprised if he didn't show them that much respect.
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Just heard it yesterday on Sky Sports. I think is letting Everton know and is spending the next 2 days extricating himself from the club.
 
coolredwine said:
In the last 8 years, Arsene hasn't won anything. And going by the looks of it, they are far away from winning it as well. Now compare this to Moyes.
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Yeah but he's won trophies with Arsenal before and got them into Champions League consistently, he's just not had the right attitude in regards to the FA Cup and League Cup which he has treated as lesser trophies and opted for a secure top 4 finish instead.

You can't really defend someone by pointing at someone else, it doesn't work like that. Moyes has not won a trophy in his career and it needs to be taken into consideration here.
 
coolredwine said:
In the last 8 years, Arsene hasn't won anything. And going by the looks of it, they are far away from winning it as well. Now compare this to Moyes.
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Fine, in the last 8 years Arsene Wenger has led Arsenal to qualification in the CL proper every year.
 
coolredwine said:
In the last 8 years, Arsene hasn't won anything. And going by the looks of it, they are far away from winning it as well. Now compare this to Moyes.
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Are you seriously comparing Wenger with Moyes? I dont care about the last 8 years, just dont. Wenger comes out on top no matter what ever way you look at it.
 
Sarni said:
Yeah but he's won trophies with Arsenal before and got them into Champions League consistently, he's just not had the right attitude in regards to the FA Cup and League Cup which he has treated as lesser trophies and opted for a secure top 4 finish instead.

You can't really defend someone by pointing at someone else, it doesn't work like that. Moyes has not won a trophy in his career and it needs to be taken into consideration here.
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Moyes has also spent 800k per season. That's a ridiculously low amount. As I said he'll not be my first choice but I think he'll do good here.
 
I suspect if Moyes did come in Rooney would be off as it is well published they didn't get on from Rooney's autobiography
 
KM said:
Moyes has also spent 800k per season. That's a ridiculously low amount. As I said he'll not be my first choice but I think he'll do good here.
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His main priority will be to finish in the top 4 without spending loads of money. Moyes definitely the nouse to do so at the club.
 
Striker10 said:
There's nothing wrong with Moyes. He doesn't have the star appeal maybe but he's done well with Everton. With a better team, you never know and people can talk about lack of experience etc but you have to start somewhere.

Sir Alex will still be in 'our corner' and that level of experience - especially concerning European Football and the psychology of maintaining a standard will do us the world of good
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Yes, "you never know", so for a global giant like United, why not go for an option that gives United the BEST chance of continued success domestically AND in the Champions League.

I just don't see how Moyes would be the better option.

Remember when SAF came, he'd made Aberdeen the best team in Scotland AND beaten Real Madrid to win a European trophy. Can we really draw comparison with Moyes' achievements?

For goodness' sake, Laudrup has won the League Cup in his first season and yet Moyes would go on forever and a day and not win anything at Everton.
 
Another thing... Moyes is less qualified for this job then Fergie was when he got this job, and look at difference between what Manchester United is now compared to what it was in 1986.

I'm still in the anger stage...
 
steeeb said:
Oh. It's true then.

Sky will come out with a "Oh look, maybe it Mourinho" until odds shift then go on to someone else.
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That kind of thing happens rarely where a massive flip flop occurs.

If we were waiting the entire summer then maybe. But we're looking to see an annoucement in the next 48 hours so there isn't much time.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I think this "he hasn't won anything, but what is he expected to win at Everton" stuff is bullshit. In 10 years, far worse managers have won things with far worse sides... not to mention the fact that he probably should have got Everton into the CL proper at some point.... you can't always put "just falling short" down as "Wasn't expected to do anything anyway".
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Moyes took over in 2002, since then the only people to win a League are United, Chelsea, Arsenal and City. They're never going to compete on that front and I don't know how anyone could think they could, the resources of them 4 (in particular Chelsea, City and United) compared to Everton are ridiculous so he really can't compete with them levels. In 01/02 they finished 15th, the season after they jumped up to 7th then the season after was a disaster in fairness but everyone has bad seasons, they recovered with that to qualify for the Champions League, and were unlucky to not get in to the group stages after an awful referee display from what I remember, ever since then they've been steady in the League which is pretty good with the resources he has. They tend to push for Europe and look like they could make it again this season. You've got to appreciate it is hard to compete in a league surely? There is 2 of the richest teams in the world in there, then you have Man Utd so you basically rule out the Top 3. Then with Wenger at Arsenal it will be tough to overtake them and Tottenham have more money than Everton so they shouldn't be competing with them, but they still do.

In the FA Cup it's a similar pattern again. The only teams to win that are Arsenal, City, Liverpool, United, Chelsea and Portsmouth. With the exception of Portsmouth all of them teams were stronger than Everton when they won it, the only team who weren't is Portsmouth and look where they are now, so I think I'd rather be in Everton's position than theirs. The League Cup they may have done better in but again you could argue it is a small squad so they have to sacrifice the cups to get more money finishing higher up the league.

Europe is the worry for him, he's never done anything in Europe but then you could argue that what managers of European pedigree could we get that have his experience in the league? So it works both ways unfortunately. There is the joke about players doing it on a cold night in Stoke etc but the point kind of stands with managers, it's all about adapting to a different style of play in the league as well as in Europe.
 
KM said:
Moyes has also spent 800k per season. That's a ridiculously low amount. As I said he'll not be my first choice but I think he'll do good here.
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I imagine you're talking net spend? Evertone have spent about £140million on transfers since 2002 if I'm not mistaken?
 
Sarni said:
Yeah but he's won trophies with Arsenal before and got them into Champions League consistently, he's just not had the right attitude in regards to the FA Cup and League Cup which he has treated as lesser trophies and opted for a secure top 4 finish instead.

You can't really defend someone by pointing at someone else, it doesn't work like that. Moyes has not won a trophy in his career and it needs to be taken into consideration here.
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Annihilate Now! said:
Fine, in the last 8 years Arsene Wenger has led Arsenal to qualification in the CL proper every year.
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Yes, but then you also need to take into consideration the amount these two managers/clubs spend. People posting that away games stats for Moyes doesn't really mean anything when he hardly has the budget/resources to match the Top/Big 4. That's very clear. And everyone watching football/EPL clearly knows how difficult is it to beat Everton.

I am not defending Moyes or anything for the United job. Just saying that he is not as bad as people are making out to be. Sometimes, with a little bit of resources, a decent manager can become good/great, and those things weren't available to Moyes at Everton.
 
KM said:
Moyes has also spent 800k per season. That's a ridiculously low amount. As I said he'll not be my first choice but I think he'll do good here.
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To be be fair that is immense in modern day football.

Had he won a trophy I would be likening that to Jesus' feeding of the 5000.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
That kind of thing happens rarely where a massive flip flop occurs.
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It's "the big one" as far as Sky are concerned. This is a massive story. Everyone is glued to their channel and they want to keep them there.

Are you not around at transfer muppet time when they say there is a big story in the next X hours to keep everyone glued to their channel and placing bets?

The coming out with unnamed sources every half an hour doesn't make it true.
 
I think your board will be looking for a long term successor rather than someone who comes in for a 3/4 year stint i.e Mourinho. Moyes very much fits the bill in that respect.
 
Most advantage of Moyes is, Fergie can work well with him. In other word, Moyes won't mind being Fergie's 'puppet' to some extend. I don't see other big managers that can offer that kind of leverage.
 
KM said:
Moyes has also spent 800k per season. That's a ridiculously low amount. As I said he'll not be my first choice but I think he'll do good here.
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Yeah but it's another reason for my concerns. He'll have to build a new team at some point. Ferguson has prepared the club for his departure with the likes of de Gea, Jones, Smalling, Evans, Rafael, Zaha, Hernandez and Welbeck but he'll need to rebuild some areas soon - particularly midfield. He hasn't really had to deal with big transfers so far, it's not easy to get them spot on at a big club.
 
Oggmonster said:
Moyes took over in 2002, since then the only people to win a League are United, Chelsea, Arsenal and City. They're never going to compete on that front and I don't know how anyone could think they could, the resources of them 4 (in particular Chelsea, City and United) compared to Everton are ridiculous so he really can't compete with them levels. In 01/02 they finished 15th, the season after they jumped up to 7th then the season after was a disaster in fairness but everyone has bad seasons, they recovered with that to qualify for the Champions League, and were unlucky to not get in to the group stages after an awful referee display from what I remember, ever since then they've been steady in the League which is pretty good with the resources he has. They tend to push for Europe and look like they could make it again this season. You've got to appreciate it is hard to compete in a league surely? There is 2 of the richest teams in the world in there, then you have Man Utd so you basically rule out the Top 3. Then with Wenger at Arsenal it will be tough to overtake them and Tottenham have more money than Everton so they shouldn't be competing with them, but they still do.

In the FA Cup it's a similar pattern again. The only teams to win that are Arsenal, City, Liverpool, United, Chelsea and Portsmouth. With the exception of Portsmouth all of them teams were stronger than Everton when they won it, the only team who weren't is Portsmouth and look where they are now, so I think I'd rather be in Everton's position than theirs. The League Cup they may have done better in but again you could argue it is a small squad so they have to sacrifice the cups to get more money finishing higher up the league.

Europe is the worry for him, he's never done anything in Europe but then you could argue that what managers of European pedigree could we get that have his experience in the league? So it works both ways unfortunately. There is the joke about players doing it on a cold night in Stoke etc but the point kind of stands with managers, it's all about adapting to a different style of play in the league as well as in Europe.
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He's done all that because he's a good manager. What I'm saying that is a great manager would have either a) won something with Everton in the time he's been there, or at the very least, got them into the group stages of the CL. They've put themselves in enough positions to actually do either of these things, but they've always seemed to fail at the final hurdle.

coolredwine said:
Yes, but then you also need to take into consideration the amount these two managers/clubs spend. People posting that away games stats for Moyes doesn't really mean anything when he hardly has the budget/resources to match the Top/Big 4. That's very clear. And everyone watching football/EPL clearly knows how difficult is it to beat Everton.

I am not defending Moyes or anything for the United job. Just saying that he is not as bad as people are making out to be. Sometimes, with a little bit of resources, a decent manager can become good/great, and those things weren't available to Moyes at Everton.
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This season and last, yes... but that hasn't always been the case... particularly towards the end of campaigns.
 
I think we can safely say that this will be an unpopular choice judging by the majority of posts in here.

I can see him being a perfect choice for the Glazers though. Someone that wouldn't rock the boat (unlike Mourinho) and would be happy working with young players and a limited budget in the transfer market.
 
steeeb said:
It's "the big one" as far as Sky are concerned. This is a massive story. Everyone is glued to their channel and they want to keep them there.

Are you not around at transfer muppet time when they say there is a big story in the next X hours to keep everyone glued to their channel and placing bets?

The coming out with unnamed sources every half an hour doesn't make it true.
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All the main journos are seemingly backing it. Plus from all the noise currently coming from the club, it looks like it's Moyes e.g. "cut from the same cloth as Busby and Ferguson"
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
I think your board will be looking for a long term successor rather than someone who comes in for a 3/4 year stint i.e Mourinho. Moyes very much fits the bill in that respect.
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Mourinho is going to stay at his next club for much longer than anywhere he's been so far.
 
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