What's that Bayern manager like? The one Pep is replacing, I don't even know his name.
Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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Heyneckes? Isnt he retiring at the end of the season as well?
The most important thing is we have moved on from even remotely considering Martin O'Neill now, thank feck for that.
Jupp Heynckes ... he's like 68 or something
It wont be a cheap option if the stock plummets due to lack of success/lack of belief from the shareholders though.
Who was the mental manager in Spain everyone was raving about a couple years back? The guy who looks like he would beat his players after a match, even if they won.
I don't want it to be Moyes, but if it is I hope he's given a chance before everyone gets on his back.
Replacing a full back who is about to turn 32 with one who is a few months off 29 doesn't seem the wisest move to me. How many full backs play at the top level well into their thirties. If we were stuck for a year or two, it might make sense, but I don't think we're there yet.
I think people are being ridiculously unfair on Moyes in all this. Put in to perspective, there isn't another Alex Ferguson so can hardly get a like for like replacement. Out of the "elite" managers who is there? Pep is at Bayern, Klopp seems like he wants to build something at Dortmund and Mourinho looks nailed on for Chelsea. Who else do you go for? Realistically we're not going to get people like Wenger etc so why not give someone a chance like Moyes?
He might not of won stuff put lets give the guy a break, what is he expected to win at Everton. He's achieved stability and a pretty unstable club and made them one of the better teams in the premier league. They are never going to win league titles or Champions Leagues and have been unlucky in a few cups but what he has done is he's brought a balance to a club that needed it. The only way to prove that he is good enough is to give him a chance and the lack of support is a bit disappointing.
People like Mourinho won nothing before Porto, Pep Guardiola coached a B team before then turning Barca in to one of the best sides ever, for all the praise of the likes of Klopp, and Dortmund have done brilliantly in the Champions League they have pretty much just given away their league title to Bayern at a bit of a whimper, the same thing that people will slate Mancini and City for.
If you don't give these kind of managers a chance you never know what they'll be able to do. Given the resources and time people like Moyes could be as good as them, he's probably taken Everton as far as he can and does deserve a chance somewhere bigger.
He might not of won stuff put lets give the guy a break, what is he expected to win at Everton. He's achieved stability and a pretty unstable club and made them one of the better teams in the premier league. They are never going to win league titles or Champions Leagues and have been unlucky in a few cups but what he has done is he's brought a balance to a club that needed it. The only way to prove that he is good enough is to give him a chance and the lack of support is a bit disappointing.
People like Mourinho won nothing before Porto, Pep Guardiola coached a B team before then turning Barca in to one of the best sides ever, for all the praise of the likes of Klopp, and Dortmund have done brilliantly in the Champions League they have pretty much just given away their league title to Bayern at a bit of a whimper, the same thing that people will slate Mancini and City for.
If you don't give these kind of managers a chance you never know what they'll be able to do. Given the resources and time people like Moyes could be as good as them, he's probably taken Everton as far as he can and does deserve a chance somewhere bigger.
Bielsa ? The Argie who was in charge of Bilbao when they beat us.
What does everyone think of Pelligrini?
I was just saying in another forum, because we are listed, I'm sure to avoid growing levels of uncertainty and any real backlash from this news, they would probably look to get and announce a new manager as soon as possible. Maybe we will know before the next game.
It's going to be Moyes and I'm dreading it.
Yeah that's right he was managing Bilbao. Ah okay.
I rate him very high. He has done a good job in Villareal, Real Madrid to a degree and Malaga.
Absolutely spot on. Good post
I beginning to think its going to happen. He is the type who would like to get advice for SAF and wouldn't mind him being still around the club. The only other man in that mould IMO is Mourinho and he is off to Chelsea for certain it seems.
While he's still under contract they presumably need to advise Everton at the very least as to what's going on.
If the rumours are true and we're announcing our next manager within 48 hours, then I really cant see past Moyes unfortunately. The value of the United-stock is bound to drop after Fergies departure no matter what, but for some reason I'm a little excited about the future if Jose is appointed, and moreso worried if Moyes takes charge.
Obviously Glazers cant only consider the value of the stock, but Jose has already won trophies in England. Why would he stay here for a few seasons just to win what he's already won? He's been around for a few years now, this is his chance to settle down and show that he's able to build a club rather than spend cash for short term success.
Imagine a choice between O'Neill and Sven. We'd probably be in League 2 by now.
Steve Guppy whipping balls into a now 45 stone Emile Heskey.
I get the impression everyone else feels the same as I do about the potential of Moyes coming in at United. Whilst I don't necessarily think it would be a disaster, and I could actually see Moyes doing well here, I also don't see it as an inspiring choice.
After news like this we all want something to pick us up, excite us and get us looking forward to the new season. Moyes coming in wouldn't do that for me, it would be the safe stable Joe average style move as opposed to one that would have me licking my lips with anticipation in potential changes in style of play, personnel and coaching.
I hope the club are considering more than just ethics as alot has been said lately about new coaching methods and modern day styles that they would like United to adapt to. Again Moyes wouldn't offer this I don't feel.
It seems like it is a given anyway. If the club wants him he will come.
After news like this we all want something to pick us up, excite us and get us looking forward to the new season. Moyes coming in wouldn't do that for me, it would be the safe stable Joe average style move as opposed to one that would have me licking my lips with anticipation in potential changes in style of play, personnel and coaching.
I hope the club are considering more than just ethics as alot has been said lately about new coaching methods and modern day styles that they would like United to adapt to. Again Moyes wouldn't offer this I don't feel.
It seems like it is a given anyway. If the club wants him he will come.
My concern with going for Moyes is that the players may respond the way our fans are responding. That could be damaging, I think our players would react better to a Mourinho and if their reaction to Moyes is as underwhelming as it is with the fans, could be bad.
I think this "he hasn't won anything, but what is he expected to win at Everton" stuff is bullshit. In 10 years, far worse managers have won things with far worse sides... not to mention the fact that he probably should have got Everton into the CL proper at some point.... you can't always put "just falling short" down as "Wasn't expected to do anything anyway".
Apparently successor to be named today according to Sky.
Its gonna be Moyes. I'm 99% certain of it.
Moyes has done a good job at Everton but nothing so amazing that it reduces the anxiety I feel about Sir Alex stepping aside.
Moyes has shown strong abilities in scouting unknown talent and bringing it through. Considering what he has had to work with at Everton you can make the case that he has, in some senses, overachieved.
Moyes has not however shown any great tactical genius nor do Everton play 'sexy football'. Everton under Moyes have at times been exciting to watch in as they attack at pace but there is nothing very sophisticated about their approach. Plus, Moyes has never been afraid to put Fellaini or another big man be it Anichibe or somebody else in the final third and go long. Moyes' record in the big games shows his teams have not been hard to set up against or stop and that worries me.
Do fans not appreciate how much United has progressed since SAF took over in 1986? We are no longer a club seeking to regain its glorious pre-eminence, with Liverpool way ahead of us.
We are now more "global" than we ever have been, in spite of the Glazer situation, having won so many Prems and two CL.
Why should we accept that a manager like Moyes be apppointed when there are numerous better coaches? When winning trophies and being competitive lead to increased revenue streams for the Glazers - is Moyes the BEST coach to achieve these?
It looks like it may be Moyes, but it doesn't make sense.
Does Moyes have any more work ethic just because he is from Glasgow and a working-class background? No.
We are now more "global" than we ever have been, in spite of the Glazer situation, having won so many Prems and two CL.
Why should we accept that a manager like Moyes be apppointed when there are numerous better coaches? When winning trophies and being competitive lead to increased revenue streams for the Glazers - is Moyes the BEST coach to achieve these?
It looks like it may be Moyes, but it doesn't make sense.
Does Moyes have any more work ethic just because he is from Glasgow and a working-class background? No.
I've heard he's had meetings over transfer targets. Wouldn't surprise me if there is a handover period anyway.
If you look at the journos and bookies, they're all saying Moyes. Either they're following each other or they're pretty sure where this is going. I suspect the latter.
The one good thing about getting a Moyes though is we will be freaking hard to beat.
The point is that a club the size of United shouldnt have to make do with someone who isnt already at a "top club" which is what you seem to suggest. They should idenfity the best candidate and to what all other clubs do and go after them.
Moyes is a decent manager, no question - and he may indeed get the job and be very good at it. But he has no pedigree, no European experience and the myth that he's had it massively tough at Everton is just that.
He gets more cash to spend than a lot of managers at supposedly "poor" clubs, and his players all get huge contracts. As a result, of the decent players Everton have had he's lost Lescott and Rooney for silly money which most clubs would probably take) - and kept Howard, Cahill (for years), Jagielka, Baines and Fellaini which have formed the basis of a good side.
My major worry is what appointing a manager like Moyes represents - that rather than go out and bring in a top manager (who will no doubt want decent money to spend) they might get a bloke who's lucky to be in the job and will work on a shoestring.
Fergie may have been able to work miracles year on year against sides spending megabucks - It's far from certain any other manager can do that.
I agree.
I am in the five stages of grief over the matter... I've just moved past denial, and now I'm in anger.
Bargaining seems like a few hours away...
Totally agree. We should be picking one of Europe's finest managers with experience of winning things and who has experience in Europe. Not someone who has won the old second division and has a FA Cup runners up medal.
Jesus fecking Christ, it's really beginning to dawn on me just how much of a disaster this is going to be.
There's nothing wrong with Moyes. He doesn't have the star appeal maybe but he's done well with Everton. With a better team, you never know and people can talk about lack of experience etc but you have to start somewhere.
Sir Alex will still be in 'our corner' and that level of experience - especially concerning European Football and the psychology of maintaining a standard will do us the world of good
Sir Alex will still be in 'our corner' and that level of experience - especially concerning European Football and the psychology of maintaining a standard will do us the world of good
From who?
If that is the case surely Everton would be in the know? If he's going to go and its nailed on, why not let Everton know? I'd be very surprised if he didn't show them that much respect.
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