Saw this on Twitter - Moyes has 0 wins at Anfield. 0 wins at Stamford Bridge. 0 wins at Arsenal. 0 wins at Old Trafford. 0 trophies. In 11 years.
Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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Would we be linked with Moyes as our manager if he wasn't British. I'm not so sure. But you are completely spot on that none of the other top clubs would be interested in Moyes.
Based on what?
He's had no more success than 'Arry Redknapp and if he werelinked people would be laughing their heads off.
In terms of "mentality" he's stayed at Everton where expecation is low. Hardly ideal preparation.
I'm really not sure, maybe Pep. Moyes is a great manager but I feel he wouldn't be able to sustain our success, or at least would have a smaller chance than other candidates. I'm sure we would get longevity if he was successful though, which must be a consideration.
Its all too hard though, like planning where to live 5 minutes after your house burns down.
Why the feck are we hiring this guy to one of the biggest positions in world football?
I really rate Fellaini, but given how little he seems to be rated on this forum, you guys could be in for a double whammy.
Consider that Moyes is who a lot of Arsenal fans say should take over from Wenger eventually...
Is this still a world where we should have the same specifications as Arsenal fans?!
Is this still a world where we should have the same specifications as Arsenal fans?!
Moyes would probably bring Fellaini.
I find it so strange that fans still judge managers on what they've won, as if it's too much like hard work to look more closely at the jobs they've done previously. I always feared we'd end up with a Guardiola type, yet most fans always wanted this. I'd feel much happier with a manager like Moyes, who we've seen can really improve players, gets the most out of his squad and is an astute tactician. Why take the risk on a coach that it's hard to tell if they themselves really have that much of an impact on winning trophies, when we can hire a manager who we've all seen first hand is very good at the fundamentals of football management? I'd much rather have a manager like that who has yet to win anything, than a coach who has won lots, but couldn't have had things easier in doing so.
In short, I'd be happy with Moyes. In English football it's incredibly hard to win anything unless you are at one of the biggest clubs. In the last decade of English football, only 4 times have a non rich club won a trophy, out of 30 attempts. In fact of the main 2 trophies (Prem and FA Cup), only once has a club without top 4 wealth one a trophy. So it's very hard to be critical of Moyes for not winning anything.
He should be judged on the work he's done given the circumstances found at Everton and I think it's top notch.
In short, I'd be happy with Moyes. In English football it's incredibly hard to win anything unless you are at one of the biggest clubs. In the last decade of English football, only 4 times have a non rich club won a trophy, out of 30 attempts. In fact of the main 2 trophies (Prem and FA Cup), only once has a club without top 4 wealth one a trophy. So it's very hard to be critical of Moyes for not winning anything.
He should be judged on the work he's done given the circumstances found at Everton and I think it's top notch.
I cant believe that people are voting for Benitez on the poll.
At Chelsea he doesn't want to work with Crazy Roman. At Spurs levy wanted just a coach and take control of signings.
The management model at United suits him perfectly.
Pep is sadly no longer an option. It's a shame Bayern snapped him up so soon, I'm sure if they hadn't, he would seriously considering taking the job here.
Not to mention very little European experience.
He's got longevity though so all is good.
How exhilarating.
I am unsure of Pep a bit, after the way he quit Barcelona and Barca was his perfect club.
feck yeah!
Moyes is the right man for the job, always thought so.
Just about the only thing he has got going for him in my eyes is that he isn't Jose Mourinho.
Im pretty sure Everton have won at stamford bridge before.
I remember Tim Cahill scoring a late header? but perhaps that was a draw.
Edit: it was a late bicycle kick to equalise 1-1.
Moyes is a bit of an unknown in that he's never had the resources to play consistently good, attacking, successful football. He'll need to adapt quickly. But his achievements in relative terms are very good. That said, he wouldn't be my first choice, but I suspect that, given time, he will prove to be pretty successful. The idea of the successor being cut from the same cloth as Busby and Fergie, with a focus on youth development, certainly suggests that it will be him.
If he does get the job he'll need our support, that's for sure. Tough, tough job for anyone, let alone a guy with minimal experience of top level football and the pressure that goes with it.
If he does get the job he'll need our support, that's for sure. Tough, tough job for anyone, let alone a guy with minimal experience of top level football and the pressure that goes with it.
Don't think we need to make an official approach for Moyes. His contract ends soon. We could speak to him and he may just have to put in a formal resignation and join us completely by July.
I didn't mean Pep, I meant Jose, but I don't really want him either to be honest. Pep would have been ideal. Maybe.
Yep, yep, yep!
So why does Fergie want him? Because he's a good manager?
I'm telling you now, this will be another one of those things where in a few years time the fans will be wondering why they ever worried. I think Moyes would grow into the role and flourish here.
I didn't mean Pep, I meant Jose, but I don't really want him either to be honest. Pep would have been ideal. Maybe.
I'd prefer Jose to Moyes though.
Klopp would be a dream, a fecking dream, but it's highly unlikely.
I guarantee you that if we want Moyes in 2 seasons time we could still get him, the same cannot be said for Klopp as there is no telling where he will be so best to get him now if he fails then the club can say perhaps we were too ambitious and needed to stick with a little more tradition and wheel in Moyes.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Fair point. Still a terrible record though.
Liverpool have been finishing behind Everton in the past 3 seasons. Pointless stat.
Plus, compare the $$$ Moyes has spent with all those 3-4 clubs you have mentioned.
And, he has won at City, I remember, continuously beating them in the past 5-6 games.
Get in!! ,even if it's the sun ,i'll take it.
That's the most important thing. I don't want him, but if he came he has to have total support.
Klopp would be good, but he's got his real test coming up over the next couple of years. Let's see if he can assemble another title winning squad.
Moyes probably wouldnt look to change too much. So Giggs and Scholes if he wishes to play another year would still be very much involved. And Zaha would be given a good shot too by Moyes, he has often signed players form the Championship.
You don't pick a man whose decisions will determine the future of your company because he's cheap.
Cheap could be very, very dear.
I wonder if he does get appointed will he go for Baines? I hope not personally
Even Scousers and City would start liking us if we get Klopp.
A great manager he is, great tactically, likes new players, good at signing players, a bit mental and seems to be loyal. Probably the only option better than Mourinho.
Already explained why Moyes as a cheap option can make sense.
It's not like he is an absolutely dreadful choice either. I mean we won't get relegated under him.
Scepticism around Moyes IS justified. If he is the man to replace Sir Alex, sure he does deserve a chance, time and patience but those taking the moral high ground surely can see why so many people have doubts about Moyes credentials to takeover the champions of England.
I don't need to list what he has done and what he hasn't done. His team has only very recently been praised for a more refined style of play but he's more of of an ambassador for your David Weir, Duncan Ferguson or Thomas Gravesen type of player, hence why the likes of Phil Neville and Jonny Heitinga have somehow managed to carry on playing for Everton. I'm not inspired by the way his teams have played and it'd be disappointing for us to hire a manager who has to adapt to us, rather than is adapt to him.
If it is Moyes though, we have to respect what he does and the time he will need.
I don't need to list what he has done and what he hasn't done. His team has only very recently been praised for a more refined style of play but he's more of of an ambassador for your David Weir, Duncan Ferguson or Thomas Gravesen type of player, hence why the likes of Phil Neville and Jonny Heitinga have somehow managed to carry on playing for Everton. I'm not inspired by the way his teams have played and it'd be disappointing for us to hire a manager who has to adapt to us, rather than is adapt to him.
If it is Moyes though, we have to respect what he does and the time he will need.
Amen to that.
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