Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

[Theon]

Was a disaster because a lot of big egos there didn't liked the idea that he was going to replace them. And hell, who can work with Abramovich.

At-least he has worked before with superstars, unlike Moyes whose only big name has been a 17 years old kid.

Saying that, has someone said that they want AVB as manager? I don't think so. Anyway, I think that he has shown more than Moyes.

He's the manager, it's his responsibility to manage the players. If he can't do that then he's in the wrong profession. The way you exempt him of fault is just so ridiculous when you remember the shit he was doing at Chelsea, dismissing Kalou and Alex (IIRC, might have been Anelka) to the reserves and not letting them train with the first team.. Just an absurd start to a new job.

Some criticisms that are levelled at his time at Chelsea might be harsh, but his man management was appalling there. When he finally left Di Matteo rallied the players and they won the Champions League. That would have never happened with AVB at Chelsea, the performance against Barca at the Nou Camp was all teamwork and heart which he just didn't inspire in his players.

 

[Revan]

He's the manager, it's his responsibility to manage the players. If he can't do that then he's in the wrong profession. The way you exempt him of fault is just so ridiculous when you remember the shit he was doing at Chelsea, dismissing Kalou and Alex (IIRC, might have been Anelka) to the reserves and not letting them train with the first team.. Just an absurd start to a new job.

Some criticisms that are levelled at his time at Chelsea might be harsh, but his man management was appalling there. When he finally left Di Matteo rallied the players and they won the Champions League. That would have never happened with AVB at Chelsea, the performance against Barca at the Nou Camp was all teamwork and heart which he just didn't inspire in his players.

You are using the Chelsea example to prove something about a manager. FFS, they sacked the manager who was the best in the world during those years. They are probably the worst club when it comes to manager.

When you have a lot of big echos, a clueless owner who likes to intervene in everything (and by some rumours writes the formations of players), no real power and absolutely no job security, then what do you expect?

 

[Theon]

You are using the Chelsea example to prove something about a manager. FFS, they sacked the manager who was the best in the world during those years.

They sacked Fergie

 

[Ludens the Red]

Cheers Brwned! I can't stand the comments like that, why we want a foreigner, if Moyes was Spanish blah blah blah.

The last British manager who won the EPL and is not called Sir Alex Ferguson is Kenny Dalglish in 1995. The last one before him was Howard Wilkinson in 1992. From the famous big four team's managers only SAF was British. Now from the five teams that are competing for UCL, only SAF is British. There is an excellent reason that the majority of Caf is not liking the idea of a British manager, not that we are anti British (in fact I think that the majority here are British), but because there aren't a lot of good British managers available.

Moyes has shown that he can do a good job in a mid table team. Can he win a Premier League? Can he challenge in Europe? Can he deal with many superstars? Is he good enough in media wars? It's hard to know, but there is nothing to suggest that he can do it. He has 0 trophies and has minimal experience in Europe. He has 0 experience in UCL. There are a lot of good reasons why people here are more found of idea to have Mourinho, Pep, Ancelotti, Klopp etc as manager than Moyes. That has nothing to do with his name not being fancy enough, nothing to do with his nationality. All it has to do is about his experience and supposedly his quality.

I like Moyes a lot, but I am not sure if he is the right person. Comparing him to the like of Pep, Mourinho and Klopp is absolute nonsense.

British managers don't tend to get the chance at top clubs, not here and not abroad. The last English manager to have something that resembled a 'top job' was Redknapp and he did well at Spurs, a lot better than Juande Ramos.
It's a big knock on effect, if British managers aren't getting the top jobs, they aren't going to be managing in the CL and competing for trophies.
You talk about people like Jose and Klopp but before they got those big jobs, were they winning things at smaller clubs? No they werent.
The job Klopp did at his previous club Mainz is no different to the job Moyes has done at Everton. Difference being in Germany they were willing to give Klopp a top job, they'd never give Moyes one here.
Someone has said Moyes should have taken a job abroad and I agree, that's what he needs to do.

Pep and Ancelotti benefited from extremely successful playing careers at big clubs. That can go two ways, we've seen plenty of great players fail as managers at big clubs.

AVB has won a four trophies in Portuguese league in his first year there. During that year he was unbeaten and made the record points.

Granted the Europa League win looks good but as for the other trophies, winning trophies in Portugal with Porto is like winning trophies in Scotland with Celtic. Moyes would win countless trophies in Portugal. Martin O'Neill and Walter Smith took worse Old Firm sides to Europa League finals. Unfortunately for those two they didn't come up against Braga in their finals.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Talking about AVB is irrelevant as like Revan said no one is suggesting he will take over from Ferguson. I only made the point that he has a stronger pedigree than Moyes.

 

[Revan]

They sacked Fergie

Mourinho was the best manager at the time. In his last 5 years he won 2 EPL (including one with a record points), 1 UCL, 1 UEFA cup and 2 Portuguese leagues. Fergie during the same years got 2 EPL and an FA Cup.

 

[Theon]

Talking about AVB is irrelevant as like Revan said no one is suggesting he will take over from Ferguson. I only made the point that he has a stronger pedigree than Moyes.

Which is what is being debated, Villas Boas failed in the Premiership with Chelsea. I would be more comfortable with Moyes taking over than Villas Boas, much less of a chance of a gigantic feck up IMO.

At worst I think Moyes will be a steady, uninspired choice, whereas I could realistically see AVB being a disaster.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

British managers don't tend to get the chance at top clubs, not here and not abroad. The last English manager to have something that resembled a 'top job' was Redknapp and he did well at Spurs, a lot better than Juande Ramos.
It's a big knock on effect, if British managers aren't getting the top jobs, they aren't going to be managing in the CL and competing for trophies.
You talk about people like Jose and Klopp but before they got those big jobs, were they winning things at smaller clubs? No they werent.
The job Klopp did at his previous club Mainz is no different to the job Moyes has done at Everton. Difference being in Germany they were willing to give Klopp a top job, they'd never give Moyes one here.

I would say Dortmund aren't really comparable to Manchester United. Only Bayern Munich really are and they have had their fair share of foreign managers and nearly all the managers that they have had in recent years have won something or strong experience overseas in previous roles.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Which is what is being debated, Villas Boas failed in the Premiership with Chelsea. I would be more comfortable with Moyes taking over than Villas Boas, much less of a chance of a gigantic feck up IMO.

At worst I think Moyes will be a steady, uninspired choice, whereas I could realistically see AVB being a disaster.

Well you are debating who is better for the United job currently. The answer is neither but Moyes is the one who is linked with the job and strongly as well.

The Chelsea role I think was an understandable feck up. Most managers have failed when they have been younger and he took the job too soon. It had disaster written all over it but largely because he was 34 so insanely young for a manager.

He has a larger skill set and I could see him being a strong manager in the future and someone we would definitely be interested in, in less than 10 years when he is still under 45.

 

[Theon]

Mourinho was the best manager at the time. In his last 5 years he won 2 EPL (including one with a record points), 1 UCL, 1 UEFA cup and 2 Portuguese leagues. Fergie during the same years got 2 EPL and an FA Cup.

Don't be daft.

That Chelsea team was one of the best the Premiership has ever seen. Carvalho and Terry were immense in their prime, Makelele sitting ahead, Lampard was one of the best midfielders in the Europe and Drogba was flanked by Robben and Cole. We had Alan Smith in midfield.

Seriously, judging the best manager based on who won the title is such a narrow way to do it. United were in a period of transition as Ferguson went about building his next great side, he never stopped being the best manager in the league.

 

[Revan]

British managers don't tend to get the chance at top clubs, not here and not abroad. The last English manager to have something that resembled a 'top job' was Redknapp and he did well at Spurs, a lot better than Juande Ramos.
It's a big knock on effect, if British managers aren't getting the top jobs, they aren't going to be managing in the CL and competing for trophies.
You talk about people like Jose and Klopp but before they got those big jobs, were they winning things at smaller clubs? No they werent.
The job Klopp did at his previous club Mainz is no different to the job Moyes has done at Everton. Difference being in Germany they were willing to give Klopp a top job, they'd never give Moyes one here.
Someone has said Moyes should have taken a job abroad and I agree, that's what he needs to do.

Pep and Ancelotti benefited from extremely successful playing careers at big clubs. That can go two ways, we've seen plenty of great players fail as managers at big clubs.

Is this our problem? Can we take the risk of giving a manager who has 0 experience in Europe an almost impossible job? Can a manager who has won feck all despite being 50 trusted to at-least compete every year for title and do good in UCL?

His only experience in Champions is when he got eliminated in qualification round.

I dunno man, if he would have done a job to a better club like Spurs when he would have pushed every year for the fourth spot position and had some experience in Europe then it would have been something else, but as it is, I am a bit skeptical.

Granted the Europa League win looks good but as for the other trophies, winning trophies in Portugal with Porto is like winning trophies in Scotland with Celtic. Moyes would win countless trophies in Portugal. Martin O'Neill and Walter Smith took worse Old Firm sides to Europa League finals. Unfortunately for those two they didn't come up against Braga in their finals.

It's not only that he won the league. It is also how he won it. He broke the points record and was undefeated during the entire course of it. At the same time, he won the Cup, the Supercup and Europa. Everton hasn't done something similar in Europe (and weren't near it) despite being in similar finances like Porto.

Anyway, I am not saying that Moyes is in the category of Mcleish, O'Neal or McLaren. He is more in the category of Hodgson and Redknapp and personally I think that he is better than them, but is he good enough for us? Hard to believe.

Especially if we can go with other options like Mou or Klopp.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

That Chelsea team was one of the best the Premiership has ever seen. Carvalho and Terry were immense in their prime, Makelele sitting ahead, Lampard was one of the best midfielders in the Europe and Drogba was flanked by Robben and Cole. We had Alan Smith in midfield.

The manager has a strong role in who gets picked and in some cases brought. It is Fergie's own fault that we played Smith in midfield. I don't think it's any shame to say Mourinho could be considered a better manager at the time.

 

[Shane88]

Oliver Holt ‏@OllieHolt22 4m
Bit of information re:Moyes. He spent several hours in meetings today poring over Everton transfer targets for next season.

Good, stay there.

 

[Cevno]

I would like the next manager to be involved in running of all football matters at the club like SAF was from bottom to up. Mourinho is just a 3/4 year manager who comes in, wants players and then leaves without building anything long term even though those 3 years may be somewhat successful.

He is the least risky option, but he hardly is one who puts club and tradition first. Won't give any of our youth players quick chances either and wait for them to improve long term.

 

[Revan]

Don't be daft.

That Chelsea team was one of the best the Premiership has ever seen. Carvalho and Terry were immense in their prime, Makelele sitting ahead, Lampard was one of the best midfielders in the Europe and Drogba was flanked by Robben and Cole. We had Alan Smith in midfield.

Seriously, judging the best manager based on who won the title is such a narrow way to do it. United were in a period of transition as Ferguson went about building his next great side, he never stopped being the best manager in the league.

What about Porto when he had the opposite of finances to Chelsea?

Mourinho was doing a lot better than SAF during that time. He was widely acnowledged as the best manager at the moment, while there were a lot of United fan/idiots who were asking for SAF's head just one or two years before/

 

[Ludens the Red]

Is this our problem? Can we take the risk of giving a manager who has 0 experience in Europe an almost impossible job? Can a manager who has won feck all despite being 50 trusted to at-least compete every year for title and do good in UCL?

Dortmund and Porto did with Klopp and Mourinho, Barcelona did with Guardiola, went quite well did it not?

His only experience in Champions is when he got eliminated in qualification round.

I dunno man, if he would have done a job to a better club like Spurs when he would have pushed every year for the fourth spot position and had some experience in Europe then it would have been something else, but as it is, I am a bit skeptical.



It's not only that he won the league. It is also how he won it. He broke the points record and was undefeated during the entire course of it. At the same time, he won the Cup, the Supercup and Europa. Everton hasn't done something similar in Europe (and weren't near it) despite being in similar finances like Porto.

Anyway, I am not saying that Moyes is in the category of Mcleish, O'Neal or McLaren. He is more in the category of Hodgson and Redknapp and personally I think that he is better than them, but is he good enough for us? Hard to believe.

Especially if we can go with other options like Mou or Klopp.

Also MON broke the record in the SPL I'm fairly certain, with again, a far worse team in a league just as easy.
You can't compare working at Porto and Everton (with similar finances). Everton are competing with some of the biggest clubs in the world. Porto's only competition is Benfica.

I would say Dortmund aren't really comparable to Manchester United. Only Bayern Munich really are and they have had their fair share of foreign managers and nearly all the managers that they have had in recent years have won something or strong experience overseas in previous roles.

TBH don't see how any of this ties in with what I'm saying, it's also not entirely accurate.
Bayern have recently had Klinsmann, Magath and Heynckes - all German.
Of the two non Germans, one was Louis Van Gaal and the other had been an assistant at Bayern and didnt have strong experience overseas. But it's not a point anyway because I'm talking about Moyes/British managers/top jobs in general.
This isn't me rallying for Moyes to be appointed United manager, just me defending him a bit because of the outrage, that I honestly don't believe would be there if he were foreign.
I'd be willing to put heavy money that if asked, most United fans would choose AVB ahead of Moyes to succeed Fergie.

 

[Theon]

The manager has a strong role in who gets picked and in some cases brought. It is Fergie's own fault that we played Smith in midfield. I don't think it's any shame to say Mourinho could be considered a better manager at the time.

Of course it was Ferguson's responsibility who we brought in, and he did an incredible job. If you expect United to win the Premiership and have the best squad every season then you're being unrealistic. After the early 00's that great Ferguson team started to split up and he has to start building again. A period of transition is inevitable. Keano was leaving, Beckham left, we needed a partner for Rio and a new keeper etc. It was always going to happen and we were always going to stall for a few years. This happened to coincide with Chelsea splurging hundreds of millions on players in their prime which we couldn't keep up with.

So in those three years where Chelsea dominated Fergie built a new team, bringing in a teenage Ronaldo and Rooney who needed to mature, Van der Sar, Evra, Vidic and Carrick. With his new team built he won the title three years running. You can't hold it against Fergie that the team needed to a reshuffle, it always happens. The amazing thing about Ferguson is his ability to create an entirely new team and then challenge for the title again. Calling someone else the best manager, as if his own capabilities decrease in these moments is mental IMO. It's actually when he shows his true greatness as most other managers wouldn't have a clue how to go about developing an entirely new side, whereas he thrives of it.

 

[Carl]

The job Klopp did at his previous club Mainz is no different to the job Moyes has done at Everton. Difference being in Germany they were willing to give Klopp a top job, they'd never give Moyes one here.

This bit is actually really relevant. Klopp only had 1 previous job as a manager and he left because he took them down and couldn't get them back up.

Someone like that would be banished forever over here.

 

[Revan]

Dortmund and Porto did with Klopp and Mourinho, Barcelona did with Guardiola, went quite well did it not?


I'd be willing to put heavy money that if asked, most United fans would choose AVB ahead of Moyes to succeed Fergie.

Moyes is not an ex-United legend. Winning the title in England is a bit more difficult than winning it in Portugal. We are a much bigger club than Dortmund and Porto to be subject of a such experiment.

I don't know whom I would have choose between AVB and Moyes. I genuinely think that AVB is better than Moyes and is more experienced in Europe, but Moyes has a lot more experience in EPL and most likely will understand better than AVB the United way. If the choice is between each of them and the likes of Mou and Klopp, I know whom I would have chosen.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

TBH don't see how any of this ties in with what I'm saying, it's also not entirely accurate.
Bayern have recently had Klinsmann, Magath and Heynckes - all German.
Of the two non Germans, one was Louis Van Gaal and the other had been an assistant at Bayern and didnt have strong experience overseas. But it's not a point anyway because I'm talking about Moyes/British managers/top jobs in general.
This isn't me rallying for Moyes to be appointed United manager, just me defending him a bit because of the outrage, that I honestly don't believe would be there if he were foreign.
I'd be willing to put heavy money that if asked, most United fans would choose AVB ahead of Moyes to succeed Fergie.

Klinsmann and Heynckes had experience abroad although Heyncks did manage Bayern in the 80s. Magath also has strong European experience which you just can't ignore.

It's as Brwned said, if we were looking at the Spanish equivalents for Moyes then there would be a massive outrage. We can't just give him the most prestigious role in the world because he is the best British manager in the world, we should be looking at one of the best overall.

I disagree on the AVB vs Moyes issue. We have repeatedly been linked with Moyes while no one mentions AVB because of how badly the Chelsea role went down. I would personally pick AVB though because of his European experience. Moyes should have gone abroad but IMO stayed in the UK as the pay is better here. I think if Moyes came to United we would still finish 4th but I couldn't see us competing for the title. Vilas-Boas has a bigger payoff but again it's irrelevant.

 

[Carl]

AVB's European experience isn't much to behold tbf. Not when you look at the Champions League anyway. How many games was it? 6? It's not exactly much of a gulf.

I'm not an advocate of having either but if I had to choose 1 of them it would be Moyes.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

AVB's European experience isn't much to behold tbf. Not when you look at the Champions League anyway. How many games was it? 6? It's not exactly much of a gulf.

I'm not an advocate of having either but if I had to choose 1 of them it would be Moyes.

Winning a European trophy unless you're managing sugar daddy team is pretty difficult. I mean Everton have been in Europa League or equivalent many times and haven't come close.

Fergie does rate Moyes highly in fairness.

 

[Ludens the Red]

This bit is actually really relevant. Klopp only had 1 previous job as a manager and he left because he took them down and couldn't get them back up.

Someone like that would be banished forever over here.

It's how it is, people tend to forget that all these managers like Klopp, Jose, Guardiola, started their success on a significantly smaller scale. Two years before Jose and Klopp reaches Cl Finals, they'd never even managed a CL game.
Guardiola had never managed a game in Europe a year before he won the CL.

Moyes is not an ex-United legend. Winning the title in England is a bit more difficult than winning it in Portugal. We are a much bigger club than Dortmund and Porto to be subject of a such experiment.[/B]

I don't know whom I would have choose between AVB and Moyes. I genuinely think that AVB is better than Moyes and is more experienced in Europe, but Moyes has a lot more experience in EPL and most likely will understand better than AVB the United way. If the choice is between each of them and the likes of Mou and Klopp, I know whom I would have chosen.

So what if he's not an ex United legend, plenty of ex legends have failed as managers of their clubs.
Being an experiment doesn't determine success or failure, after all were Klopp, Mourinho, Guardiola not "experiments"?

"AVB is more experience in Europe"
Peh, as I mentioned above, Mourinho and Klopp reached CL finals within two years, Guardiola the first year. How many "experienced" managers failed to get Chelsea to the CL final, yet it was Grant and Di Matteo the ones with no experience who got them there.

Klinsmann and Heynckes had experience abroad although Heyncks did manage Bayern in the 80s. Magath also has strong European experience which you just can't ignore.

It's as Brwned said, if we were looking at the Spanish equivalents for Moyes then there would be a massive outrage. We can't just give him the most prestigious role in the world because he is the best British manager in the world, we should be looking at one of the best overall.

I disagree on the AVB vs Moyes issue. We have repeatedly been linked with Moyes while no one mentions AVB because of how badly the Chelsea role went down. I would personally pick AVB though because of his European experience. Moyes should have gone abroad but IMO stayed in the UK as the pay is better here. I think if Moyes came to United we would still finish 4th but I couldn't see us competing for the title. Vilas-Boas has a bigger payoff but again it's irrelevant.

But you were trying to suggest that Bayern had a preference for hiring foreign managers, when they clearly don't.

And again with the AVB "European experience"

 

[ALX8725]

Of course it was Ferguson's responsibility who we brought in, and he did an incredible job. If you expect United to win the Premiership and have the best squad every season then you're being unrealistic. .

I actually disagree. This is Manchester United, not Arsenal.

As a club, as supporters of the club, the players, the staff.... for a club of Manchester United's size and stature in the global world, it is actually a very realistic expectation that Manchester United win the Premier League every season and seriously challenge in Europe every season. Other clubs such as Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Juve, etc. have that standard of themselves, why shouldn't Manchester United. We are a much bigger club than some of those, we are the biggest club in England and one of the biggest in the world.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I don't expect United to win the league each and every season, that's impossible. But I damn sure expect us to challenge every season, we're not Arsenal. Agreed.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

But you were trying to suggest that Bayern had a preference for hiring foreign managers, when they clearly don't.

And again with the AVB "European experience"

No I didn't. I just said they had their fair share of foreign managers which just means they have had foreign managers in the recent past with Trappatoni, Van Gaal and now Guardiola.

And AVB does have European experience. I don't know why it's so wrong to say it.

 

[Oldham]

Who's managing aberdeen now?
Worked out rather nice last time

 

[FlawlessThaw]

I don't expect United to win the league each and every season, that's impossible. But I damn sure expect us to challenge every season, we're not Arsenal. Agreed.

We should be competing for the league at a strong level every year. Which we weren't during the years between Keane lost the plot and Carrick came to the club. The manager has to take some blame for that lack of continuity.

I wouldn't expect us to win the league every year as luck always plays a role but I wouldn't expect us to lose the league so wimpily as we did and like Arsenal do now.

 

[Spiersey]

Who's managing aberdeen now?
Worked out rather nice last time

We just appointed Derek Mcinnes. We will swap him to take Fergie back.
We have been wrecked since Fergie left, just hope it doesn't happen to youse (very unlikely to)

 

[Carl]

Winning a European trophy unless you're managing sugar daddy team is pretty difficult. I mean Everton have been in Europa League or equivalent many times and haven't come close.

Fergie does rate Moyes highly in fairness.

Yeh but we all know how seriously the Europa was taken by AVB at Porto (and now Spurs) and how seriously it was taken by Moyes at Everton.

It's a great achievement for AVB but not something I look on all that favourably when we're talking about managing United.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Yeh but we all know how seriously the Europa was taken by AVB at Porto (and now Spurs) and how seriously it was taken by Moyes at Everton.

It's a great achievement for AVB but not something I look on all that favourably when we're talking about managing United.

If that's the case and I can't see why it completely is it begs the question, why didn't Moyes take the Cup seriously? I mean he's never won a trophy and apart from a couple of seasons never really looked like finish in the top 4 consistently. Maybe he just couldn't cope tactically who knows.

I agree it's not the best for an United manager which is why no one is advocating him as their main choice, all it shows is that AVB knows how to win a competition.

 

[Theon]

I actually disagree. This is Manchester United, not Arsenal.

As a club, as supporters of the club, the players, the staff.... for a club of Manchester United's size and stature in the global world, it is actually a very realistic expectation that Manchester United win the Premier League every season and seriously challenge in Europe every season. Other clubs such as Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Juve, etc. have that standard of themselves, why shouldn't Manchester United. We are a much bigger club than some of those, we are the biggest club in England and one of the biggest in the world.

Well you are being unrealistic, we are never going to win the title or have the best team every season. It's impossible.

Real Madrid et all don't expect to win the title every season, no team can do that. Like I said it's impossible. Teams can obviously expect to be continually near the top or challenging, but squads are going to inevitably decline at some point and no team has a conveyor belt of fresh world class players - so a period where you won't win the title is inevitable.

During the Premiership years we've won the title 13 times, Madrid have only won it 7 times whilst spending significantly more money in a less competitive league. If they expected to win it 21 out of 21 then they aren't doing too well.

Juventus are the same, 7 out of 21. Teams can't win the title every year.

 

[Ludens the Red]

No I didn't. I just said they had their fair share of foreign managers which just means they have had foreign managers in the recent past with Trappatoni, Van Gaal and now Guardiola.

And AVB does have European experience. I don't know why it's so wrong to say it.

It's wrong because it's not actually that big of a deal and there's substantial evidence that it isn't. In fact if recently is anything to go by, the less CL managerial experience you have, the better you'll do.

 

[Cevno]

I don't expect United to win the league each and every season, that's impossible. But I damn sure expect us to challenge every season, we're not Arsenal. Agreed.

And we have challenged most years, despite having a period of lack of investment when Glazer's took over initially with increased debts while ROman was flashing the cheque book all over the place.. People forget that.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

It's wrong because it's not actually that big of a deal and there's substantial evidence that it isn't. In fact if recently is anything to go by, the less CL managerial experience you have, the better you'll do.

So instead of Moyes we should be looking at Neville then. Let's just follow what Chelsea do instead.

And we have challenged most years, despite having a period of lack of investment when Glazer's took over initially with increased debts while ROman was flashing the cheque book all over the place.. People forget that.

Well the Glazers still have tightened the belt and Roman still spends quite a bit on the team. The key difference at least in the league has been the fact that the manager at Chelsea (Ancelotti aside) have been significantly worse.

 

[Carl]

If that's the case and I can't see why it completely is it begs the question, why didn't Moyes take the Cup seriously? I mean he's never won a trophy and apart from a couple of seasons never really looked like finish in the top 4 consistently. Maybe he just couldn't cope tactically who knows.

I agree it's not the best for an United manager which is why no one is advocating him as their main choice, all it shows is that AVB knows how to win a competition.

Because their squad has about 15 players in it and the league is the priority. We've seen all too often teams with tiny squads attempt to play in the Europa and it costs them dearly.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

And we have challenged most years, despite having a period of lack of investment when Glazer's took over initially with increased debts while ROman was flashing the cheque book all over the place.. People forget that.

We've finished either first or second in the past eight seasons, incredible achievement. Especially when you look at Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool, who have swapped second, third, and fourth place during that period continuously. City's gazillions aside.

 

[Cevno]

So instead of Moyes we should be looking at Neville then. Let's just follow what Chelsea do instead.

Moyes has some managerial experience and PL one too. And that matters more than CL experience.

 

[Ludens the Red]

So instead of Moyes we should be looking at Neville then. Let's just follow what Chelsea do instead.



Well the Glazers still have tightened the belt and Roman still spends quite a bit on the team. The key difference at least in the league has been the fact that the manager at Chelsea (Ancelotti aside) have been significantly worse.

Let's not descend into sillyness, I'm just making the point that the "European experience" card is overplayed and actually has very little substance. Surely you can see that with the way things have unfolded in recent European competition.

 

[esmufc07]

Moyes has some managerial experience and PL one too. And that matters more than CL experience.

European experience is vital and I'm sure this has already been mentioned by the club. Mourinho had no PL experience when he came to Chelsea and he's the only other manager than Fergie to win back to back titles since 1982 when Paisley did it with Liverpool.

I'd be underwhelmed if Moyes was appointed. I'd expect him to do well in the league but I wouldn't fancy us in Europe.