Because there is not any decent English managers available?
If your telling me Harry Redknapp or David moyes is the best we can hope for after fergie
Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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Because there is not any decent English managers available?
If your telling me Harry Redknapp or David moyes is the best we can hope for after fergie
Wow I hope it's not Moyes.
Someone proven at the very top or someone young and exciting like SAF originally was.
Someone proven at the very top or someone young and exciting like SAF originally was.
His pedigree is arguably better than Queiroz's at the club level and Queiroz got two good jobs on the back of his spells as Assistant Manager here. Even if Moyes doesn't become our next manager it is probably a decent career move for him.
It is also the easiest way for him to get the European experience that he needs to be considered for a top tier position.
It is also the easiest way for him to get the European experience that he needs to be considered for a top tier position.
Because there is not any decent English managers available?
If your telling me Harry Redknapp or David moyes is the best we can hope for after fergie
Wouldn't dream of hiring an English manager. That's just common sense. A Scottish one, on the other hand...
To be fair saf turned little aberdeen into a giant killer who won important honors both locally and abroad
Reallistically, thinking about it if say SAF has god forbid decided to retire next year out of the available options only Klopp would be ahead of Moyes for me.
And when you think about it, Klopp is almost as big a risk at this stage as Moyes shifting across with different football cultures and he may not want to come either.
On a sidenote, if by the minimal chance this story were to come true in terms of being a assistant manager, then wonder what happens to Rooney? Wasn't his and Moyes' relationship all bad and some lawsuits flying with his agent or something ?
And when you think about it, Klopp is almost as big a risk at this stage as Moyes shifting across with different football cultures and he may not want to come either.
On a sidenote, if by the minimal chance this story were to come true in terms of being a assistant manager, then wonder what happens to Rooney? Wasn't his and Moyes' relationship all bad and some lawsuits flying with his agent or something ?
Not trying to downplay Fergies achievements with Aberdeen, but they were one of Scotlands big teams back then and finished 2nd the season before Fergie took over. According to what I've read online, anyway. How does everyone think Fergie would have done if he was managing Everton? It's a pretty impossible task there, I don't imagine anyone could have done much more with them.
Rooney phoned Moyes to apologise, didn't he. Doubt there's any issues there now.
He's obviously a good manager but I'd be really concerned about his inability to produce consistently good, attacking football during his time at Everton. His resources may be limited, but he doesn't seem to be able to develop teams that score lots of goals or strikers.
I was talking about that at the weekend Brophs and I think it's really down to what you can get for your bargain basement shopping. There's always good bargains to be had in defense and midfield, but to get a genuine goalscorer there's not many cheap options that will be really reliable, and the one genuine top drawer striker he had was Sold while he was still a kid so even when they developed them they didn't have them.
Cheap quality in-front of goal is rarer than hens teeth and this is the problem for clubs outside the top four. Look at the quality of the team he has now, if they had a classy striker playing they would be seriously competing to get in the top four or better.
Cheap quality in-front of goal is rarer than hens teeth and this is the problem for clubs outside the top four. Look at the quality of the team he has now, if they had a classy striker playing they would be seriously competing to get in the top four or better.
SAF managed to win 3 SPL titles, 4 Scotttish cups, 1 Scottish Super cup, 1 UEFA Cups winner cup and 1 Uefa Super cup with a team who had a fragment of the budget Rangers/Celtic had (let alone the likes of Real Madrid). I hate to say it but these kinds of records are football manager type of stuff
Moyes had done nothing of the sort.
Probably my fourth/fifth choice. Mourinho, Pep and Klopp are the three managers I would want most at United. But if we can't get on of them, then I would like either a United legend like Ole or perhaps even Giggs, or Moyes.
One thing is sure, that I won't moan a lot about him in his first three years here. Unless he makes a D'Antoni.
One thing is sure, that I won't moan a lot about him in his first three years here. Unless he makes a D'Antoni.
To be fair, there aren't that much British managers who have covered themselves with glory in the last few years. Moyes is arguably the best after SAF, and after him there are the likes of Roy and Redknapp who are at best half decent. If you look at EPL top 7 clubs, we have 3 British and four foreigners. If the top clubs usually don't have native managers, it has to be a reason for that.
Anyway, Moyes is Scottish. As is Fergie and Busby
I don't even want to get into it over Fergies record with Aberdeen as it's clearly very good. My point was more that Everton have never in a position to achieve that, unlike Aberdeen, who were one of the top teams in Scotland.
I don't think anyone could have done much better with Everton because they've had a seriously tight budget and have still been one of the top teams in England.
Thousands of helmets had been bought for the 2013-2014 season to be worn by fans sitting behind goal. Its on
Moyes is a good manager, that much is quite obvious. However, it would be a very steep learning curve for him with regards to dealing with a club of this magnitude and also very importantly, when it comes to European football. Would he be able to continue producing the brand of football expected from Manchester United while also being successful against the top managers/teams/players in the CL? Even someone as great as SAF has struggled with that so I'm not sure Moyes has it, or at least he hasn't shown it.
He said himself it's football manager stuff. SAF was a one off, so comparing anyones record to his is going to look terrible. I'm trying to think of anyone who achieved as much with such a small club as he did with Aberdeen and I can only think of Clough or perhaps a very young Mourinho.
The problem with bringing any assistant as a clear designated replacement is that the moment that man arrives, Fergie will be considered on the verge of retirement. He won't announce it, he may not even be planning to retire at the end of the season for which a new guy was brought in under him, but the speculation would be obvious. And that's something he'd want to avoid.
When Fergie goes, a new man will come in. I know it's hard to think of it this way, but that's the way it goes. And well, other clubs are doing OK with it.
Different eras, different leagues. I doubt Fergie himself would have won anything with Aberdeen a few years later. Or with Everton in the last 15 years.
Sure, Moyes could and maybe should have done slightly more. Win a cup, have a good run in Europe. Well, McLeish won the league cup while Hodgson and McLaren got to the Europa League final. I don't think that makes them United material...
He won in Europe with the equivalent of Everton and against the likes of Real Madrid.
Do you think that Moyes is United material?
I do.
Again, different era. It was easier to build and maintain a good side when you weren't one of the top guns than it is today, the gaps weren't as big. I wouldn't back Fergie as Everton manager to beat Bayern and Real as he did back then.
Do I think Moyes is United material? Possibly. The reality is that much like everyone else here - even those who are certain that they know - I don't really know. He's a good manager, he's done excellent work, who knows if he can make the step up and adapt.
I would have liked to have seen Moyes make a step up with another club and see how he goes. I don't expect and don't really want that step up and experiment to be done with United.
Fergie's Aberdeen is NOT the equivalent of today's Everton.
Would Shalke not be perfect for Moyes at this point in his career? If he's taken Everton as far as he feels they can go on their budget, then why not test himself at a club in Europe? Why not show people what he can do without the limitations he feels are currently holding him back? Giving him a shot at managing one of the biggest (if not the biggest) clubs in the world after a year in SAFs shadow is more of a punt than some are making out. I personally don't see Moyes as a winner the way I do with those I regard as amongst the best current managers such as Pep, Klopp and Mourinho. Can SAF teach someone to have that winning character?
I'm just not a fan of Moyes at all and the football his teams play. It has nothing to do with being British or not having a fancy name either.
I'm just not a fan of Moyes at all and the football his teams play. It has nothing to do with being British or not having a fancy name either.
I was wondering, all this talk about Everton's lack of resources, apart from Scousepool, which club/clubs have finished below Everton in the league which has more resources than them?
I don't know the answer but would be interested to know.
I don't know the answer but would be interested to know.
That's a really good post Amir. We don;t know but he most certainly could step up.
I hate those who come on post 'yuck moyes' or childish shite like that they want a foreign manager. It's just transfer muppetry for a different position.
I hate those who come on post 'yuck moyes' or childish shite like that they want a foreign manager. It's just transfer muppetry for a different position.
It's been answered in this thread and analysed pretty well.
That simply isn't comparable. The landscape of European football was very different back then.
Who is United material? Unless you've been employed by a huge club with resources big enough to compete at the very highest level you aren't "United material" according to some people. People are feckin' funny, as they say. Moyes is a big no, 'cause he hasn't won any major trophies. Alternatively, he's a big no 'cause he has been content to remain at Everton - which is interpreted as proof that he has no ambition. We all know how bloody easy it is to be appointed manager of one of the very few teams capable of challenging for the major titles, so - yeah, he must be shite.
Pep Guardiola, on the other hand, is as plausible a candidate as they come. A man who was tailor made for the one gig he has on his CV. A manager who had the greatest selection of talents in recent memory at his disposal. And no measly transfer budget either.
Aw, feck. I'm not saying Pep isn't a genius. We might be better placed to pass judgment in a year or so, though. Point is, the average Internet feckwit knows slightly less about running a football club than one Alex Ferguson. Call me an idiot but I think it's quite significant that Fergie rates Moyes as highly as he does.
The problem with Moyes is that not everyone will be in favour of the appointment. He will have some against him from day 1 and will not be allowed any patience. Whereas Jose for instance would have most of the support smitten so even if he got off to a bad start supporters would be more lenient.
Moyes is simply not fashionable enough for many.
Moyes is simply not fashionable enough for many.
The other name bandied around by the same people who say no to Moyes is Ole. Similarly I have no issue with Ole and in the future I'd love to see him back home at United but how can you consider Ole/Giggs/Neville to be realistic alternatives whilst dismissing Moyes out of hand??
Jose simply wont happen though RF. It's not a viable option IMO. If he goes to Chelsea this summer then people just need to forget him.
Just using him as an example and also that he would be many people's choice.
I really would prefer he stayed from Utd. And for now I think we are safe.
Good question. It would seem to say something about the extent of sheer muppetry involved, if I may be so bold.
As said above, Moyes just isn't very fashionable. He's been the manager of an unfashionable side for years. Some people will never be able to see past that.
I don't know if Moyes is the right man for this extremely difficult job. I'm not sure anyone is, really. But I do know that some of the hostility towards him is based on nothing but muppetry and prejudice.
Same as that. It'll be someone else though then, whomever is the nearest thing to Jose.
Edit: that was in response to Randall.
Edit: that was in response to Randall.
Giggs???
Alan Shearer was a Newcastle legend. That went well.
League position is more or less set by club income (or more consistently by club wage bill). By that criteria, Moyes has done well. He's kept them in the top third, while their wage bill was in the middle third. But they haven't actually won anything, not a League Cup, not even a great run in the Europa League.
Then there's Moyes himself. It's arguable that no one could do now, what SAF did with an Aberdeen then. But here's the thing, would a Ferguson have stayed with an Aberdeen that was doomed to think not winning was OK? Or would he have looked for a club with the cash to compete.
We can talk about loyalty, but SAF left a winning Aberdeen to come to us. Moyes stayed put at a does OK Everton - loyalty, lack of ambition, or doubt?
Then there's Moyes himself. It's arguable that no one could do now, what SAF did with an Aberdeen then. But here's the thing, would a Ferguson have stayed with an Aberdeen that was doomed to think not winning was OK? Or would he have looked for a club with the cash to compete.
We can talk about loyalty, but SAF left a winning Aberdeen to come to us. Moyes stayed put at a does OK Everton - loyalty, lack of ambition, or doubt?
SAF Is by far the greatest manager we have ever had, however he was also in charge of our best ever team at that point. Willie Miller was one of the best players in the world and a couple more of our player were world class. We were operating on a small budget which is why a couple of years later, our better players were poached. In terms of the quality of players we had, it's not comparable to Moyes at Everton but Fergie punched more above his weight with us than Moyes ever has at Everton. Gothenburg is a night that will never be forgotten in the North east of Scotland.
Aw c'mon Irwin, you're not going to make me look back through 1300 posts are you?
Give us a clue, just names of clubs, that's all.
So you want me to go through and find the answer for you.
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