But ... Phelan ... noooooo!
Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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Why would he do that unless he is guaranteed to have a shot at succeeding SAF ? And even then it sort of undermines SAF till then with him as assistant ?
Probably bollocks.
Probably bollocks.
One thing it doesn't do is undermine Fergie. FFS, having the power to get one of the top rated managers in the League with 15 odd years of experience to come in as your assistant would be quite the opposite.
I think it's undermining Moyes to a degree, but if he's been assured of a good chance of getting the job at the end of the day then it's win win. We get a chance to try before we buy, he gets a years experience at top flight European football and a season competing for the league which he's not going to get anywhere else.
I thought Moyes chance had gone the longer he stayed at Everton, but this is a viable alternative. There will be some very upset retards on here if this does go ahead but I fail to see the downside.
I think it's undermining Moyes to a degree, but if he's been assured of a good chance of getting the job at the end of the day then it's win win. We get a chance to try before we buy, he gets a years experience at top flight European football and a season competing for the league which he's not going to get anywhere else.
I thought Moyes chance had gone the longer he stayed at Everton, but this is a viable alternative. There will be some very upset retards on here if this does go ahead but I fail to see the downside.
I'm not sure how this gives him "a years experience ibn top flight European football" - unless Fergie is going to let him pick the team, decide what tactics are employed and work with the players all week. Being assistant is hardly the same as actually having to do the job.
This might be a viable proposition - but it doesnt change the facts. Namely that Moyes, as good as he is, has never managed a top side, nor had any experience in Europe. He's therefore a risk. Taking over from Fergie will be a massive task, arguably the biggest any manager has ever faced. You wont know whether he can handle the pressure and expectation until he's in the job.
Would certainly be interesting to see how it panned out - my view, if he comes as a number 2 he's guaranteed the job, or he deosnt bother. Its not as if he's new to management or desperate for a start. Why waste years which could be used to get top level management experience either in this country or elsewhere?
Well that's fair enough, and I know what you mean it's not the same if he's not picking the team, but it's closer to it than he'll get at Everton. I think lots here would have been happy for Carlos Queiroz to take over straight from being No2 so they shouldn't have issues with Moyes doing the same thing.
I also agree that if he's coming here as an assistant then he's getting the job.
I also agree that if he's coming here as an assistant then he's getting the job.
Poor Phelan, I've always considered him as some kind of the football's version of Napoleon Bonaparte. SAF would have won nothing without him. m
Don't cry for Phelan. He's about to go forth and take the managerial world by storm a la Steve Clark.
interesting
Moyes always reminds me of the lad from Rome (the guy from trainspotting)
"13!!"
Moyes always reminds me of the lad from Rome (the guy from trainspotting)
"13!!"
cue threads
"what does Moyes do at United?. we need to have Carlos back!!! #bringCarlosHome"
"what does Moyes do at United?. we need to have Carlos back!!! #bringCarlosHome"
Maybe - but at Everton he has the continued challenges that face a manager on a daily basis. I'm not sure stepping away from that for a couple of years is what he needs.
For the record I think he's a good manager - but this suggestion of working "alongside" another manager, however great he is, seems (to me at least) a bit beneath him given the experience he has in the game.
I'd say he has far more chance of people taking notice of him by being his own man and being succesful in his own right at a good side. Whether that opportunity is coming his way in the near future I'm not sure.
IF it happens, Fergie will have gotten his way. I believe he wanted Moyes as number 2 when he was at Preston and before he went to Everton
I really doubt this would happen as IMO it would not suit the Glazer business model to have a 'punt' on a manager who has no experience of managing a top European club.
Won't the Glazer's prefer a consistent league manager ? Ultimately qualifying for CL regularly matters more than actually the difference between reaching 1st knockout round to Semi finals.
That's essentially what I said a few posts back when it was suggested that this might be undermining SAF. If it's undermining anyone it's Moyes, but then if he's an ambitious man and he's been promised a crack at the United job then I can see why he'd do it. It's like going from being the CEO at a decent sized regional company to being a Director at a conglomerate. It might be a step down in title, but a step up in reality.
This I think is pretty close to where the truth is. Qualifying for Europe is more important than doing well in it financially. Moyes I think would bring with him a level of consistency in the League and hopefully if we can stay consistently in the top 2-3 in the Prem then we'll continue to win titles, probably not with the regularity that Fergie could deliver, but I don't know if anyone could follow that.
If this was true, doesn't anyone see it as another example of Moyes's lack of ambition? And before you say, the chance to succeed SAF shows his ambition, I say bollocks. He's hung around at Everton, gawd knows why, forever.
If he wants to show ambition, & insists on staying at Everton, he needs to win the Europa League next season (will they even be in the competition?) or he should go to a team where he can prove himself worthy by at least playing in Europe & making a decent fist of it, for a few years.
Hopefully this is just paper bollocks, imagine a 'top' manager like Moyes acting as understudy in a league which he knows so well. Ridiculous.
If he wants to show ambition, & insists on staying at Everton, he needs to win the Europa League next season (will they even be in the competition?) or he should go to a team where he can prove himself worthy by at least playing in Europe & making a decent fist of it, for a few years.
Hopefully this is just paper bollocks, imagine a 'top' manager like Moyes acting as understudy in a league which he knows so well. Ridiculous.
If this were to happen, it would mean SAF setting a fixed retirement date 1-3 years in advance. Can't see that happening. If SAF feels good, he shouldn't have to go any earlier just because Moyes is waiting.
Moyes would learn a lot more and by going out and getting a new job of his own somewhere in Europe. Though may be he's had talks with us and SAF and we've insisted he do this.
Moyes would learn a lot more and by going out and getting a new job of his own somewhere in Europe. Though may be he's had talks with us and SAF and we've insisted he do this.
I'm not so sure. If I were Moyes and United were making noises about wanting me I'd be concerned that they'd want me to "audition" before hand. Surely if they think I'm good enough that's based on what I've already achieved? Do I really need to go and be a number 2?
Bottom line for me, if he goes to a another decent European club and does well then a lot of the top sides will be in for him, not just United. he has a good reputation already so I'm not sure how he imprioves that by becoming Fergie's "protege".
I'd also be concerned that what they actually wanted was for me to come in and just do what Fergie does, day to day and not be my own man or make my own decisions.
That may be all well and good in theory, but in reality if and when Fergie goes the new manager (whoever that is) needs to be able to come in with a clean slate and be backed in whatever decision he makes as it'll be difficult enough trying to fill his boots.
Win all the trophies, Moyes, you fecking gayballs.
The other way of looking at it is if he fails at a new job, that's his chance gone. Big risk if he picks the wrong job.
This way, it's relatively low risk and all he has to do is impress behind the scenes.
I can't see how it would do anything but benefit his career by doing this. Lets say he does a year at United as No2 then doesn't get the United job I can see his stock being higher than it is now.
It's a very strange situation as I don't feel Moyes needs to do this to prove himself, but if it's what the club do then I think I'd be happy enough with it.
It's a very strange situation as I don't feel Moyes needs to do this to prove himself, but if it's what the club do then I think I'd be happy enough with it.
He's got it better at Everton that a lot of people will have you believe.
There is little expectation, his best players (generally) stay because they get massive wages for a club that size and while he's not got mega millions to spend he gets decent money to spend on players every now and again.
He also gets a huge salary.
Wont happen - Top utd exec's have said it needs to be a manager with European experience.
Moyes has had 1/2 seasons in the europa and not done particularly well. He has stagnated at Everton and will probably miss the Utd job aswell unless he moves up quickly.
I would personally prefer a foreign manager with experience.
Moyes has had 1/2 seasons in the europa and not done particularly well. He has stagnated at Everton and will probably miss the Utd job aswell unless he moves up quickly.
I would personally prefer a foreign manager with experience.
You are a headcase dude.
I threw that in to see if you were on your toes
Most people agree that he needs to prove himself in Europe first though. It wouldn't really say much for the ambition of United either tbf. We should be going for an elite manager such as Mourinho/Guardiola or even Klopp. Moyes would certainly be a step down. Don't forget that when SAF came here we needed to try something different. Now we need a top top manger to continue the success.
You can't seriously believe that Moyes is that man? That would make you the headcase, dude.
Everyone would be a step down so that's not a relevant argument. I think that you underestimate what Moyes has achieved and how he's gone about his business but that's been covered countless times in here so there's no point going over it again. I have the height of respect for Moyes and would be more then happy if he was the next man.
Would hardly be a punt, though. If there's anything to this Moyes is clearly Fergie's chosen man as successor. He would be eased into the job, as it were, and this too would be in accordance with Fergie's wishes. The Glazers will trust Fergie's judgment, they have no reason not to.
Could be just bollocks from the Mail, of course. Moyes' contract expires soon, he has been mentioned before as a candidate, Fergie rates him highly, etc. Two plus two equals three and a half.
I threw that in to see if you were on your toes
Most people agree that he needs to prove himself in Europe first though. It wouldn't really say much for the ambition of United either tbf. We should be going for an elite manager such as Mourinho/Guardiola or even Klopp. Moyes would certainly be a step down. Don't forget that when SAF came here we needed to try something different. Now we need a top top manger to continue the success.
You can't seriously believe that Moyes is that man? That would make you the headcase, dude.
I'm pretty sure there's a contradiction in there somewhere.
The only way Moyes have to win something is to become SAF's no 2. Simples
God the thought of Moyes taking over from SAF is worrying. It's a disaster waiting to happen, really hope he doesn't get anywhere near the OT job he's not good enough.
He would be the worlds highest paid Mike Phelan.
Here's the thing: He won't go anywhere near Old Trafford unless Fergie wants him to. Which means that unless Fergie is a clueless old git we have nothing to worry about.
what is everyones obsession with foreign managers?
How does British football ever improve if everyone continues to think that foreign managers are somehow better?
Its gonna be tough to sign him up though. I can see the likes of Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and Barcelona stepping for his signature if he ever becomes available.
whoever succeeds Fergie is on a hiding to nothing
Likely to be bollocks.
Never heard of him.
he's Dutch
If he was called Moyinho it would be a different story.
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