Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

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I think we should shroud our new manager in a veil of anonymity, like The Stig. Give him a special helmet and make him do his interviews with one of those voice transformers. The advantages of this are:

1) We dont need to bring in a glamorous manager, we wont know who he is anyway. Results will be all that matters.
2) When we are bored we can entertain ourselves trying to guess who it is.
3) If we start now, it will ease the transition for a new manager, as we can go on believing SAF is the man in the helmet for a good few years.
4) We'll never know for sure if our manager is one person, or if he has been sacked and replaced - perhaps many times. Therefore the manager will never be under any pressure. There could even be numerous managers at any one time, taking it in turns, though they will all need to be roughly the same build.
5) It will show leadership and a commitment to innovation appropriate for the 21st century.
 
Top four finish isn't going to happen this year and due to the way Everton is setup I doubt it will ever happen again. 5th place should be their target, If Moyles achieves this then I would say it has been a successful season for him.
 
But where to in Germany? Dortmund and Bayern won't be looking for a manager anytime soon. Leverkusen are managed by a Hyypia/Lewandowski duo which has worked fine so far but might struggle long term just as pretty much any duo has and Schalke have a relatively unknown manager too. Those two teams are the only realistic targets, perhaps Stuttgart, Hamburg and Wolfsburg too because they have the money, other than that no club in Bundesliga could lure Moyes. Even at those 5 clubs his only aim will be to finish in top 4 and have good cup runs because none of them will break the duopoly.
 
Sarni said:
But where to in Germany? Dortmund and Bayern won't be looking for a manager anytime soon. Leverkusen are managed by a Hyypia/Lewandowski duo which has worked fine so far but might struggle long term just as pretty much any duo has and Schalke have a relatively unknown manager too. Those two teams are the only realistic targets, perhaps Stuttgart, Hamburg and Wolfsburg too because they have the money, other than that no club in Bundesliga could lure Moyes. Even at those 5 clubs his only aim will be to finish in top 4 and have good cup runs because none of them will break the duopoly.
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He was linked to the Schalke job wasnt he?

Point is, who in the PL will give him a job if he leaves Everton and wants a "step up"? If he leaves Everton, he needs a job, or he ends up like a better Alan Curbishly - a few seasons and you're considered out of touch with the game.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
I am not sure how anyone can conclude that Everton is his'level'. I am not advocating for him to be Manchester United manager but I would like to see him challenged at the next level. He says that he is interested in managing in Germany. I think that would be an interesting move for him.
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What job in Germany though? he's not getting the Bayern or Dortmund job and the rest of the league is pretty average, I dont think there's a job in world football where he's got a shot at winning things who will hire him. Everton is the best he will probably get to be honest hence the 'that's his level' comment.
 
Castia said:
What job in Germany though? he's not getting the Bayern or Dortmund job and the rest of the league is pretty average, I dont think there's a job in world football where he's got a shot at winning things who will hire him. Everton is the best he will probably get to be honest hence the 'that's his level' comment.
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Huh ? There are other leagues and competitions in the world too, you know ?

And Everton budget wise shouldn't even be in the top 5/6 clubs in the Prem. It's down to Moyes they get there. They are not a club which is entitled to it or spending money to that affect.
 
Schalke publicly expressed interest in getting him IIRC.

There are plenty of clubs in the PL below Everton that spend more money than them too. But the problem is that it isn't enough to bridge the gap consistently.
 
Colin129 said:
His opportunity was Spuds in the summer, was he in the running?
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Think he was but Moyes controls everything at Everton largely, while Levy controls most things at Spurs. He wanted someone who could fit into that system of management so picked AVB.

He's been linked with the Chelski job too, but similar problem would come up with Roman.

Probably his next shot to move up might come if some club gets new money.
 
Cevno said:
Huh ? There are other leagues and competitions in the world too, you know ?
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Name a club who will realistically hire Moyes who have a good chance of winning things other than some D grade European league. He's not even got a chance in a league like Holland unless he takes over somebody like Twente and even then thats a step down from Everton. I can't see him getting a top job in either England, Italy, Spain or Germany, he'd do well to get better than Everton. If he leaves Everton and doesn't get a job fast he will be back in the premier league at Christmas managing a lowly placed team who have just sacked their manager, Harry Redknapp style.
 
Castia said:
Name a club who will realistically hire Moyes who have a good chance of winning things other than some D grade European league. He's not even got a chance in a league like Holland unless he takes over somebody like Twente and even then thats a step down from Everton.
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You said - "I dont think there's a job in world football where he's got a shot at winning things."

This is Untrue. Now you are just shifting goalposts. Same as you did when you said "Everton is his level" and then tried to justify it by saying that "no club at a shot of winning things" will want him which makes no sense anyway as -

1) It depends on which job is vacant at the time when he decides to leave anyway.

2) Will he want to go to that league/Club.

That in no way means Everton is his level which has a completely different meaning. That's like saying because no PL club would take Zola right now or he won't move to the clubs, so Championship is his level.

Anyways, i am sure both PSV and Ajax will appoint him if they can afford him in Holland given a vacancy. But he won't go there anyway, so moot point.

In England Chelsea would probably take him, if he sacrifices his management style to work under Roman and whoever directors they have there. Same was the case with Spurs. Probably will be in contention for the City job too if Mancini leaves though don't think he will get it.

Which other clubs that have a shot at winning things have a vacancy right now ? Schalke in Germany did express a interest, but not sure they qualify in this criteria and not sure he'll want to go there though they are usually in CL.
 
Castia said:
If he leaves Everton and doesn't get a job fast he will be back in the premier league at Christmas managing a lowly placed team who have just sacked their manager, Harry Redknapp style.
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If he Leaves Everton, then Everton themselves given their financial restrictions become a lowly placed team. Especially if they appoint lesser and wasteful managers Sunderland style.

He'll obviously leave Everton if he has a good job somewhere anyways.
 
Adebesi said:
I think we should shroud our new manager in a veil of anonymity, like The Stig. Give him a special helmet and make him do his interviews with one of those voice transformers. The advantages of this are:

1) We dont need to bring in a glamorous manager, we wont know who he is anyway. Results will be all that matters.
2) When we are bored we can entertain ourselves trying to guess who it is.
3) If we start now, it will ease the transition for a new manager, as we can go on believing SAF is the man in the helmet for a good few years.
4) We'll never know for sure if our manager is one person, or if he has been sacked and replaced - perhaps many times. Therefore the manager will never be under any pressure. There could even be numerous managers at any one time, taking it in turns, though they will all need to be roughly the same build.
5) It will show leadership and a commitment to innovation appropriate for the 21st century.
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This is the only way to go. Sadly, I fear it's simply too brilliant for these mundane times.

If we went with this model, though, we should extend it to the players as well: They would play with Nixon masks, all wearing the No7 shirt. Nobody could complain about Ando's lack of fitness anymore - because they wouldn't know where he was on the pitch, or even if he was on the pitch - or even if he still remained at the club. Muppets banging on about the need to buy Götze would face the ultimate reply: How do you know we haven't signed him already?
 
Im shifting no goal posts, my point from the first post was that out of the top 4-5 leagues in Europe I doubt there's a top 3-4 team who would appoint Moyes even if the vacancy was available. Maybe I worded the 'it's his level' comment wrong I didn't mean to disrespect the guy he's a good manager but I think he will find it hard getting a bigger team then Everton, a club that's fighting for a top 4 place in one of the biggest leagues in the world.

I don't agree that he' be a candidate for the city job, just like he wasn't for the Spurs and Chelsea jobs that have come up over the last few seasons. Inter or Milan sack their manager is Moyes a candidate? I doubt that, same goes for the German league maybe he'd be a candidate for Schalke should they replace their manager but even that's not certain. They get CL football but he's just going to be in the same boat as Everton, there's little to no chance of him going past Bayern or Dortmund in the near future it would be a waste of time moving.

Just look at Redknapp it just shows what can happen, one minute your in a big job being touted for greater things, the next your managing (and relegating) a Premier League team, id put money on Moyes going downhill if he left Everton.
 
No Moyes.

What has he won?

Compare that with SAF when he joined. He'd beaten Real Madrid in a European final.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Big Sam has had wins away those teams, it doesnt mean he is a better manager.

Obviously it is a very poor record, one reason would be that all the big clubs consider Everton a tough game, play their best side and prepare better for them.
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That why it's a surprising stat because worse managers with worse teams have achieved it in fewer attempts. Moyes has had 11 years and not one win.

And for those saying Liverpool isn't a big 4 I agree but they were at various points over Moyes 11 year tenure and its surely Evertons biggest game of the season given the rivalry.

Also tottenham probably aren't included as who would argue they've been a big 4 team over the last 11 years?

That stat isn't the be all and end all but it's quite surprising imo.
 
LR7 said:
That why it's a surprising stat because worse managers with worse teams have achieved it in fewer attempts. Moyes has had 11 years and not one win.

And for those saying Liverpool isn't a big 4 I agree but they were at various points over Moyes 11 year tenure and its surely Evertons biggest game of the season given the rivalry.

Also tottenham probably aren't included as who would argue they've been a big 4 team over the last 11 years?

That stat isn't the be all and end all but it's quite surprising imo.
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It's a misleading stat anyway seeing as Chelsea had a period of three seasons without a home loss and United usually lose once or twice a season at Old Trafford so it's very difficult to pick up three points at any of these grounds. Arsenal lost their first game at Emirates after two years I think and have lost less than 10 games since then I think. He's beaten all top sides at Goodison quite often and have got draws at difficult grounds from time to time.
 
Probably nothing in it but Paddy Power slashed odds from 7/2 to 1/2 today after a flood of bets during the night. It's now 4/7...
 
Saw that, they are saying they've had a load of money overnight on it. It would be a 'meh' appointment in my eyes. He's clearly an excellent manager but no experience in the modern day CL? Not for me. Not for a club this big.
 
I like everton and moyes but they've bored me into a coma with a few of their games this season. It might just be pure misfortune that they've had 3 dull 0-0 draws on sky lately.
 
Tbf though they've literally got about 12/13 players that are good and so they have to play the same players a lot, look how much we rotate for freshness. No surprise they're tailing off again, but 6th place with the comparative resources of the teams above and below them is again an excellent achievement. Per this website; http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-2003-to-date.html, their net spend per season is so low in comparison. Sure the figures probably aren't exact but I doubt they're that far off.
 
I remember SAF stating that his successor must have 'extensive (competitive) European experience'; Moyes hardly fits that bill.
 
Moyes to come in as assistant manager could be a worthwhile venture for a few years. Don't see it happening though.
 
One thing is certain. I will not be touching those Paddy Power odds.
 
Ash_G said:
Tbf though they've literally got about 12/13 players that are good and so they have to play the same players a lot, look how much we rotate for freshness. No surprise they're tailing off again, but 6th place with the comparative resources of the teams above and below them is again an excellent achievement. Per this website; http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-2003-to-date.html, their net spend per season is so low in comparison. Sure the figures probably aren't exact but I doubt they're that far off.
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Yep, plus there wage budget is quite low compared to most of the other teams too. It's remarkable that he has kept them there or thereabouts for so long.

Won't be my first choice or second, but won't mind him taking over from SAF either when he retires. Though, it depends all on timing.

Btw, one thing i don't get is how come all of a sudden many people rate Laudrup over him.
 
Cevno said:
Yep, plus there wage budget is quite low compared to most of the other teams too. It's remarkable that he has kept them there or thereabouts for so long.

Won't be my first choice or second, but won't mind him taking over from SAF either when he retires. Though, it depends all on timing.

Btw, one thing i don't get is how come all of a sudden many people rate Laudrup over him.
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Foreign, innit.

Though, in fairness, Laudrup has won a trophy.
 
Cevno said:
Yep, plus there wage budget is quite low compared to most of the other teams too. It's remarkable that he has kept them there or thereabouts for so long.

Won't be my first choice or second, but won't mind him taking over from SAF either when he retires. Though, it depends all on timing.

Btw, one thing i don't get is how come all of a sudden many people rate Laudrup over him.
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He wouldn't be my first choice either but I'd have no problem if he was being considered. There's no reason he couldn't step up.

Laudrup is nothing new, I don't know what it's like in other countries but there's always a manager of the moment in England. Last season it was Pardew, there's always someone who does particularly well one year, gets lots of attention and then can't follow it up. That's why Moyes is so well regarded by his peers if not by general fans. He isn't a one season wonder, year after year, he gets on with what he's got and defies what his resources suggest he should attain. Maybe tbh he's done it so well people take it for granted.
 
Moyes has built a club there really though hasn't he. Before that Everton were languishing in the lower part of the Prem, now they are steely, determined and damn difficult to beat.

Lost just 6 PL games out of 36, yes they've drawn far too many but that is still an outstanding record for someone with his budget. Goodison Park has been a fortress this season in the league. His stock couldn't be higher and I don't think it's realistically possible to do any better than what he's done this season.

I still don't think he's the right man for us mind, but I don't know where there is a better job that he can possibly leave Everton for.
 
That Brendan Rogers impressed me at Swansea last year ... oh wait a minute.
 
Moyes needs to go to abroad to a UcL team to show what he can do before he is even to be considered for the United job.

I'm not talking about a big club like Real or Barca as he has no chance but a smaller Champions League team. There were rumours of Schalke recently. That's the profile of club he needs to aim for.
 
I do rate Moyes as a manager but like others say it'd be a massive risk to appoint someone without Champions League experience. I'd be more assured though if he does have a spell as assistant before any final decision is made.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Moyes needs to go to abroad to a UcL team to show what he can do before he is even to be considered for the United job.

I'm not talking about a big club like Real or Barca as he has no chance but a smaller Champions League team. There were rumours of Schalke recently. That's the profile of club he needs to aim for.
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Exactly.

Unless he can prove himself like that, forget it.

SAF won in Europe with Aberdeen ffs
 
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