Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

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I'd feel more secure about Moyes if he took a few years out and just came in to be our assistant manager, or perhaps take charge but with Fergie in an advisory capacity aiding the transition..

Let him get used to the demands of a title run and a european campaign with strong support behind him.

As it stands, I don't think he's ready and it would take him time to get used to it. In the modern game, time is precious.. can get left behind pretty easily.
 
Ash_G said:
Him being one of the very few pundits willing to give his honest opinion on players/teams rather than just spout the same stuff that the majority of pundits doo, doesn't for me put him ahead of Moyes. It is encouraging for his managerial career if he does start though that he's able to explain clearly to others his thoughts on the game, I'd imagiine thats why a lot of good players don't become good managers because they aren't able to communicate their knowledge appropriately.

But to put him ahead of Moyes is going way ott, especially in the context of most yours and other arguments which is that you want a manager who has won trophies already.
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Hence I put him fourth. If we can't get the best (with capello and the rest of the old guards are deemed expired), might as well go local
 
I can see Klopp getting courted by the likes of City and Chelsea, and possibly Madrid. If so, Moyes could be a contender for the Dortmund or Bayern jobs if those clubs rated him.
 
Theon said:
Different managers are good at different things. Mourinho's a good manager but I don't like his record with youth players or his approach to transfers, plus his attitude is entertaining but can be embarassing at times.
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The "youth players" thing has been done to death on the Mourinho thread - but I don't agree regarding his transfers.

Drogba, Carvalho, Essien at Chelsea were key - Drogba especially.

At Madrid he's also spent well. They're a much better side than when he took over and relatively young as well.
 
Raoul said:
I can see Klopp getting courted by the likes of City and Chelsea, and possibly Madrid. If so, Moyes could be a contender for the Dortmund or Bayern jobs if those clubs rated him.
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Not speaking a word of German would be a problem wouldn't it?
 
RedRover said:
The "youth players" thing has been done to death on the Mourinho thread - but I don't agree regarding his transfers.

Drogba, Carvalho, Essien at Chelsea were key - Drogba especially.

At Madrid he's also spent well. They're a much better side than when he took over and relatively young as well.
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He's not a manager who tends to make do with what he's got, he's become very accustomed to splashing money out wherever he goes.
 
Raoul said:
I can see Klopp getting courted by the likes of City and Chelsea, and possibly Madrid. If so, Moyes could be a contender for the Dortmund or Bayern jobs if those clubs rated him.
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Not a chance. German clubs tend to go for managers with Bundesliga experience, then there's the language barrier and the fact that British managers seldom go abroad to ply their trade. There'd be a dozen managers ahead of Moyes for those two jobs.
 
Zen86 said:
He's not a manager who tends to make do with what he's got, he's become very accustomed to splashing money out wherever he goes.
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I don't see that that's a problem if what you've got isn't good enough to do the job you're asked to do. No manager is a miracle worker.

Surely part of a managers job is to come in, identify the problems and put them right. If there isn't a solution already in the squad then what else do you do? Its a tough job to buy the right players and mould a team.

Real were miles behind Barca and for me he's bought shrewdly - the likes of Ozil, Khedira and bringing Callejon back to go with the top players he already had were smart moves.

If we need a manager who's going to come in and be placed under such constraints that they have to "make do" then the club has far bigger problems than who the next manager is going to be.

besides - Fergie has spent to solve problems. De Gea cost a fortune and after struggling with goals last year he's spend £20 plus million in tranfser fee and another £20 plus million on his wages over the contract on RVP. Seems like a good move to me.
 
RedRover said:
I don't see that that's a problem if what you've got isn't good enough to do the job you're asked to do. No manager is a miracle worker.

Surely part of a managers job is to come in, identify the problems and put them right. If there isn't a solution already in the squad then what else do you do? Its a tough job to buy the right players and mould a team.

Real were miles behind Barca and for me he's bought shrewdly - the likes of Ozil, Khedira and bringing Callejon back to go with the top players he already had were smart moves.

If we need a manager who's going to come in and be placed under such constraints that they have to "make do" then the club has far bigger problems than who the next manager is going to be.

besides - Fergie has spent to solve problems. De Gea cost a fortune and after struggling with goals last year he's spend £20 plus million in tranfser fee and another £20 plus million on his wages over the contract on RVP. Seems like a good move to me.
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All else aside, I'm not sure how you can describe Mourinho's tranfser record at Madrid as 'shrewd'. He's spent a lot and they're still miles behind Barca, this season in the league at least.
 
kietotheworld said:
Klopp doesn't speak a word of English, it doesn't stop him from being linked with top jobs in England.
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If that's the case then I would see it as a major major barrier to Klopp getting the job.

I'm actually disappointed about that as I thought he was a genuine contender. Where did you get that info from or do you just know it?
 
Irwinwastheking said:
If that's the case then I would see it as a major major barrier to Klopp getting the job.

I'm actually disappointed about that as I thought he was a genuine contender. Where did you get that info from or do you just know it?
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They were talking about his prospects on either The Game or Football Weekly on Monday and it came up. They're the football Podcasts of The Times and the Guardian respectively. I don't see why that should rule him out in any case, some people actually bother to learn other languages to help their careers, Fabio Capello for example.
 
Fair play, this thread has been a constant hit over the past week or so.

I like Moyes, and I think he's done wonders at Everton considering the ins and outs of the club. Do I think he'll be the next United boss? There's a chance. Fergie likes him, and he's clearly a loyal manager. His European record isn't great, or safe to say that he doesn't really possess an European record at all.

There are a few I'd take rather than Moyes, but he wouldn't be a bad choice.
 
kietotheworld said:
They were talking about his prospects on either The Game or Football Weekly on Monday and it came up. They're the football Podcasts of The Times and the Guardian respectively. I don't see why that should rule him out in any case, some people actually bother to learn other languages to help their careers, Fabio Capello for example.
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I think a manager should learn the language prior to taking a job in a new country. No doubt that would be easier for Klopp than it would be for Moyes as continental Europeans seem to have a much greater propensity for languages than us Islanders. Not knowing the language of the majority of the players, most of the staff, the fans and the media in the country where you manage is a huge handicap. Capello wasn't log ramping up on his English and that helped him greatly.
 
Zen86 said:
All else aside, I'm not sure how you can describe Mourinho's tranfser record at Madrid as 'shrewd'. He's spent a lot and they're still miles behind Barca, this season in the league at least.
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They won the title last year, could win the CL this year, beat Barca in the spanish cup and have a decent record head to head.

Barca are so far ahead of everyone else currently with the team they have, its almost impossible for most sides to compete - but to me Real are a lot closer than they were and rather than a team full of ageing stars they once had, they have a young side who once the top Barca players wane, will probably do very well. Football works in cycles and currently the Barca team are probably one of the best clubs sides ever seen - it wont be like that forever.

I question whether if another manager had been appointed Barca would have been even more dominant than they have been over the last couple of years. The question is, what could he have done to get Madrid "closer" - I'm sure he'd like to find himself a Xavi and an Iniesta or a team who've played together for years in the same youth system but that's just not realistic.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
I think a manager should learn the language prior to taking a job in a new country. No doubt that would be easier for Klopp than it would be for Moyes as continental Europeans seem to have a much greater propensity for languages than us Islanders. Not knowing the language of the majority of the players, most of the staff, the fans and the media in the country where you manage is a huge handicap. Capello wasn't log ramping up on his English and that helped him greatly.
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I'm not sure if it's necessary, a club can hire interpreters while the manager's getting to grips with the language, it's not too difficult to get enough nailed down to be able to communicate to a sufficient level, most communication is done by body language and facial expressions anyway, the major problem would be at press conferences, where he'd have to speak through an interpreter.

Assuming it would be easier for Klopp based on a couple of national/continental stereotypes is a rather flimsy basis for an argument, but of course it favours Moyes so it must be true in your eyes. How do you know Moyes doesn't speak any foreign languages already?
 
What are you talking about you mad man?

That was a compliment for Klopp if anything, and it's not a 'flimsy stereotype' either. It's a fact that a much higher percentage of continental Europeans speak multiple languages than people from Britain and Ireland. I was basing it on the fact someone above said he doesn't speak German.

Kie you really are one of the most irritating posters I've ever read. You take a stance and are so entrenched on it with a complete refusal to listen to reason that you can twist anything to fit into your POV. How you can twist me saying that it could be easier for Klopp (who I said 2 posts ago that I would have liked to see here) to learn a language as an argument in favour of Moyes.
 
Moyes would do well at Dortmund. I think we have tried to replicate their style in ways this season.
 
SilentWitness said:
Moyes would do well at Dortmund. I think we have tried to replicate their style in ways this season.
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Sshhhh. Everton play boring long ball lump it up to the big man tactics. It's all Moyes is capable. Now I just have to figure out who the big man is and we'll be away!!
 
Irwinwastheking said:
What are you talking about you mad man?

That was a compliment for Klopp if anything, and it's not a 'flimsy stereotype' either. It's a fact that a much higher percentage of continental Europeans speak multiple languages than people from Britain and Ireland. I was basing it on the fact someone above said he doesn't speak German.

Kie you really are one of the most irritating posters I've ever read. You take a stance and are so entrenched on it with a complete refusal to listen to reason that you can twist anything to fit into your POV. How you can twist me saying that it could be easier for Klopp (who I said 2 posts ago that I would have liked to see here) to learn a language as an argument in favour of Moyes.
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It just sounds like another one of these excuses for him not taking on any big jobs - it's impossible for him to learn other languages because he's from Scotland, but other managers can learn them because they're from continental Europe.

Lazy stereotypes aside, you're right, Klopp probably could learn English if he was interested enough in advancing in his career, much like any other manager could learn a foreign language if he wants to take over a foreign team.
 
RedRover said:
They won the title last year, could win the CL this year, beat Barca in the spanish cup and have a decent record head to head.

Barca are so far ahead of everyone else currently with the team they have, its almost impossible for most sides to compete - but to me Real are a lot closer than they were and rather than a team full of ageing stars they once had, they have a young side who once the top Barca players wane, will probably do very well. Football works in cycles and currently the Barca team are probably one of the best clubs sides ever seen - it wont be like that forever.

I question whether if another manager had been appointed Barca would have been even more dominant than they have been over the last couple of years. The question is, what could he have done to get Madrid "closer" - I'm sure he'd like to find himself a Xavi and an Iniesta or a team who've played together for years in the same youth system but that's just not realistic.
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Lets not make out that this is a young, harmonious Real team full of promise. They're mostly established stars, full of in-fighting and effectively out of the title race race in December (despite spending a helluva lot of money in the process).

I suspect Madrid will go tits up once Mourinho leaves as well.
 
Zen86 said:
Lets not make out that this is a young, harmonious Real team full of promise. They're mostly established stars, full of in-fighting and effectively out of the title race race in December (despite spending a helluva lot of money in the process).

I suspect Madrid will go tits up once Mourinho leaves as well.
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I'm not saying they are. I'm saying that building a squad capable of beating Barca to the title last season, as well as winning a Spanish Cup against them was a real achievement because they were so far ahead as for it to be embarrasing. I don't think manay managers would have either a) wanted or b) been capable of taking on the challenge.

Clearly something has gone awry this season - a few ego's there I think, the likes of Ramos seem difficult to handle.
 
kietotheworld said:
Klopp doesn't speak a word of English it doesn't stop him from being linked with top jobs in England.
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It's an insane argument this one. Let me get this right, Moyes not being linked with a German job that as yet doesn't exist indicates how good he is as a manager.

You're getting desperate now.
 
MrMojo said:
It's an insane argument this one. Let me get this right, Moyes not being linked with a German job that as yet doesn't exist indicates how good he is as a manager.

You're getting desperate now.
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So that's a non existent job in Germany and the fact he didn't take the Liverpool job. :lol:
 
Moyes would be the Ashley Young of managerial appointments. No experience in Europe or winning trophies and has never shown any indication that he could handle top level pressure, but is proven in his comfort zone at a mid-table club. Whether they can make the step up to a great club remains to be seen for both.

I'd personally prefer a Cristiano Ronaldo of a manager rather than an Ashley Young, though.
 
Moyes is good manager but there is no way he will succeed Sir Alex. Not even close. I don't understand why some of you even think that he's an option. Managing Everton is one thing but it can't be compared to be in charge of United. The owners and David Gill will have two or three top candidates, I would be hugely surprised if even one of them come from GB.
 
MrMojo said:
It's an insane argument this one. Let me get this right, Moyes not being linked with a German job that as yet doesn't exist indicates how good he is as a manager.

You're getting desperate now.
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Hold on a moment. You made the excuse, pre-emptively, that he doesn't speak a word of German for him not being linked with the Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund jobs. I'm explaining why it's a stupid excuse.
 
7even said:
Moyes is good manager but there is no way he will succeed Sir Alex. Not even close. I don't understand why some of you even think that he's an option. Managing Everton is one thing but it can't be compared to be in charge of United. The owners and David Gill will have two or three top candidates, I would be hugely surprised if even one of them come from GB.
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Funny reading things like this when I know for a fact that Fergie reckons he could succeed him.
 
kietotheworld said:
Hold on a moment. You made the excuse, pre-emptively, that he doesn't speak a word of German for him not being linked with the Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund jobs. I'm explaining why it's a stupid excuse.
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Here's a bunch of other 'excuses'.

The job doesn't exist yet.

Being 'linked' doesn't mean anything, it's a journalist in a room typing up another gossip story. It has no meaning in the real world.

German clubs never look to the EPL for managers.

British managers very very rarely manage abroad.

So there you go, regardless of ability him being linked to a German club is about as likely as him managing Liverpool or you churning out a sensible opinion.
 
kietotheworld said:
Klopp doesn't speak a word of English, it doesn't stop him from being linked with top jobs in England.
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From a poster called Zoo in the Newbs.

Zoo said:
Just reading the Moyes thread in the mains. A poster (Kie) claims that Klopp doesn't speak a work of English, which is not true at all. He is actually pretty fluent.


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So erm, yeah. Not sure what this proves other than you should maybe fact check a little more before you point something out that is patently horseshit.*





*I post shit all the time, but I don't try to come across as such a know it all!
 
Well if Mourinho had his United interview and impressed on Tuesday, then Moyes certainly failed his today.

I can't believe he would even register on any potential shortlist to take over from Sir Alex at this club. The only link seems to be that he's a fiery Scot. It's not just that he's never won a trophy, as I've seen worse managers than him get some silverware on their CV, nor do I have particular doubts about his man management and control of his players, which appears pretty good. It's his lack of European experience that will prevent him from ever getting a top job. I know I certainly wouldn't want our next boss to be someone who is a complete CL rookie, and Gill has actually said in the past that the next man needs to have extensive CL experience.
 
Don't think he'll be on the shortlist. Unproven at the highest level. AVB has more chance than him.
 
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