Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

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ciderman9000000 said:
'You take myself and Arsene Wenger and the length of time we have been at our clubs, but we have had success to help us on our way. David has had to contend with not having a strong financial structure. He has to get the best out of the players he has had available and has done an amazing job. He has a grittiness and determination that has allowed him to be in there all the time. No matter how many players he has had injured he produces a team that has represented the club very well. He is a first-class manager.'​

From the man himself.
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:rolleyes::rolleyes:

These days, you can't afford barren years managing teams like United (cough... not ...sure..about..cough...arse) , sadly... you'll have to already have it to have a buffer managing United in the historical moment of post SAF transition.

PS : I'd love to know what SAF says about Mourinho
 
"Jose is very intelligent, he has charisma, his players play for him, and he is a good looking guy.

"I think I have most of those things, too, apart from his good looks.

SAF's recent comment on Jose
 
fishfingers15 said:
I thought Cider was a big Mourinho supporter. What happened?
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I like Jose Mourinho and think he'd do not good job at United, but I believe David Moyes has much more to offer than Jose and is far better suited to the club. Moyes at Everton is the gaffer from top to bottom, every facet of the club is under his control, his sature at Goodison is similar to that of SAF's at United, whereas Mourinho is a continental style first team coach, he doesn't have the experience necessary to fill the void that Fergie will leave behind him long term.
 
Mourinho won't be our next manager due to the fact he's a massive dickhead, successful or not.

Deal with it.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
I like Jose Mourinho and think he'd do not good job at United, but I believe David Moyes has much more to offer than Jose and is far better suited to the club. Moyes at Everton is the gaffer from top to bottom, every facet of the club is under his control, his sature at Goodison is similar to that of SAF's at United, whereas Mourinho is a continental style first team coach, he doesn't have the experience necessary to fill the void that Fergie will leave behind him long term.
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Moyes got it not out of charisma and skill alone though, he have earned it at Everton

Come to United, he will have to start from scratch, at a handicapped rate than compared to pep and mourinho

I believe Mourinho and Pep can do all that Moyes can do, Pep is Barca's youth manager (CMIIW) before he steps up, it's just a matter of whether they see this as priority

You can only command the respect and cooperation from everyone when you've been there long enough.

that'll be the problem though, playing in a successful United teams all this year, I bet our players are excited working with Moyes, as good as everton is, I doubt Rooney and co would rate their manager up there when compared to Mou or Pep who have achieved extraordinary feats.

The same goes with the fans, Mourinho or pep will always have bought more time than moyes will ever have by default due to their previous achievement
 
Sky1981 said:
just like Cantona's a massive dickhead for everyone else, and keane's fecking boot Haaland to the ground

But hey, they're our dickhead
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I wouldn't want cantona or keane to manage us. Even though i loved them as players
 
ciderman9000000 said:
'You take myself and Arsene Wenger and the length of time we have been at our clubs, but we have had success to help us on our way. David has had to contend with not having a strong financial structure. He has to get the best out of the players he has had available and has done an amazing job. He has a grittiness and determination that has allowed him to be in there all the time. No matter how many players he has had injured he produces a team that has represented the club very well. He is a first-class manager.'​

From the man himself.
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Fair enough, that's pretty complimentary, but one has to take into consideration that Ferguson was speaking about Moyes coming up to his tenth anniversary - he would hardly slag him off - he's always pretty complimentary about his fellow managers and the fact that he has no real record of judging other managers' abilities successfully. He's an excellent manager, but that doesn't equate to being an excellent judge of managers, in the same way top players often come out with retarded comments about other players.

ciderman9000000 said:
Yet he favours Moyes above all others to be his successor.
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Is there any basis for this comment?
 
I don't share this obsession with Pep Guardiola. For me his walking out on Barcelona is the massive black mark on his managerial record; when you're at a peak with a team you have to fight to stay there imo, just like Sir Alex has done for the best part of the last twenty-six years. I don't see that fight in Mourinho either, but considerably less so in Pep. It's certainly something Moyes has though, he know how to hold down a job and go at it season after season; rebuilding, battling out of slumps and not bowing out upon the peak of victory. That's the kind of manager I want at United.
 
Fortunately we don't have the kind of twatty, big-time charlies that Chelsea, Inter and Real have, so we don't really need a Jose-type character.
 
Sky1981 said:
We are missing one crucial point though, saf got charisma, guts, and feck u attitude

Something i see much in jose, that command respect.
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The feck you attitude too often being directed at the wrong targets.

He's certainly got charisma, nobody can deny that.
 
SteveJ said:
Fortunately we don't have the kind of twatty, big-time charlies that Chelsea, Inter and Real have, so we don't really need a Jose-type character.
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We have plenty of big, hard to handle personalities though. No one can say that every single manager would find it simple to deal with the likes of Rooney and Nani for example. We need a massive characters for this job, and we would whether we had major personalities or not because of the sheer stature of the role.
 
Cheesy said:
We have plenty of big, hard to handle personalities though. No one can say that every single manager would find it simple to deal with the likes of Rooney and Nani for example. We need a massive characters for this job, and we would whether we had major personalities or not because of the sheer stature of the role.
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I'm sure Moyes would get along just fine with Wayne Rooney.
 
I'm honestly stunned that Moyes even has a thread on this forum about his potential to be (a successful) United manager. He's at best in the same category as Redknapp, Allardyce, Di Matteo and a downgrade on the likes of Bielsa, Heynckes, Del Bosque etc.

The likes of Mourinho, Klopp are the calibre of manager we should be looking at; proven successful managers at the highest level.
 
finneh said:
I'm honestly stunned that Moyes even has a thread on this forum about his potential to be (a successful) United manager. He's at best in the same category as Redknapp, Allardyce, Di Matteo and a downgrade on the likes of Bielsa, Heynckes, Del Bosque etc.

The likes of Mourinho, Klopp are the calibre of manager we should be looking at; proven successful managers at the highest level.
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Then you haven't fully appreciated his achievements.
 
kietotheworld said:
What has Moyes done that Allardyce hasn't?
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The question should be, what has Alderdyce done that Moyes hasn't.

Switched clubs 8 times in 20 years
- His best spell was with Bolton and never finished above 6th and only finished in the top half twice.
- Lasted 6 months at a half decent club, Newcastle having signed some absolute shite in the summer. The only decent player he brought in was Jose Enrique.
- Lasted a season and a half at Blackburn leading them to 15th and 10th before getting sacked.
- Now he's at West Ham, playing shite football. Fair enough he go tthem promoted but he's now in 11th and I bet if they finish 11th this year they'll be worse next and he'll be sacked again.

If you think that's a comparable record to Moyes then I think your nuts.
 
He vastly overachieved with Bolton and Blackburn, didn't get much time at Newcastle, and has done everything asked of him at West Ham United. The first 3 teams got relegated after he left them and Bolton and Blackburn are in the Championship now, Bolton back where they were when they started. His teams play shite football, like Moyes's team, but that's the only genuine criticism of him, his record of overachievement is second to none.
 
kietotheworld said:
He vastly overachieved with Bolton and Blackburn, didn't get much time at Newcastle, and has done everything asked of him at West Ham United. The first 3 teams got relegated after he left them and Bolton and Blackburn are in the Championship now, Bolton back where they were when they started. His teams play shite football, like Moyes's team, but that's the only genuine criticism of him, his record of overachievement is second to none.
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That's completely blinkered TBH.

I've just listed a summary of his career and you reckon that's overachiement. Three teams got relegated after he left, bit of a pattern there alright! Didn't get much time at Newcastle because he wwas doing terribly, bought crap players and was playing shite football.

Moyes Everton do not play that bad a style.
 
our new manager when it eventually happens will also have the problem of attracting new players, these days players want to play for certain managers even more so (imo) than they want to play for certain clubs, this is also an area where Moyes would be lacking, not signing players, but signing top players!! Mourinho and Guardiola have global reputations and lots of top players would more likely want to play for these managers regardless of where the club was than they would if Moyes came knocking.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
That's completely blinkered TBH.

I've just listed a summary of his career and you reckon that's overachiement. Three teams got relegated after he left, bit of a pattern there alright! Didn't get much time at Newcastle because he wwas doing terribly, bought crap players and was playing shite football.

Moyes Everton do not play that bad a style.
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It's definitely overachievement to get Bolton and Blackburn in the top half of the Premier League.

ciderman9000000 said:
Kept a job?
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He was at Bolton for 8 years.
 
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