He insists on having a small squad?
Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?
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I didn't really get that either. A settled XI maybe.
I agree.
He's managed in all the top leagues - will proabably look to manage Portugal when he's older, but he loves the PL - as he's repeatedly stated.
I think he'd relish the challenge of suceeding Fergie, and I think he's one of very few managers with the strength of personality not to be fazed by the pressure of expectation.
Pep is of course a good shout, and has a good record - but for me he's yet to prove he can do it without arguably the greatest player pool of talent that's been seen for decades. I also worry about the fact that he walked as soon as the pressure cranked up a notch.
Time will tell I suppose.
Really? When even SAF gets regular abuse after a run of a couple of poor games?
It's a big one alright. Replacing Steve Jobs perhaps is up there, but obviously a completely different kettle of fish
It's a big one alright. Replacing Steve Jobs perhaps is up there, but obviously a completely different kettle of fish
Seeing as how they are apparently the two greatest men in the history of everything surely which ever of Jose and Pep doesnt get the United job will take over from Mr Jobs?
Its all relative isnt it. Some people will complain no matter what. Some people will get behind the team and/or manager no matter what. Most people are somewhere between these two points on the scale, and I suspect Mourinho, for example, would have more political capital than someone like Moyes. Do you disagree? You think no matter who we get, people will be calling for sackings after 3 defeats?
come on, it's just a nonsensical spur of the moment kinda thing (although a moment here probably last 1 week or 2)
I don't think anybode ever think SAF is shit, not from our fans at least if you count out 1-2 idiots. Even RAWK knows he's that good.
The thing is if Moyes lost three in a row at United we'd assume he isn't good enough for the club, whereas Mourinho would be having a bad run and we'd assume he could turn it around. Experience, success and respect in the footballing world go along way.
Yep, that is exactly the point I was trying to make.
1. Can moyes handles big names though?
Evra and Rooney specially are well known to throw their tantrums around when things not going their way (Evra with his boycott at the WC and Rooney with his contract)
So far we have a very stable ship (it's a fecking floating bastion) with SAF. But I don't think it's gonna be easy to command respect of the likes of Evra, Rooney, Rio, Giggs, Scholes who have more medals than the whole everton history put together.
2. Can Moyes handle the pressure?
There's no many people dare to feck around with SAF, he takes no shit from no one and they know not to mess with him.
But I doubt the media will leave us alone post SAF, specially with the downfall of Fergie's Empire being a very interesting read for more than half of Britain, they're gonna scrutinise every single aspect of the team like vultures out for revenge.
3. How long can we afford Moyes?
If he can't win anything in 3 years, should we give him another 5? Just because it took SAF 5 years doesn't mean every manager will get it right if given 5 years.
Evra and Rooney specially are well known to throw their tantrums around when things not going their way (Evra with his boycott at the WC and Rooney with his contract)
So far we have a very stable ship (it's a fecking floating bastion) with SAF. But I don't think it's gonna be easy to command respect of the likes of Evra, Rooney, Rio, Giggs, Scholes who have more medals than the whole everton history put together.
2. Can Moyes handle the pressure?
There's no many people dare to feck around with SAF, he takes no shit from no one and they know not to mess with him.
But I doubt the media will leave us alone post SAF, specially with the downfall of Fergie's Empire being a very interesting read for more than half of Britain, they're gonna scrutinise every single aspect of the team like vultures out for revenge.
3. How long can we afford Moyes?
If he can't win anything in 3 years, should we give him another 5? Just because it took SAF 5 years doesn't mean every manager will get it right if given 5 years.
Probably speak for yourself on that one. Personally I'd hope to at least have the emotional intelligence of a 10yr old and not send Moyes to the dungeons for three losses.
3 losses, 5 losses, 1 season, 2 season
The point still stands, majority still would give Mourinho more benefits of doubt compared to Moyes
Such is the nature of man
Three losses in a row and I guarantee a significant number of people on here and at OT will be calling for his head (EDIT: IF those losses came early in his tenure, before he has had a chance to prove his worth). And they will not see it as a lack of emotional intelligence. They will see it as evidence that they were right all along (I would assume a large number of these people will be the same people who never thought he was good enough in the first place. Those who felt he was the right man all along would presumably give him longer.)
To serve the opposite, to prove that they're right all along.
Or to be rational and measured?
You don't pick a manager based on how long he'd get the benefit of the doubt for. That's giving knee jerk supporters far too much power, you don't let the patients run the asylum.
No post-Fergie manager will be given 5 years without winning any big thing(s).
There's nothing knee jerk about wanting rid of a manager who you've been criticizing for eight years.
my preciousssssss
Is it the mention of David Moyes that turns you into a retard or are you always like this?
Your Gollum joke wasn't funny the first 10 times.
Sounds like you need a hobby.
And quite frankly I would hope any manager we have, be it Jose Pep Moyes or harry bloody potter would say feck right off and start acting like a grown up you spoilt cnut rather than bend over and lube up should either of them start.
I really haven't got an agenda against Mourinho or for Moyes, its just the facts as I see them. I think Mourinho has been hugely successful in creating a personal narrative which the media have of course lapped up because it gives them something to write about.
Maybe another way to ask the same question is to speculate on the counter factual. Is it impossible that the teams Mourinho has managed would have achieved the same success were he not there, if not impossible then how likely would it be. Then ask the same question of Moyes.
My answer would be that Chelsea and Real would probably have achieved the same level of success, while Porto and Inter would likely have achieved less, thus making Mourinho a very good manager fully deserving of being considered as United's next manager. I think Everton and Preston would have achieved much less success without Moyes, Everton's prospects in particular I think have been completely turned around. Thus I think that there is a chance he may be able to replicate this success on a higher level.
I like Moyes, but it would be an incredibly bold decision to replace Ferguson with a manager with so little European experience.
Or perhaps the media "lap it up" because he's a) a real personality and therefore good news and b) because he's achieved a massive amount in the game. He's made predictions - and largely backed them up.
The rest of your post is largely absolute nonsense. To the extent that I suspect your actually taking the piss.
If not, you're clearly pushing an "anti-Mourinho agenda" - and that's fine, but don't dress it up as "facts". The facts that matter when appointing a manager as far as the vast majority of people are concerned is whether he's had success and has enough experience and enough personality to do the job.
You can speculate all you want as top how these top clubs would have done without Jose in charge - although I'd say its fair to look at how the sides have done after he's moved on. Chelsea have been relatively succesful - with the side that he built and playing to pretty much his blueprint. Inter have dropped like a stone - looking very much ordinary again, while Porto haven't been knocking the door of the CL down again. Those are all relevant facts.
David Moyes may very well be a good choice - but he's much more of a risk than an established world class manager. Appointing him would largely be based on whether the club thinks he has the potential to take a massive step up in pressure and expectation - if not, the costs of making a decision like that could be disasterous - especially if Jose or similar pitch up at a rival club.
Hey guys,
Here's the quiz : Who will be the Main star player whom the foundation of the club will be shaped upon for the next 5 years!
Ronaldo vs. Welbeck
Ronaldo : Proven, winner wherever he goes, might be a tad more expensive, funny and classless antics though, might not stay for long, dreams about Madrid.
Welbeck : British lad, nice attitude, probably commands cheaper wage, will stay forever in United unless pushed out with a fork on his testicle.
And the winner is Welbeck!!!!!!!
Favorite Reasons:
1. Ronaldo is suspected to be riding his lucky charm to score all those goals, while welbeck's been scoring week in week out in the reserves.
2. Wouldn't want to have Ronaldo anywhere near our club, he's unproven, he always goes to the best club surrounded with better player, off course he'll be doing well.
3. Welbeck on the other hand, scores among the shit players at the reserves, he must have been "maradona with Napoli" brilliant.
4. Ronaldo does not play the United way, he's a drama queen
5. Ronaldo won't gonna stay more than 5 years, he's gonna feck off to the sunny spain one day
Just like Ronaldo, Mourinho goes to the best richest club because he is the best, and they've been given the offer to join the best club because they are the best! (other than SAF off course)
EDIT : That's as close as comparing Moyes to Mourinho, I know whom I'd rather have, we'd still be singing VIVA RONALDO till today. As much as we love welbeck, we'd send him off to Madrid if it means getting Ronaldo back.
Here's the quiz : Who will be the Main star player whom the foundation of the club will be shaped upon for the next 5 years!
Ronaldo vs. Welbeck
Ronaldo : Proven, winner wherever he goes, might be a tad more expensive, funny and classless antics though, might not stay for long, dreams about Madrid.
Welbeck : British lad, nice attitude, probably commands cheaper wage, will stay forever in United unless pushed out with a fork on his testicle.
And the winner is Welbeck!!!!!!!
Favorite Reasons:
1. Ronaldo is suspected to be riding his lucky charm to score all those goals, while welbeck's been scoring week in week out in the reserves.
2. Wouldn't want to have Ronaldo anywhere near our club, he's unproven, he always goes to the best club surrounded with better player, off course he'll be doing well.
3. Welbeck on the other hand, scores among the shit players at the reserves, he must have been "maradona with Napoli" brilliant.
4. Ronaldo does not play the United way, he's a drama queen
5. Ronaldo won't gonna stay more than 5 years, he's gonna feck off to the sunny spain one day
Just like Ronaldo, Mourinho goes to the best richest club because he is the best, and they've been given the offer to join the best club because they are the best! (other than SAF off course)
EDIT : That's as close as comparing Moyes to Mourinho, I know whom I'd rather have, we'd still be singing VIVA RONALDO till today. As much as we love welbeck, we'd send him off to Madrid if it means getting Ronaldo back.
It doesn't look like Moyes will be signing a contract extension, which is set to expire in the summer I think. If the United job doesn't come about, I think he'll end up at Chelsea this summer. Everton are going to be fecked without him.
There is a chance Moyes may replicate this success on a higher level.
Mourinho has won them all on the highest level and it's a FACT!
Therein lies the difference. If you're too thick to see that, I give up.
PS : I've successfully managed to coach U-12 kids into local championship for years, so there's a high chance I can replicate my success at managing United.
I don't think Chelsea would want him, and neither he would want them.
He's a long term builder, and probably he needs a new challenge. To be fair to him, Hotspur, Arsenal, and perhaps Newcastle are a better choice for him than Chelsea.
He can't command enough respect from Roman (not that it's his fault), but he's not posh enough for Roman, although he'll probably do the job (which I doubt)
One thing Jose has NOT done is been anywhere long enough to show how he reacts when things arent going well at all..........is he
A:the type to dig in and tough it out until things improve
B: whine and bitch and blame everybody but himself
C: or run away.
Personally Im going for B and/or C
A:the type to dig in and tough it out until things improve
B: whine and bitch and blame everybody but himself
C: or run away.
Personally Im going for B and/or C
We have yet to know that, but Pep is fecking C
Moyes is the man for the United job, there's no doubt about that; it's really only a matter of time. Many of you are going to come across as being right twonks when this thread is looked back upon and we all see who was slagging off the United manager prior to his appointment.
Cannt argue with that
And many are going to look right twonks when he gets sacked 6 months after he gets appointed.
You're wrong about Moyes. Ask SAF what he thinks of the man if you don't believe me. Your ignorance is an embarrassment.
You tell me what Ferguson thinks about Moyes if you're so sure, and let me know where you're getting this information.
He thinks Yous are idiots
'You take myself and Arsene Wenger and the length of time we have been at our clubs, but we have had success to help us on our way. David has had to contend with not having a strong financial structure. He has to get the best out of the players he has had available and has done an amazing job. He has a grittiness and determination that has allowed him to be in there all the time. No matter how many players he has had injured he produces a team that has represented the club very well. He is a first-class manager.'
From the man himself.
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