Moyes To Succeed Ferguson Anyone?

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Ash_G said:
I highly doubt Real Madrid were looking at fergie all those years ago and I wouldn't say we're like those clubs aside from standing. Barca gave the job to guardiola, would people here prefer giggs to moyes? Would they be less worried? Moyes holds the joint record with fergie for being awarded manager of the year by fellow managers. He may not have won much but what he's done with a limited budget at Everton has been recognised as great by other managers in England.
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They weren't looking at Ferguson, but they did alright with the manager they got, he won 3 League titles in 3 years. Indeed since 1986 Madrid have been roughly as successful as us, I think adopting the model that all the other successful clubs in the world use is more likely to bring us success than appointing Moyes and praying he becomes another Ferguson.

I'm not sure where this Ferguson/Moyes comparison comes from anyway aside from the fact they're both from Scotland. When Ferguson came to United he'd won the SPL with a non Old Firm team 3 times and won the European Cup Winners Cup defeating Real Madrid along with 4 Scottish Cups. By comparison Moyes' won the third tier with Preston North End over 10 years ago, finished 4th in the Premier League 7 years ago, never made any sort of mark in Europe and once defeated Manchester United's reserves on penalties to reach the FA Cup Final. It's pretty disrespectful to compare keeping a midtable side in upper midtable to winning loads of trophies with a team who are far smaller than two domestic rivals.

Appointing Giggs is not comparable to appointing Guardiola, the latter was involved in the coaching set up at the club for a number of years. In any case, I doubt any top manager would have failed with the incredible resources afforded to Guardiola and the good fortune he enjoyed - if they'd gone for a Capello or Mourinho does anyone really think they'd have been unable to make a team with most of the best players in the world the best in Europe? Appointing Pep was a gamble, it paid off, but an established manager would have been a safer bet.
 
kietotheworld said:
They weren't looking at Ferguson, but they did alright with the manager they got, he won 3 League titles in 3 years. Indeed since 1986 Madrid have been roughly as successful as us, I think adopting the model that all the other successful clubs in the world use is more likely to bring us success than appointing Moyes and praying he becomes another Ferguson.

I'm not sure where this Ferguson/Moyes comparison comes from anyway aside from the fact they're both from Scotland. When Ferguson came to United he'd won the SPL with a non Old Firm team 3 times and won the European Cup Winners Cup defeating Real Madrid along with 4 Scottish Cups. By comparison Moyes' won the third tier with Preston North End over 10 years ago, finished 4th in the Premier League 7 years ago, never made any sort of mark in Europe and once defeated Manchester United's reserves on penalties to reach the FA Cup Final. It's pretty disrespectful to compare keeping a midtable side in upper midtable to winning loads of trophies with a team who are far smaller than two domestic rivals.

Appointing Giggs is not comparable to appointing Guardiola, the latter was involved in the coaching set up at the club for a number of years. In any case, I doubt any top manager would have failed with the incredible resources afforded to Guardiola and the good fortune he enjoyed - if they'd gone for a Capello or Mourinho does anyone really think they'd have been unable to make a team with most of the best players in the world the best in Europe? Appointing Pep was a gamble, it paid off, but an established manager would have been a safer bet.
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Nothing is guaranteed, and it is very unlikely Capello or Mourinho would have been as successful as Pep was at Barca.

I find it funny that you would have us become another embarassment like Real and Chelsea with a revolving door of managers.
 
kietotheworld said:
He's had plenty of chances, how many times have Everton qualified for the Europa League in Moyes' tenure? How many times have their counterparts from the Spanish League enjoyed success in that competition in that period?
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It's a bullshit argument because, rightly or wrongly, English clubs in the last decade have had very little interest in the Europa league, in contrast to Spanish clubs who prioritise that over their domestic competitions.
 
"Moyes has achieved nothing in the game"

One of the stupidest posts in a long line of stupid posts in this thread.
 
Everyone is just scared of the potential drop in quality of our team once Ferguson leaves. It's going to happen guys. It's inevitable. Apart from whatever methods the new manager will implement, the transition period will be painful. Players may have to readjust, some may be moved on, others will be brought in, new tactics may be implemented, and the new manager needs time to stamp his mark on the team. In that interim period, there will be a dip in quality. Success after that isn't guaranteed either.

Point is, bringing Mourinho, Guardiola or any other bigshot here is no guarantee of success. I doubt the board is just looking for someone with a great track record. There are deep qualities they will look for. I think their selection will be unorthodox.
 
I agree with your second paragraph, but not the first. A new manager often hits the ground running, has money to spend and the players react to the new challenge. I can see us winning the title year SAF+1 regardless of who the new man is.
 
Zen86 said:
Nothing is guaranteed, and it is very unlikely Capello or Mourinho would have been as successful as Pep was at Barca.

I find it funny that you would have us become another embarassment like Real and Chelsea with a revolving door of managers.
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It's unlikely that anyone would be though, to win 2 European Cups in 4 years you're always going to be relying on fortune a bit - if Bendtner had put his chance away in Camp Nou in 2011 or VP hadn't kicked the ball away, and if Ovrebo had given a few penalties in 2009, Barcelona aren't as successful under Guardiola. If these safer bets had the same luck as what he did they'd have won much the same, maybe even more - they would have been the best team in the world regardless of who they appointed. But yeah, fair enough, they took a gamble and it paid off, they were successful, that doesn't mean it's a model to follow.

I wouldn't be embarrassed if we had a multiple successful managers, would you?

ciderman9000000 said:
It's a bullshit argument because, rightly or wrongly, English clubs in the last decade have had very little interest in the Europa league, in contrast to Spanish clubs who prioritise that over their domestic competitions.
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So what, are we supposed to pretend it doesn't exist when we're judging him as a manager? If Moyes is prioritising domestic competitions over the Europa then it doesn't reflect very well on him considering he hasn't won any of them, and if he's prioritising getting non-CL League positions (and they're very rarely look at Top 4) over winning trophies then he doesn't belong at Manchester United.
 
Kie, if he was to get the job, would you row in behind him, or jump on every loss/draw/exit from a comp as a stick to beat him with?
 
Zen86 said:
Nothing is guaranteed, and it is very unlikely Capello or Mourinho would have been as successful as Pep was at Barca.

I find it funny that you would have us become another embarassment like Real and Chelsea with a revolving door of managers.
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I don't think it's as simple as that though. Having a number of successful managers isn't embarrassing. Chelsea and Real Madrid have been embarrassments in the way they've treated some of their most successful managers such as Del Bosque, Mourinho etc.

I kind of understand where he's coming from. I would love another Fergie, but it probably won't happen for us and we have to accept that. We shouldn't accept a dip in standards for some mythical hope that the new man will be the same as a truly unique manager who will be hard to replace.

If Mourinho came but was only here for 4 years, although delivered success in that time, I'd be more than happy. There's a difference between having one manager for 3 decades and a revolving door place. There's a line in the middle which a lot of football clubs are in, and if we were in that middle line with success as well, I'd take it.
 
Great manager, would love him or Pep here.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
Kie, if he was to get the job, would you row in behind him, or jump on every loss/draw/exit from a comp as a stick to beat him with?
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It's the same as with any manager, isn't it? Give him a chance, get behind the team to begin with, give the new bloke a chance and then if it's not working start thinking about a change. He'd probably get less time before people started murmuring than someone like Mourinho would, given that he's got everything to prove and no record to fall back on.

It'd be a horrible situation if we did end up with him, we've already seen at Liverpool what happens when you appoint a man equally devoid of success and charisma to a massive job based on a "Manager of the Year" award. People talk a lot about the "stability" he'd bring to the job (presumably because no other big club would want him) but I'd be surprised if he made it to Christmas at United.
 
Whatever squad SAF leaves behind there will be changes when he goes. Giggs, Scholes will be gone. There will be question marks over the injury list that will throw the spotlight on players like Rio, Fletcher, Anderson and Vidic. Some senior staff will leave, even SAF's brother will retire.

Whoever comes in will need room to breathe and when they recruit, whether it's top youth prospects or established players, we want them to picking from the best - even if we aren't paying top wages, and we aren't in the most glamorous location. Even with the Manchester United name and SAF, a manager known for success and for star-making, we can't always manage that now.

Now, imagine the same recruitment campaign with no SAF and with a suspicion that we've recruited a manager that isn't quite top flight and with no reputation other than, "does OK considering". We might be willing to wait, but how many foreign prospects will? Just one part of a bigger picture, but part of why we'll need someone who looks like a winner from day one.
 
kietotheworld said:
If Moyes is prioritising domestic competitions over the Europa then it doesn't reflect very well on him considering he hasn't won any of them, and if he's prioritising getting non-CL League positions (and they're very rarely look at Top 4) over winning trophies then he doesn't belong at Manchester United.
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He has been managing Everton, on a shoestring. The fact he even keeps them consistently competitive is admirable.

Let's face it, how many PL managers have had the success you are expecting of him?

The squad depths at Everton's level mean they need to make a choice between Europa and the league. Look at the teams that did "well" in the Europa or took it rather seriously, where are they now? Boro, gone. Bolton, gone. Martin O'Neill used to deliberately play reserve sides, and rightly so.

Only Fulham managed to do a good campaign without screwing themselves up in the league, and going by your logic it was that sort of "display of ambition" you talk about that landed Hodgson the Liverpool job :lol:

Arsene Wenger has not picked a trophy for bloody ages, is he a crap manager? Fact is in Moyes' time few managers other than SAF, Mourinho and Ancelotti managed the sort of success you crow about. With significantly greater funds and phenomenal squads at their disposal the likes of Mancini have won the league and Di Matteo the CL. Does that make them better managers than Moyes? I reckon Moyes is better than the two of them, even when winning the CL with that Chelsea side is a more difficult task than winning it with Barca. But there was a lot of jam involved in that, not RDC genius.

I would always take Mourinho ahead of Moyes, no question, but wouldn't have a problem with him at all. Sure, we would need some learning to happen, which is not the end of the world when you are talking about replacing the most successful manager ever.

Guardiola? I really don't get the hype. He is fine but with such great players at his disposal, ample funds, every man and his dog wanting to go there... He managed the transition from the Ronaldinho era well, but I wouldn't put that beyond most reasonably good managers. The rest was a stroll and, if they ever needed to shake things up a bit all they need to do was go raid Arsenal and other feeder clubs of theirs.

Easy job, so easy he got bored with it. A manager that gets bored after winning everything for a couple of years... fecking hell, why would we ever want THAT to replace SAF?
 
jojojo said:
Whatever squad SAF leaves behind there will be changes when he goes. Giggs, Scholes will be gone. There will be question marks over the injury list that will throw the spotlight on players like Rio, Fletcher, Anderson and Vidic. Some senior staff will leave, even SAF's brother will retire.

Whoever comes in will need room to breathe and when they recruit, whether it's top youth prospects or established players, we want them to picking from the best - even if we aren't paying top wages, and we aren't in the most glamorous location. Even with the Manchester United name and SAF, a manager known for success and for star-making, we can't always manage that now.

Now, imagine the same recruitment campaign with no SAF and with a suspicion that we've recruited a manager that isn't quite top flight and with no reputation other than, "does OK considering". We might be willing to wait, but how many foreign prospects will? Just one part of a bigger picture, but part of why we'll need someone who looks like a winner from day one.
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This I agree with, which is one reason why I would favour Mourinho. The only thing I see going for Guardiola is his reputation and that he would likely bring in a fair few ***worthy Spanish talents. That said, when did he spot a talent? It wasn't really his job, but I struggle to work out what Guardiola's credentials are here.

Moyes has proven ability there, but at a lower tier and would be a bit of a no mark manager as far as attracting the top talent goes. This Summer would probably be too early for him with Giggs, Scholes and arguably Rio and Vida on the way out.
 
antohan said:
This I agree with, which is one reason why I would favour Mourinho. The only thing I see going for Guardiola is his reputation and that he would likely bring in a fair few ***worthy Spanish talents. That said, when did he spot a talent? It wasn't really his job, but I struggle to work out what Guardiola's credentials are here.

Moyes has proven ability there, but at a lower tier and would be a bit of a no mark manager as far as attracting the top talent goes. This Summer would probably be too early for him with Giggs, Scholes and arguably Rio and Vida on the way out.
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Would Moyes not be a reasonably well known figure around the world by now just due to his longevity in the PL if for no other reason.
 
antohan said:
This I agree with, which is one reason why I would favour Mourinho. The only thing I see going for Guardiola is his reputation and that he would likely bring in a fair few ***worthy Spanish talents. That said, when did he spot a talent? It wasn't really his job, but I struggle to work out what Guardiola's credentials are here.

Moyes has proven ability there, but at a lower tier and would be a bit of a no mark manager as far as attracting the top talent goes. This Summer would probably be too early for him with Giggs, Scholes and arguably Rio and Vida on the way out.
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I agree with some of your points on your previous post but I think you're doing Guardiola a disservice.

Once a year or two had passed he didn't have that hard a job, but he had a lot to do at first. Getting rid of major stars such as Ronaldinho and Deco was a big gamble. Even if they weren't showing their best, should they have failed that season he would have been ripped apart for letting two massively high profile players such as them go.

You hear Barcelona players talk about how he really instilled discipline in the side and was transforming the whole club to play his brand of football. They had arguably lost some hunger from 2006-2008 and Guardiola brought it right back.

Saying he spotted no talents in incorrect as well. Many would have discarded Busquets and regarded him as another average youth product, but Guardiola saw that such a player could fit into his system and he's now one of the world's best defensive midfielders and has been a key component of Barcelona's team.

Undoubtedly he did have some things easy, and he has a lot to prove at a club which can't be moulded into one of his systems as easily as they were, but he did a brilliant job that can't be underestimated at Barca and I think he'd make a much better appointment than Moyes for example.
 
I like Moyes, I think he's done a great job at Everton.

I think he has 2 thinks working against him for the Utd job though:

1. No European experience.
2. No real record of managing big personalities in the dressing room.

Second point might be a bit harsh but they're the reasons I don't see him getting the Utd job.

Would've been a more interesting prospect had he managed someone like Spurs or even Newcastle for a few years though.
 
Eyepopper said:
I like Moyes, I think he's done a great job at Everton.

I think he has 2 thinks working against him for the Utd job though:

1. No European experience.
2. No real record of managing big personalities in the dressing room.

Second point might be a bit harsh but they're the reasons I don't see him getting the Utd job.

Would've been a more interesting prospect had he managed someone like Spurs or even Newcastle for a few years though.
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Plus he's never really played consistently attractive football in his time at the club. Whether that's down to cutting his cloth or just a limitation on his part I don't know.
 
antohan said:
He has been managing Everton, on a shoestring. The fact he even keeps them consistently competitive is admirable.

Let's face it, how many PL managers have had the success you are expecting of him?

The squad depths at Everton's level mean they need to make a choice between Europa and the league. Look at the teams that did "well" in the Europa or took it rather seriously, where are they now? Boro, gone. Bolton, gone. Martin O'Neill used to deliberately play reserve sides, and rightly so.

Only Fulham managed to do a good campaign without screwing themselves up in the league, and going by your logic it was that sort of "display of ambition" you talk about that landed Hodgson the Liverpool job :lol:

Arsene Wenger has not picked a trophy for bloody ages, is he a crap manager? Fact is in Moyes' time few managers other than SAF, Mourinho and Ancelotti managed the sort of success you crow about. With significantly greater funds and phenomenal squads at their disposal the likes of Mancini have won the league and Di Matteo the CL. Does that make them better managers than Moyes? I reckon Moyes is better than the two of them, even when winning the CL with that Chelsea side is a more difficult task than winning it with Barca. But there was a lot of jam involved in that, not RDC genius.

I would always take Mourinho ahead of Moyes, no question, but wouldn't have a problem with him at all. Sure, we would need some learning to happen, which is not the end of the world when you are talking about replacing the most successful manager ever.

Guardiola? I really don't get the hype. He is fine but with such great players at his disposal, ample funds, every man and his dog wanting to go there... He managed the transition from the Ronaldinho era well, but I wouldn't put that beyond most reasonably good managers. The rest was a stroll and, if they ever needed to shake things up a bit all they need to do was go raid Arsenal and other feeder clubs of theirs.

Easy job, so easy he got bored with it. A manager that gets bored after winning everything for a couple of years... fecking hell, why would we ever want THAT to replace SAF?
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None of them, I don't think any current Premier League manager is suitable for the job, but there are certainly some who are more suitable than Moyes. Wenger, as you mention, consistently qualifies for the Champions League, something Moyes has never done, Allardyce has helped several clubs overachieve massively, Rafael Benitez has a full set of trophies and briefly turned Liverpool into title challengers, Martin O'Neill has some experience in the Champions League, Martinez at Wigan seems a pretty good manager, Mancini has experience at pretty high levels, AVB achieved an awful lot at Porto a couple of years ago both domestically and internationally.

For various reasons I wouldn't really want any of these guys in charge, but they're all just as qualified, if not more qualified than David Moyes is. Looking outside the Premier League, Mourinho is the obvious No. 1 candidate, but there are other managers - Ancelotti, Klopp, Capello, possibly Guardiola (although I do share your reservations) who are far more suitable for the position. I can't understand why we are so regularly linked with David Moyes but no other good clubs are despite major positions coming up several times per year.

Regarding the Europa League point, I don't know about you but I'd rather my team finished 15th and had a good chance of winning the Europa League than finished 6th or 7th, a million miles away from the top 4 and won nothing. If Moyes is deliberately sabotaging his Europa League campaigns to sustain Premier League finishes then he's choosing the latter, and that's just terrible prioritisation in my eyes.
 
The best thing about Moyes is you just have to watch his team play to see how much they take his message and direction to heart. I don't think it's an exagerration at all to say Everton are the hardest working team in the league. Clearly he's got that side of management down pat. And these aren't all English journeyman, it's a mix of internationals from all over the place.

As someone else said above, whoever we get - except possibly Mourinho - will be a step down and a risk. Even Guardiola has huge questions over him. He achieved a great deal in a short time, but he also had what is quite possibly the best squad in European football history available to him. Which he inherited.

I'd almost prefer someone we knew woudl be short term, to get over the inevitable negativity that will be associated with every mistake and every loss. An Ancelotti, Hiddink or maybe even Capello - just for a season to get us through the mourning period, then look to a longer term option (Ole?!)
 
Eyepopper said:
I like Moyes, I think he's done a great job at Everton.

I think he has 2 thinks working against him for the Utd job though:

1. No European experience.
2. No real record of managing big personalities in the dressing room.

Second point might be a bit harsh but they're the reasons I don't see him getting the Utd job.

Would've been a more interesting prospect had he managed someone like Spurs or even Newcastle for a few years though.
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What is it about European management that Moyes wouldn't be able to comprehend?
 
Brophs said:
European football is a different animal. You only have to look at Mancini's record in the CL to see that. But that's not to say he couldn't succeed, just that there's an element of risk there.
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I could understand the argument in the 90's perhaps, when European football was generally a bit of a mystery to everyone, but there's no secrets anymore. European football is just as familiar as domestic now, I reckon most on here could point out the slight tactical changes needed, never mind a guy who's been managing at the top level for years.
 
Brophs said:
Plus he's never really played consistently attractive football in his time at the club. Whether that's down to cutting his cloth or just a limitation on his part I don't know.
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I think he lacks a bit of flair and imagination (possibly sheer smarts). I'd be surprised if Man Utd went after him after all Spurs weren't interested.
 
MrMojo said:
I could understand the argument in the 90's perhaps, when European football was generally a bit of a mystery to everyone, but there's no secrets anymore. European football is just as familiar as domestic now, I reckon most on here could point out the slight tactical changes needed, never mind a guy who's been managing at the top level for years.
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Well why do you think Mancini has struggled in Europe throughout his career? It can't be that easy. As I said, that's not to say he (or other managers) couldn't get to grips with it, but there's a difference in the way the game is played without doubt, IMO.
 
Brophs said:
Well why do you think Mancini has struggled in Europe throughout his career? It can't be that easy. As I said, that's not to say he (or other managers) couldn't get to grips with it, but there's a difference in the way the game is played without doubt, IMO.
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There is a difference, but it's not some big secret that only a select few are privy to. Patience, ball retention and the importance of an away goal. That's European football. There's no mystery.

Mancini not doing well in Europe is his issue, there's no link to Moyes or any other manager. Steve McClaren, shit domestically, good in Europe. What does that mean about European football? Nothing really.
 
Cheesy said:
You hear Barcelona players talk about how he really instilled discipline in the side and was transforming the whole club to play his brand of football. They had arguably lost some hunger from 2006-2008 and Guardiola brought it right back.

Saying he spotted no talents in incorrect as well. Many would have discarded Busquets and regarded him as another average youth product, but Guardiola saw that such a player could fit into his system and he's now one of the world's best defensive midfielders and has been a key component of Barcelona's team.
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Busquets is a good shout. I can't judge him on the incoming transfer disasters as that was not his job but it is fair to say he took risks to accommodate Busquets. The discipline and hunger side is also a good point, goes hand in hand with the Deco and Ronaldinho exits and focusing on other players. But then, he had Xavi, Iniesta and Messi to fall back on!

kietotheworld said:
Looking outside the Premier League, Mourinho is the obvious No. 1 candidate, but there are other managers - Ancelotti, Klopp, Capello, possibly Guardiola (although I do share your reservations) who are far more suitable for the position. I can't understand why we are so regularly linked with David Moyes but no other good clubs are despite major positions coming up several times per year.
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As Beachryan points out, the main difference with all the others you mentioned from the PL is how much he gets out of his squad and their focus and commitment. That is a superb starting point which many other more hyped up managers haven't proven as much.

From the options you list I wouldn't expect Ancelotti or Klopp to be available, I wouldn't get anywhere near Capello, not a huge fan of Guardiola as stated... Mourinho would be fine by me, no question.

Regarding the Europa League point, I don't know about you but I'd rather my team finished 15th and had a good chance of winning the Europa League than finished 6th or 7th, a million miles away from the top 4 and won nothing. If Moyes is deliberately sabotaging his Europa League campaigns to sustain Premier League finishes then he's choosing the latter, and that's just terrible prioritisation in my eyes.
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I would prioritise the league finish. Surely the main objective for him must be getting Everton to fight for a CL place and even if halfway through the season that looks distant, I disagree with then deciding 15th and having a go at the Europa League is better than 7th. You lay down a marker with your league finish. If you finish 15th, how the hell can you keep aspiring to top 4? Just look at Liverpool, once they looked screwed in 2009-10 they focused on the Europa, most weren't too fussed about losing to Chelsea if it meant them getting the title...

Ever since then their marker has been midtable and their fans' aspiration is no longer what they can do in the title race but forever hoping Chelsea or City beat us to the title. It's fecked up.

Beachryan said:
I'd almost prefer someone we knew woudl be short term, to get over the inevitable negativity that will be associated with every mistake and every loss. An Ancelotti, Hiddink or maybe even Capello - just for a season to get us through the mourning period, then look to a longer term option (Ole?!)
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Worst scenario IMO, each manager has to have the chance to shape their team, which means buying/selling and unsettling the squad. The last thing I would want is chopping and changing early on as it would do away with all that SAF can leave us behind. Mourinho's core base at Chelsea has been a problem at times, but the fact it wasn't touched is what delivered the CL to them last year. A god thing about Moyes is he wouldn't screw that up, while I reckon Mourinho would treasure the disciplined core and winning mentality SAF leaves behind.

Other managers I'm more wary of. Ole as an assistant and eventual replacement to Mourinho would be my dream ticket.
 
He's done a decent job at Everton but id be disappointed if we appointed him over the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho or Klopp.
 
Castia said:
He's done a decent job at Everton but id be disappointed if we appointed him over the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho or Klopp.
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Spot on.

All talk of Moyes is pure silliness. Give the man credit for what he's done at Everton, but let's not be foolish.
 
Think what's underestimated with regards to Moyes is his ability to identify talent at the right price and also players with the right attitude, which is a ability Sir Alex has always had too.

Plus he knows how to run this league over a season, better than most.

Mourinho would be the safest option but Moyes won't be far off him for me along with Klopp and maybe Guardiola.
 
Btw, don't get why people put Guardiola on a similar pedestal to Mourinho tbh.

He's had 3 years in management and 1 crackdown already, plus his record in the transfer market was poor while he was there.

Yeah, his record at Barca is pretty impressive in terms of what he won, but that side and some of the players it already had are once in a generation. Not exactly the toughest job in the world, was it ?

Plus he has 0 experience in Premier league which could be risky due to several factors because unlike this Barca team we still need to rejuvenate to some degree every 2/3 years.
 
The bottom line is that with someone like Moyes, you'll always wonder if he can make the step up. While no two jobs are the same and there's always the question of being right for the club and job, we know Mourinho belongs to that level,
 
Can't have Moyes at all. When we appointed SAF, he had won the Scottish Prem and beaten Real to win a Euro competition. So it's not like we settled for a manager from some backwater.
Why should we consider Moyes, let's be serious he's won nothing and his style of football is ugly. For all his defensive instincts, Mourhino's teams never lack for attacking options or boldness.
PS That's not me stating a preference for Jose, simply saying that Moyes would not be a good choice.
 
Amir said:
The bottom line is that with someone like Moyes, you'll always wonder if he can make the step up. While no two jobs are the same and there's always the question of being right for the club and job, we know Mourinho belongs to that level,
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Yeah, but that'd be a risk with everyone except someone like Mourinho who has proven himself everywhere tbh.

Whether it be Moyes, Klopp or Guardiola. Think it'll really be Sir Alex's call in the end and depend on when he retires.
 
Cevno said:
Btw, don't get why people put Guardiola on a similar pedestal to Mourinho tbh.
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Agreed. He's shown he can do a job with the players Barcelona have. That's no mean feat at all, of course, but we've no idea what he'll do with a team that doesn't have that quality of players. Can he adapt his football, or is he going to insist they'll play that style even if it's not right for the team. Plus, four years at his home club before leaving is not a sign of the longevity people claim Mourinho is lacking.
 
Cevno said:
Yeah, but that'd be a risk with everyone except someone like Mourinho who has proven himself everywhere tbh.
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Which is why it's a no brainer at what we do after Sir Alex. It wouldn't be the time for anyone but Mourinho. We'll need someone with balls. He won't be at the job for 26 years, although I don't think he'll be out in 2-3 like many do. At worst, he'll bridge a gap between the great Ferguson to some other manager who won't have to come in and fill the biggest shoes ever.
 
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