Moyes: "There's no budget" | Moyes told that he can spend as much as he likes

Baines will be a good addition. He's not a world beater, nowhere near evra and cole at their best. But he's quite good.

I think reactions to the prospect of him joining would be much more positive had we already gotten a midfielder.
 
akash02 said:
It will be tougher but 'Anyone thinks that we'll win the league with the squad we have now are fooling themselves' is a bit extreme seeing as we won it quite easily in the end. And signing Baines will not be the difference, it's like people have already forgotten Evra's performances
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Yeah, I personally don't want us to sign Baines because although it would be a slight improvement, it would not be worth it losing our Captain Evra and then further hindering the progress of Fabio who would only get less chances.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Baines will be a good addition. He's not a world beater, nowhere near evra and cole at their best. But he's quite good.

I think reactions to the prospect of him joining would be much more positive had we already gotten a midfielder.
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The problem for Moyes is he is following Sir Alex. Reactions to any signing would have been positive had Sir Alex had been the person signing.
 
People are forgetting Baines had been a target for United since he was at Wigan.
 
akash02 said:
Fellaini played very high up this season and is a very good header of the ball, yes he didn't score many from Baines crosses. No one's denying Baines a is a good player but he will not improve us substantially if at all. If Baines has better crossing, then Evra is a better dribbler and we'll lose that part of Evra's game.

And the 'number of chances created' is a pointless stat
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Baines is the better dribbler!

Also, how is the 'number of chances created' a pointless stat? Thats bizarre!

Evra created 26 chances: http://www.squawka.com/players/patrice-evra

Baines created 116 chances: http://www.squawka.com/players/leighton-baines
 
I've made it very clear why I think 'chances created' is a pointless stat. It's on the previous page
 
Baines is what 28?? If he was 2-3 years younger he would be a great signing but for me he is a short term fix for what is not a top priority for us. He would be an improvement on Evra defensively AND going forward. I don't blame Moyes wanting to get him there is NO guarantee he will be here in 3 years so he needs to sign players who will come in and contribute immediately. That is what Baines would be and hopefully this gives Fabio time to grow into the role. I have no problems with the signing.
 
Comsmit said:
I thought the whole interview was listed in the Telegraph. I'm not accusing them of talking too much, just regurgitating the same pap time and again. Its not transfer rumours, its the constant need to somehow reassure, when that comes with the conclusion of business.

There are shitloads of press releases or interviews since 2009 dealing with the same rhetoric displayed in the most recent comments. I would look a few up but you don't need any help there's fecking stacks to sift through. Besides I can't be arsed arguing with you....its a sunny day outside and I've got rivers to jump into.
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:lol: Class - dont drown though :lol:
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Those two are right-sided, plus we have Rafa. We've less impact on the left though & as i've said more times than enough in this thread - Baines first & foremost is a better player than Evra, both going forward & defending.

In the modern game, havin great full-backs will take a team onto the next level. We're sorted with Rafa on the right, now we need to sort the left out when there's a possibility of gettin a top-class acquisition like Baines in. Thats my opinion & its obvious to me thats a problem area - goals are scored from full-back feck ups all the time & i've seen enough of Evra's feck-ups these past three seasons - last season he wasnt as bad because he had competition from Buttner!

If we're gonna compete with the likes of Bayern, then we'll need to improve not just in mid-field. Bayern are moving very quickly ahead of us & what we have is just not good enough to compete with them. Only a fool would think different!
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Spot on. Bayern are on another level right now, and have two unbelievably good attacking full-backs. The standard is going up and up in Europe and everyone is trying to keep pace. United have done nothing of note for 2 seasons now in that competition. The league is all good but its in Europe where great teams are crowned and reputations are made. We are not even running to catch up at the moment. Bayern will only get stronger next year. I'm just not sure Moyes is the forward thinking coach to bridge the gap. Hopefully wrong on that count but another couple of seasons of under-achievement in Europe could be hugely costly for our reputation.
 
akash02 said:
And Baines crosses from open play fetched how many goals for Everton last season?

The most pointless stats going I reckon. Any pass that leads to a shot at goal is a chance created. All that tells me in Baines gets forward a lot which I already know
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Whats that got to do with him if the recipients cant finish the feckin move? :wenger:

He rarely loses the ball when goin forward & tracks the feck back if he does. Thats why he has 116 created chances & Evra has 24 - does that not tell you how great he is in possession & how fantastic an addition he would be for us?
 
Red Hand Devil said:
:lol: Class - dont drown though :lol:
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Its ok it was quite shallow and I took my armbands!

Nearly took a drakes head off in my excitement. The bastard didn't back down either...had a peck or two at me. He wanted bread but I explained I don't carry it around with me like the old people who normally pander to them.

Selfish. Its not your fecking river just remember that.
 
Can't believe people are questioning Baines' class. The guy would be a terrific signing and a step in the right direction. I'm sure Davey is working on it.

Get owd Leighton in and the left side becomes a land of opportunity again for United.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Whats that got to do with him if the recipients cant finish the feckin move? :wenger:

He rarely loses the ball when goin forward & tracks the feck back if he does. Thats why he has 116 created chances & Evra has 24 - does that not tell you how great he is in possession & how fantastic an addition he would be for us?
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Do you randomly pick up posts from anywhere and quote them without context? Chances created is a shite stat and I have given my reasons for why I think that. If you don't agree, fair enough but no need to bring it up in every fecking post

As far as the other stats go, Evra's defensive stats are as good as Baines. Baines has better attacking stats, although where it matters (goals and assists) most they are level and that's with Baines taking every single Everton set piece. And keep in mind, Baines is a huge part of Everton's attacking play which in part contributes to why he has such good attacking stats where as Evra is just another part of the United's attacking threat
 
Devil may care said:
Quality players are usually expensive but talk is cheap, saying we'd be willing to spend £75M on a player doesn't put me in Ronaldo Muppet mode, but combined with Moyes acknowledging we need to strengthen in midfield gives me a sliver of hope that we might splurge £30-40M on a real top end CM like Gundogan or Vidal....maybe.
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Totally man!

What does my head is that Real have apparantly bid €37m the other day for Vidal - why couldnt we do something similiar?! Its like we're never testing the water - well, not that we know of anyway. I hope we're pushin the boat out behind the scenes, not knowing anything is a tad frustrating but thats just the muppet in me. Then again, the feckin Sneijder saga was a head-feck in the end & then the prick went to Galatasaray for about £8m!

I like United's quiet approach, its very respectful to the club concerned of course, but i think alot of that approach is about not gettin turned down in public either, by club or player. I reckon the Ronaldinho fiasco has changed our approach to transfer dealings, i suppose it's Gill's brainchild since he took over from that twat Kenyon about 3 months after that shite.
 
Some pure comedy gold in this thread. If anyone is expecting a significant/ meaningful purchase during this summer is kidding himself.

We are well stocked in every area apart from midfield.

when it comes to singing a midfielder any club, player and agent will demand much more than fair market value and we will not bend for that. I think Moyes knows that and this interview is meant to buy fans.

apart from that- are there any world class midfielders who are available? No.

are there any decent midfielders who are available? Yes? will we pay extra for them? no.

Lets take Cabaye for instance. do you really think that Newcastle will not repeat the Andy Carroll scenario if we bid for Cabaye? they will drag negotiations until the end of transfer window and will demand up 35-40 mil for him. not that he is worth it.
 
akash02 said:
Do you randomly pick up posts from anywhere and quote them without context? Chances created is a shite stat and I have given my reasons for why I think that. If you don't agree, fair enough but no need to bring it up in every fecking post

As far as the other stats go, Evra's defensive stats are as good as Baines. Baines has better attacking stats, although where it matters (goals and assists) most they are level and that's with Baines taking every single Everton set piece. And keep in mind, Baines is a huge part of Everton's attacking play which in part contributes to why he has such good attacking stats where as Evra is just another part of the United's attacking threat
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Chances created is a shite stat? Okaaaaay.

Baines takes Everton's set pieces and he does a fecking marvellous job of it too. Why do people try to twist stats to suit their agenda? The bit about explaining the attacking stats is daft sorry. Baines is just very very good at what he does, and very consistent.

Evs had it, but not anymore.
 
Such a marvelous job that Evra has as many assists and 1 less goal from open play as Baines who takes every set pieces for Everton. ffs Ashley Young probably had better stats from set pieces for Villa than Baines for Everton but he's considered shit on these forums
 
Comsmit said:
Its ok it was quite shallow and I took my armbands!

Nearly took a drakes head off in my excitement. The bastard didn't back down either...had a peck or two at me. He wanted bread but I explained I don't carry it around with me like the old people who normally pander to them.

Selfish. Its not your fecking river just remember that.
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Feckin drakes can be quite territorial protecting their bitches etc. A fecker once pulled a knife on me down at a lake, luckily i swiftly pulled out my numchucks & give him a clout around the bake. Prick soon backed down & gave me bread..

Birds eh...?!
 
akash02 said:
Such a marvelous job that Evra has as many assists and 1 less goal from open play as Baines who takes every set pieces for Everton. ffs Ashley Young probably had better stats from set pieces for Villa than Baines for Everton but he's considered shit on these forums
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Tbf Evra had a bit off a one season wonder with his goals and assist wise he's playing it in to more clinical strikers than Baines was.
 
Ash_G said:
Tbf Evra had a bit off a one season wonder with his goals and assist wise he's playing it in to more clinical strikers than Baines was.
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I accept this point tbh and no doubt RVP is more likely to score than Anichebe. But suggestions of he'll double his assists tally are stupid, we will not concentrate our entire attacking threat through Baines if we do sign him. Ashley Young is a perfect example of someone who had a shed load of assists but hasn't really increased on that output since joining us
 
It's not all about assists though. Evra is great with the ball at his feet. At his best he was an amazing outlet to carry the ball forward. I don't know who said it but no way is Baines nearly as good at dribbling. He seems more a traditional whip in a cross type fullback when it comes to attacking.
 
akash02 said:
I accept this point tbh and no doubt RVP is more likely to score than Anichebe. But suggestions of he'll double his assists tally are stupid, we will not concentrate our entire attacking threat through Baines if we do sign him. Ashley Young is a perfect example of someone who had a shed load of assists but hasn't really increased on that output since joining us
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True but I think Young was always personally a step below being a big club first teamer, although tbf Young's problem seems to be one of willingness than ability, he can take on players/cut in etc but it seems certainly this season he's become a very safe player for some reason.

Personally I think Baines at 12m would be a decent buy, if Evra wanted to go. Even if he doesn't hugely improve his tally, the way he plays, particularly the way he played with Pienaar and balanced with him nicely would be great for us with Kagawa. It would allow Kagawa to play far more tucked in and Baines to continue to do what he does, push on down the flank and provide great width, with the known ability to put in a good ball, even if the conversion of those chances haven't been great.

12m is the max I would go though, he's too old, particulalry as he's not had much international/european experience to warrant more then that, without simply being an english player who's done well in the league. I'm sure there are younger/other full backs we could get for less than that. But in terms of getting a proven fullback who is happy to overlap and does it well, he would be a good shout for us at the right price. But as others have said we know he's not a priority unless Evra wants out.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
It's not all about assists though. Evra is great with the ball at his feet. At his best he was an amazing outlet to carry the ball forward. I don't know who said it but no way is Baines nearly as good at dribbling. He seems more a traditional whip in a cross type fullback when it comes to attacking.
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Yeah that is true, Evra is probably after Nani the best dribbler he has, always able to shake off a couple of players and advance with the ball. From what I've seen though I think Baines is a better crosser of the ball.
 
akash02 said:
Do you randomly pick up posts from anywhere and quote them without context? Chances created is a shite stat and I have given my reasons for why I think that. If you don't agree, fair enough but no need to bring it up in every fecking post

As far as the other stats go, Evra's defensive stats are as good as Baines. Baines has better attacking stats, although where it matters (goals and assists) most they are level and that's with Baines taking every single Everton set piece. And keep in mind, Baines is a huge part of Everton's attacking play which in part contributes to why he has such good attacking stats where as Evra is just another part of the United's attacking threat
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Context? I've given plenty of context. You're big at dishin your opinion out, but not so much when disagreed with!

feck stats - Baines is an outstanding footballer first & foremost as i've kept saying!!

If you've watched Everton games you'd have seen how consistent Baines is for them. The fact, as you say, that Everton only have two strikers - Jelly-fish & Anichebe, means that Baines has to join in the attack because he has to. He doesnt have to, he can do his bit & make sure he's in position in case of a counter-attack. He doesnt though, he takes the risk & reads the game well so he gets back into position very quickly if their attack breaks down - something Evra wouldnt have a clue about!

Many teams target our left-side when attacking us now. They even recognise Evra's a lesser defender than Rafa..
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Context? I've given plenty of context. You're big at dishin your opinion out, but not so much when disagreed with!

feck stats - Baines is an outstanding footballer first & foremost as i've kept saying!!

If you've watched Everton games you'd have seen how consistent Baines is for them. The fact, as you say, that Everton only have two strikers - Jelly-fish & Anichebe, means that Baines has to join in the attack because he has to. He doesnt have to, he can do his bit & make sure he's in position in case of a counter-attack. He doesnt though, he takes the risk & reads the game well so he gets back into position very quickly if their attack breaks down - something Evra wouldnt have a clue about!

Many teams target our left-side when attacking us now. They even recognise Evra's a lesser defender than Rafa..
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:lol:

Use stats when it suits you and feck them when it doesn't.
 
Ash_G said:
True but I think Young was always personally a step below being a big club first teamer, although tbf Young's problem seems to be one of willingness than ability, he can take on players/cut in etc but it seems certainly this season he's become a very safe player for some reason.

Personally I think Baines at 12m would be a decent buy, if Evra wanted to go. Even if he doesn't hugely improve his tally, the way he plays, particularly the way he played with Pienaar and balanced with him nicely would be great for us with Kagawa. It would allow Kagawa to play far more tucked in and Baines to continue to do what he does, push on down the flank and provide great width, with the known ability to put in a good ball, even if the conversion of those chances haven't been great.

12m is the max I would go though, he's too old, particulalry as he's not had much international/european experience to warrant more then that, without simply being an english player who's done well in the league. I'm sure there are younger/other full backs we could get for less than that. But in terms of getting a proven fullback who is happy to overlap and does it well, he would be a good shout for us at the right price. But as others have said we know he's not a priority unless Evra wants out.
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I agree. If Evra goes Baines would be an excellent buy even for as high as 15m as he's a good player (and I never said he isn't despite RHD feeling the need to remind me ever so often what a wonderful player Baines is). Ideally, we would keep Evra and gradually introduce Fabio
 
If Evra goes, Baines would be grand. If Evra stays (which I am almost certain he will), Baines would be unnecessary. Evra has more than enough good years in him to ease Fabio in. And Buttner is there to give us good depth in numbers.
 
walsh said:
And if we'd signed him 2 years ago I think we'd all have been pretty pleased. I think it's just happening too late to justify the fee that it would require.
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No offence man & i dont mean to be patronising either, but if United agree a fee for Baines, that fee is for them to justify selling one of their best players - their most consistent anyway, and to purchase a replacement too. English players are at a premium as you know, and most footie fans i know rate Baines in todays market (regardless of him being 28) at £15m+.

Its ironic that folk keep sayin that at 28 he's too old to command a fee in access of £15m, but the peak-age traditionally for a player is 27/28 yrs old, so we'd be trying to buy a player at his peak & players are playin alot longer now because they havent abused their bodies as much as players have done in the past.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Feckin drakes can be quite territorial protecting their bitches etc. A fecker once pulled a knife on me down at a lake, luckily i swiftly pulled out my numchucks & give him a clout around the bake. Prick soon backed down & gave me bread..

Birds eh...?!
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Shit things got waaaay to heavy there, no opportunity for diplomacy. Where was the lake South Central? At least you showed them who is boss. The mallard who affronted me had a selection of bitches at his disposal, he was obviously showing them he has game.

Hitchcock didn't have a clue did he?
 
I think we'll spend more than usual in this summer window.
 
I find it hard to believe we suddenly have deep pockets...I still expect us to buy astutely and not spunk money like City or Chelsea.
 
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