Damn that old generous rogue Sir Alex Ferguson. He always did dish out too many Werthers to us sickly kids.
Moyes: "There's no budget" | Moyes told that he can spend as much as he likes
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Damn that old generous rogue Sir Alex Ferguson. He always did dish out too many Werthers to us sickly kids.
Goddamit, now all I can think is how cool it would be if we signed Thiago, did a big Barcelona style 'presentation' of the player, and he sashayed onto the OT turf with Stevie Wonder's Signed Sealed Delivered, I'm Yours ringing out!
He's not a better header than Rooney was that season. Rooney had the best conversion rate with headers that season.
Fellaini is just incredibly hard to stop getting to the ball when he has a run at it as Vidic has found out a few times. His conversion rate isnt that great
It's not though. It's people like him that feck me off because they jump on the Top Red bandwagon whenever anything negative is posted about the club. It's why the Caf is such a good forum, people are free to speak their mind, be it negative or positive. It'd be a pretty dull world if everyone was told to agree with one another. He might find that it makes the Caf a "very tiresome place", well grand, that's his opinion, that doesn't make it correct.
I'd rather have a Cosmit who speaks his mind be it wrongly or rightly than some geezer that talks down to people. That is of course... my opinion
Anyway, this is gone madly offtopic. So that'll be my last post in here. In short, chill the feck out Rowem, Dave wtf you say that for you cretin.
/leaves stage to the left.
Don't leave man...we need to stick together...pool our strength. They are like locusts. And not nice locusts at that. We need to be the Tarantulas.
Remember if there are too many locusts in the cage...you get dead Tarantulas. Not good.
You appear to have confused a Sun article as being a press release from the club.
Twitter, tabloids, same shit. It's all unfounded speculation about how we do our business, and you lap it up on queue.
Quite a bizarre accusation that United talk too much. United barely ever comment on transfer rumours compared to other big clubs. Of the big clubs, we're most certainly one of the most likely to keep tight-lipped whilst going about our business.
Your imagination is running away with you....and I like it. I really do.
Fellaini played very high up this season and is a very good header of the ball, yes he didn't score many from Baines crosses. No one's denying Baines a is a good player but he will not improve us substantially if at all. If Baines has better crossing, then Evra is a better dribbler and we'll lose that part of Evra's game.
And the 'number of chances created' is a pointless stat
I thought the whole interview was listed in the Telegraph. I'm not accusing them of talking too much, just regurgitating the same pap time and again. Its not transfer rumours, its the constant need to somehow reassure, when that comes with the conclusion of business.
There are shitloads of press releases or interviews since 2009 dealing with the same rhetoric displayed in the most recent comments. I would look a few up but you don't need any help there's fecking stacks to sift through. Besides I can't be arsed arguing with you....its a sunny day outside and I've got rivers to jump into.
I think the thread titles should be:
"Moyes says he can spend as much as he likes - caftards say he should shut up"
"Thiago Alcantara - caftards complain Moyes should say something, then don't like what he says"
"Moyes says he can spend as much as he likes - caftards say he should shut up"
"Thiago Alcantara - caftards complain Moyes should say something, then don't like what he says"
Touché. You know, I think that's the first time I've seen you make a joke.
You only have a problem with the answers the club give because you don't believe them.
Which goes back to my original point. That you have your mind made up before you even read the quotes. You believe that United are lying to you from a prepared script to deflect from the real truth that there is no money to spend.
Something like that would boost Baines crossing stats somewhat then. That's why we can't be fooled too much by them. He's a good player with very good delivery but the reason he's 'created' so many chances is because Everton's team were set up to utilise him due to their lack of quality and the fact that he takes all the set pieces for a team designed to rely on set pieces. That won't happen at Utd to anywhere near the same extent.
They dribbled (successfully) the same amount this season. If Evra is better at it its minimally. Whereas Baines crossing is light years ahead.
Chances created is not a pointless stat, neither is key passes which Baines had the most of in the entire league for almost the whole season. Silva just about came back at the end so Baines finished 2nd with 0.2 less key passes a match
Not really. Fellaini was 5th most aerial duels won, behind 4 other attacking players. Carrol, Crouch, Benteke, Fletcher. You'd expect him to be even higher than that
Baines was the 2nd most creative player in the league with passes. Thats ignoring set pieces and crosses. After him were Suarez, Mata, Gerrard and Cazorla
Young (Right-side) - never fit it seems & he's had another set-back in training the other day with a knock on his ankle, but can certainly whip a ball in when he is fit.
Nani (Right-side) - doesnt seem to give a shit much of the time (could have a good season due to it being world cup year though). Hit & miss crosser & shit most of the time takin corners too.
Valencia (Right-side) - totally off-form last season, could be because of problems with previous injury (same as Nani - could have a good season due to it being world cup year though) but can certainly cross a ball - whipping & floating with equal precision when on form.
Rafael (Right-side) - good crosser alright, which is a massive plus on the right. He's gonna be a top-player, even more than he is already. Massive progress with decision-makin, jumping in & is alot stronger - he's filled out immensely in the past 2 years.
Evra (Left-side) - couldnt cross his legs unfortunately & doesnt know what "whippin a ball in" is - he floats balls in (thats too slow when counter-attacking & defenders are given time to get back into position), drills it or tries to take a man on, but if he loses it (most of the time) - he doesnt bother his arse trackin back when we're being counter-attacked following his loss of the ball.
Buttner (Left-side) - Has potential & is very committed to doing well for the club, i can see why we signed him - definitely a Fergie type of mentality. Similiar style to Evra, seems to prefer to take on defenders than cross - which is exciting & penetrating, but a quick whipped ball into the box on the break & we're in business. He'll learn when to run & when to cross in time though. Better crosser than Evra, but tends to float it much the same way - possible Evra influence there.
Fabio (Left-side) - Has massive potential & was supposed to be the better player of the twins - most certainly going forward & scoring goals. Captain of the Brazilian Under-age teams & good goal-scoring rate for a full-back in those teams. Cant comment on his crossing as i know feck all about it to be honest. Can he cross with his left-foot though? If he cant, then its wee-buns for a defender, knowing that he's gonna fake & then turn onto his right to attempt a cross. If he wants to nail down that position or be atleast understudy, then he's gonna have to go hang out with Lahm for a couple of weeks & see how its done, because he's gotta need the confidence to whip in a ball with his left when given the chance.
Giggsy (Left-side) - we all know what Giggsy offers on the left. Has the full range of crosses & squaring the ball etc.. but might not get too many games playin on that side next season. Legend!
In considering all of that, right-sided we're in good fettle if those mentioned players get their form back. Rafa is pretty consistent with his crosses & knows when to run the ball & when just to whip-cross it in. Left-side we're no way in great shape in the crossing stakes.
Floatin balls into the box is an option - it shouldnt be the only option we have available to us though & thats what Baines brings to the party, aswell as all his other excellent attributes. He an exceptional all-round footballer with great intelligence in reading play in both directions & has the pace & determination to get himself into position on a counter-attack or defending a counter-attack. He's a gem at set-pieces & that would also free-up RVP from right-sided corner taking duties too.
I have to say, i'm a bittuva fan of the aul Bainesy & with him & Bale on the left-side & Rafa & Ronnie on the right-side - we'd be fecking awesome
I'd be delighted if we got Baines, the consistency of his attacking play down the left is great and his delivery fantastic. He will work well with any of our left wingers, better than Evra. Main thing is he will be able to put in some quality crosses from the overlapping position, something which Evra struggled with IMO.
Cant argue with that!
And Baines crosses from open play fetched how many goals for Everton last season?
The most pointless stats going I reckon. Any pass that leads to a shot at goal is a chance created. All that tells me in Baines gets forward a lot which I already know
Chances created is not a 'pointless stat', at all. It's not the be all and end all, but clearly it isn't 'pointless'.
It's not though. It's people like him that feck me off because they jump on the Top Red bandwagon whenever anything negative is posted about the club. It's why the Caf is such a good forum, people are free to speak their mind, be it negative or positive. It'd be a pretty dull world if everyone was told to agree with one another. He might find that it makes the Caf a "very tiresome place", well grand, that's his opinion, that doesn't make it correct.
I'd rather have a Cosmit who speaks his mind be it wrongly or rightly than some geezer that talks down to people. That is of course... my opinion
Anyway, this is gone madly offtopic. So that'll be my last post in here. In short, chill the feck out Rowem, Dave wtf you say that for you cretin.
/leaves stage to the left.
Good post
Iiiii-eeeeuuuurrgggh. Wrong again Rowem do you want to move to double jeopardy where the scores can really change?
You can't tell everything with stats: if a back decides to do so - he can easily cross 20 times each match - doesn't necessary mean it was the right decision to cross 20 times each match.
You can also turn things around and ask like you did "and how many goals did Baines crossing give Everton from open play?" - but if you look at the players Everton are likely to have in the box from open play - how can you expect them to score a lot of goals from open play ?
We have RvP, Hernandez and Rooney in the box (who scored almost 50 goals between them) - Everton had Jelavic and Anichebe as strikers - both scored 8 goals. They also had Fellaini but he usually played as a central midfielder
If Baines deliever the same crosses at United as he did at Everton - he will probably get twice as many assists.
A muppet is what a muppet does... He's gone full-scale muppet i know, big deal though man its been a very trying few weeks. Have mercy on his poor beaten down soul
I think he's pretty funny to be honest. Thats his opinion about what he thinks is wrong or right with the squad etc, i'm not gonna tell him he's wrong because i agree with both arguments to a certain extent - even if thats maybe reflecting a sitting-on-the-fench opinion (which i dont think i am).
Funny thing is - you's boys would probably enjoy a sit-down & a pint talkin shite
He recognizes we're short in midfield
If there is one thing I am slightly worried about, is that we aren't being linked with any midfielders since the Idaho stuff died down. For the life of me I can't think of a realistic signing either. Sure there are small rumours with Baines And jovetic, who would arguably improve us a little (evra is still a good player, and our forward positions are covered unless jovetic will play on the left), but the positions we really need doesn't seem like they will be strengthened too much. The only thing keeping hopes is him saying we are short in midfield.
Fellaini didn't play as a CM though.
With the 'chances created' stat, every shot is a chance created regardless of whether it's from the half way line or a couple of yards from the goal mouth. A number of those chances created by Baines are also from corners. So each time he takes a half decent corner he creates a chance. What a load of fecking nonsense. Not even sure what key passes is tbh
And the bit at the bottom is said too often. Young had a shit load of assists for Villa, hasn't doubled his tally for United has he? Same will happen with Baines and most of his assists are from set pieces I think.
I am not saying Baines is a bad player, he might even be better than Evra but unless Evra is leaving I see it as a pointless signing who won't improve us much, if at all.
I agree with the notion of Baines and rate him. He tends to cut inside though, with so many right footed wingers I'm not so sure that will work too well.
Does he? Can't say I'v noticed that.
Main thing is that when does find himself outside he can put in a dangerous delivery, arguably as good as our wingers. Will make a nice change from Evras crosses.
Quality players are usually expensive but talk is cheap, saying we'd be willing to spend £75M on a player doesn't put me in Ronaldo Muppet mode, but combined with Moyes acknowledging we need to strengthen in midfield gives me a sliver of hope that we might splurge £30-40M on a real top end CM like Gundogan or Vidal....maybe.
Moyes seems to think it is - is he wrong & you're right then?
Was Fergie wrong aswell, given the fact he was chasing him last summer?
To say Baines wouldnt improve the side is deluded. Best full-back in the Prem & the first name on Uniteds potential transfer target list by all media outlets. Why's that? Because everyone see's our left-side as problematic with Evra & Buttner as back-up!
Wish people would drop this whole "priority" crap - as if everyone doesnt fecking know what the priority is. The priority is much more than a feckin mid-fielder - we need atleast two to keep up with whats comin this season, then we need to better that by gettin some magic in. Anyone thinks that we'll win the league with the squad we have now are fooling themselves, we won the league quite easily in the end but we dont have Fergie anymore & he could get the best out any team.
We dont know if Moyes can do here, what he did with Everton, but i trust him alright, just hope we improve on what we have - a left-back, centre-back (cant risk the same shit happening every year), 2 central mid-fielders... & that bitta magic would be lovely too: Ronnie & Bale!
Its not my money, so spend all you want Moyesy
Moyes seems to think it is - is he wrong & you're right then?
Was Fergie wrong aswell, given the fact he was chasing him last summer?
To say Baines wouldnt improve the side is deluded. Best full-back in the Prem & the first name on Uniteds potential transfer target list by all media outlets. Why's that? Because everyone see's our left-side as problematic with Evra & Buttner as back-up!
Wish people would drop this whole "priority" crap - as if everyone doesnt fecking know what the priority is. The priority is much more than a feckin mid-fielder - we need atleast two to keep up with whats comin this season, then we need to better that by gettin some magic in. Anyone thinks that we'll win the league with the squad we have now are fooling themselves, we won the league quite easily in the end but we dont have Fergie anymore & he could get the best out any team.
We dont know if Moyes can do here, what he did with Everton, but i trust him alright, just hope we improve on what we have - a left-back, centre-back (cant risk the same shit happening every year), 2 central mid-fielders... & that bitta magic would be lovely too: Ronnie & Bale!
Its not my money, so spend all you want Moyesy
I agree that Baines would be an improvement on Evra but if we're getting him, we'll have to sell Evra. Having both of them with Fabio and Buttner is overkill.
Moyes seems to think it is - is he wrong & you're right then?
Was Fergie wrong aswell, given the fact he was chasing him last summer?
To say Baines wouldnt improve the side is deluded. Best full-back in the Prem & the first name on Uniteds potential transfer target list by all media outlets. Why's that? Because everyone see's our left-side as problematic with Evra & Buttner as back-up!
Wish people would drop this whole "priority" crap - as if everyone doesnt fecking know what the priority is. The priority is much more than a feckin mid-fielder - we need atleast two to keep up with whats comin this season, then we need to better that by gettin some magic in. Anyone thinks that we'll win the league with the squad we have now are fooling themselves, we won the league quite easily in the end but we dont have Fergie anymore & he could get the best out any team.
We dont know if Moyes can do here, what he did with Everton, but i trust him alright, just hope we improve on what we have - a left-back, centre-back (cant risk the same shit happening every year), 2 central mid-fielders... & that bitta magic would be lovely too: Ronnie & Bale!
Its not my money, so spend all you want Moyesy
He won't improve our team substantially which is what you said. You are massively underrating Evra or really overrating Baines if you think that. I have actually said Baines might marginally improve us so not sure what you're talking about there.
The bit in bold is hilarious.
I said it before, as long as we get a midfielder in, i don't care who we get next after that. Can be another Bebe for all i care
If we don't strengthen the midfield then I don't think we'll win the title either, I'd have us third favourites behind Chelsea and then city actually. You're seriously underestimating Sir Alex's impact on this club if you think we can win the title no problem with the squad we have. It is possible of course, but unlikely seeing as both Chelsea and city have strengthened, and brought in more successful managers to replace who they had.
Those two are right-sided, plus we have Rafa. We've less impact on the left though & as i've said more times than enough in this thread - Baines first & foremost is a better player than Evra, both going forward & defending.
In the modern game, havin great full-backs will take a team onto the next level. We're sorted with Rafa on the right, now we need to sort the left out when there's a possibility of gettin a top-class acquisition like Baines in. Thats my opinion & its obvious to me thats a problem area - goals are scored from full-back feck ups all the time & i've seen enough of Evra's feck-ups these past three seasons - last season he wasnt as bad because he had competition from Buttner!
If we're gonna compete with the likes of Bayern, then we'll need to improve not just in mid-field. Bayern are moving very quickly ahead of us & what we have is just not good enough to compete with them. Only a fool would think different!
Did I touch a nerve?
You didn't come close...you couldn't even locate it in your desperation.
You did quote my user name correctly on up to 3 occasions though, so I know you are being serious. I must applaud you on that one.
It will be tougher but 'Anyone thinks that we'll win the league with the squad we have now are fooling themselves' is a bit extreme seeing as we won it quite easily in the end. And signing Baines will not be the difference, it's like people have already forgotten Evra's performances