Moyes: "There's no budget" | Moyes told that he can spend as much as he likes

Siorac said:
We did brilliantly to come back in 02/03 and deserved the title win, don't get me wrong. What I'm getting at is that our greatest challengers were an Arsenal side with a thin squad and a lot of defensive injuries on the run-in. This time the rivals have bigger, deeper squads and we don't have Sir Alex Ferguson.

I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that third place is acceptable atm. We have barely created a goalscoring chance in three games against Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City and struggled to break down Crystal Palace. We have the squad to do better than third but finishing there would be no disaster and we definitely need some injection of quality.
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Yeah, you are correct in that. The mention of the 02/03 start was more in reply to Peterstorey who loves to have a go at United whenever he can.

I don't mean that finishing 3rd would be pathetic for us, we might well end up there come the end of the season. Can't see us being outside top 3 though. Spurs and Arsenal has started very good, but I don't see them being above us when 38 games are played.
 
Your current team looks insipid, and the manager clueless. You could turn things from this and it's by no means a crisis, but I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine you won't be there in the top 2 come April/May.
 
Donaldo said:
Your current team looks insipid, and the manager clueless. You could turn things from this and it's by no means a crisis, but I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine you won't be there in the top 2 come April/May.
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It's not a stretch to imagine that we'll be there either. City were fantastic yesterday but they're always good at home, it's their away form that has been utter shite so far. They were poor at Cardiff and diabolical at Stoke (well, by all accounts they were, I didn't see that game). So they have their own issues. Chelsea still don't have a top class striker and Mourinho is busy alienating Mata. You guys have Giroud as their number one striker.

All the top teams have problems, none of them are clearly better than us. Not yet, anyway.
 
Siorac said:
I agree. Young and probably Valencia will have to go. Anderson as well. Giggs will retire. We'll have to freshen up the squad and sign real quality. Not mid-table players because they're 5-10m cheaper.
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You struggled to attract quality players this summer under Moyes, but what would happen next summer if you didn't even have CL football to offer prospective signings?
 
GlastonSpur said:
You struggled to attract quality players this summer under Moyes, but what would happen next summer if you didn't even have CL football to offer prospective signings?
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You signed Lamela, Paulinho and Soldado who all are great player and you didn't have CL football to offer.
 
And following Bale's dream move, every 'superstar' think they're a great platform.
 
Yeah Spurs are a great club for talents like Eriksen and Lamela to make their mark on a good side before hopefully progressing to one of Europe's top teams.
 
People really need to calm down, it has been five games, the table is totally meaningless, Arsenal and Spurs have had piss easy starts, so have City, although they've managed to feck up at Stoke and Cardiff. We've lost away to Liverpool and away to City, you generally win titles by consistently beating the dross and picking up points at home to the challengers, not by beating your rivals away from home.

The mickeza guide to winning the league:

Bottom 10 home and away = 60pts
6 wins at home against top 9 = 18pts
2 draws at home against top 9 = 2pts
2 wins away against top 9 = 6pts
1 draw away against top 9 = 1pt

Total = 87pts

If you'd allow me to indulge in some Glastonesque arrogance, the league is practically already won, whoever drew the fixtures out has just done everyone a favour by keeping it interesting for a while, and allowed Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal fans to dare to dream. I think that was very nice of them, it's good to see the premier league engage in charity work. However, in the long run, losing at home to the likes of Aston Villa or away to Cardiff is far more damaging than losing away to Manchester City or Liverpool.

P.S it would have been nice if we spent some more money this summer.
P.P.S If we don't win at least four of our next six games it's possible we may not have already won the league.
 
Siorac said:
We did brilliantly to come back in 02/03 and deserved the title win, don't get me wrong. What I'm getting at is that our greatest challengers were an Arsenal side with a thin squad and a lot of defensive injuries on the run-in. This time the rivals have bigger, deeper squads and we don't have Sir Alex Ferguson.

I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that third place is acceptable atm. We have barely created a goalscoring chance in three games against Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City and struggled to break down Crystal Palace. We have the squad to do better than third but finishing there would be no disaster and we definitely need some injection of quality.
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Might be nice if we used some of it, see https://www.redcafe.net/threads/nani-kagawa-and-hernandez.377267/page-2#post-14246488
 
I will continue banging on, as I have all summer - we need a top class attacking, penetrative player/prospect just as much as we need a class midfielder. Judging by the going rate, I believe we'll need to spend around £35m on both a central midfielder and someone to provide cutting edge in the final third in terms of pace, creativity and goals.
 
Rozay said:
I will continue banging on, as I have all summer - we need a top class attacking, penetrative player/prospect just as much as we need a class midfielder. Judging by the going rate, I believe we'll need to spend around £35m on both a central midfielder and someone to provide cutting edge in the final third in terms of pace, creativity and goals.
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We had to spend £27M on Fellatio (I still can't believe that however many times I see it), so looks like we need to spend £40+ to get a properly decent player, & don't we have Kagawa for the 2nd one anyway, if only he could get a game in the correct position.
 
GlastonSpur said:
You struggled to attract quality players this summer under Moyes, but what would happen next summer if you didn't even have CL football to offer prospective signings?
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lol: We ll talk again come next March/April....
 
GlastonSpur said:
You struggled to attract quality players this summer under Moyes, but what would happen next summer if you didn't even have CL football to offer prospective signings?
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You're better placed to answer that.
 
GlastonSpur said:
You struggled to attract quality players this summer under Moyes, but what would happen next summer if you didn't even have CL football to offer prospective signings?
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:lol::lol:

You've spent the whole Summer on this forum boasting about how amazingggg Spurs' new signings are and how you're now better then everyone else. But now, you're saying you can't attract quality players if you're not in the Champions League, so what is it? Spurs didn't actually sign top quality in the summer, or you're chatting bollocks with your last post?
 
Spurs signed a lot of over-priced crap (Erikssen aside who was a steal) - as will be demonstrated.
 
It kind of goes without saying: his observations on football are puerile and his WUs are transparent.
 
Sam said:
:lol::lol:

You've spent the whole Summer on this forum boasting about how amazingggg Spurs' new signings are and how you're now better then everyone else. But now, you're saying you can't attract quality players if you're not in the Champions League, so what is it? Spurs didn't actually sign top quality in the summer, or you're chatting bollocks with your last post?
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Your whole post is rubbish from start to finish.

First, I haven't spent the whole summer "boasting about how amazing Spurs' new signings are" - I've said nothing about Chiriches, I've said that Paulinho looked very good in the Confed. Cup (which he did), I've said very little about any of the individual other new signings, and I've noted for all of the new signings that it remains to be seen how well they adapt to the Prem. Beyond that I've said only that my belief is that overall we've strengthened the squad despite losing Bale, though this belief remains to be proven over the course of the season .

Second, I haven't said we're better than everyone else. I'm predicting 3rd place for Spurs.

Third, I haven't said that a club can't attract quality players if they're not in the CL. I've merely asked as to how United would fare in attracting quality players next summer, given your failure to do so this summer, if you were to not qualify the CL?
 
Poor Glaston.

Even unintentionally he manages to make a Gooner look good.

Sums Spurs up as a club.
 
peterstorey said:
Spurs signed a lot of over-priced crap (Erikssen aside who was a steal) - as will be demonstrated.
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All of new players that have featured to date, have looked good so far and have performed well - the latest instance being Paulinho's accomplished winner against Cardiff, assisted by Lamela. How they pan out over the season remains to be seen.

Your assessment of "over-priced crap" is both lacking credibility on the Prem evidence thus far and lacking credibility when it comes to the prior performance of these players at their various previous club.

Spurs have started well, not least with just 1 goal conceded in 8 competitive games. With our strong squad depth I think we'll be very hard to knock off course.

In contrast, Arsenal's squad depth is more flimsy. You blew the chance to address this problem in the summer, and spent mega-bucks on a player in a squad-area that needed strengthening least. Sure, Ozil will improve your first XI, but that won't help much if Giroud (for example) is out for any length of time.
 
Bestie07 said:
feck off. Do you have CL football? Or have the players you signed not "quality"?
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They've invested in youth and unproven quantities. Clubs like ourselves and Real will enjoy the peak years of Spurs' current crop.
 
peterstorey said:
Spurs signed a lot of over-priced crap (Erikssen aside who was a steal) - as will be demonstrated.
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Would agree with this. Okay, not really crap, but I also think most of those players will end up as average, not really improving Spurs too much at all.
 
The Neviller said:
I was banned for a week during the summer for doing so.
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As I recall you got banned partly for persistent "witch-hunting" against anyone who dared to breathe any criticism of United's summer transfer dealings. But in the end, your "top red" posturing collapsed under the weight of its own accumulating blind stupidity, as transfer absurdity piled on top of transfer absurdity.
 
You've got to think Wenger's taking the piss big style here. Man Utd spend £27M on Fellaini, Spurs spend £27M on Paulinho and Capoue - AW gets a better DM than all 3 for zilch. # having a giraffe.
 
peterstorey said:
You've got to think Wenger's taking the piss big style here. Man Utd spend £27M on Fellaini, Spurs spend £27M on Paulinho and Capoue - AW gets a better DM than all 3 for zilch. # having a giraffe.
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He really does look brilliant for you so far, very good move from Wenger
 
peterstorey said:
You've got to think Wenger's taking the piss big style here. Man Utd spend £27M on Fellaini, Spurs spend £27M on Paulinho and Capoue - AW gets a better DM than all 3 for zilch. # having a giraffe.
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Paulinho's not a DM, a fact which reflects your lightweight assessments of players about which you clearly know very little.
 
GlastonSpur said:
You struggled to attract quality players this summer under Moyes, but what would happen next summer if you didn't even have CL football to offer prospective signings?
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I'm not defending the transfer shambles of this summer, but who, apart from Fabregas, did we fail to attract? Moyes pussied out on Thiago, we didn't bid for Modric, Özil by most accounts wanted to come to United but we wanted to keep Rooney and they play in the same position, Herrera by all accounts wanted to come here we just didn't want to pay the full clause. Yes the transfer window was shambolic but it was nothing to do with quality players being put off by Moyes, our problems in this window were self inflicted.
 
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