Transfers don't work this way these days though. Our camp will first contact Bale's camp to find out if he is interested in moving to us. If he is, which isn't a certainty given Madrid have been casting admiring glances, then we make the bid.
Moyes: "There's no budget" | Moyes told that he can spend as much as he likes
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Transfers don't work this way these days though. Our camp will first contact Bale's camp to find out if he is interested in moving to us. If he is, which isn't a certainty given Madrid have been casting admiring glances, then we make the bid.
Just like Arsenal, eh? No need to do it, if we aren't actually going to sign a player then we shouldn't really be putting in a bid.
There's no chance we'd get Bale for £40m anyway, Spurs would remand at least £50m from an English side. In this market €60m wouldn't be a surprising price for someone like Bale, at the end of the day it'd cost Spurs €20m+ to bring any decent winger let alone Bale replacement.
Making a bid at least £20 million below the realistic price isnt going to make anyone sit up and take notice. Never mind wasting Spurs and the players time and what its likely to do with any negotiations down the track in terms of unsettling the player and pissing the club off.
As it happens I could see Bale at United, but he'll cost more than that. If the club are serious they should go with a real bid.
I could also see Ronaldo back at some stage - but not this year. Much more sensible to wait 12 months and sign him for a knockdown price.
My colleague who sits opposite me at work is a hard core Inter Ultra .... and he loves Mourinho as does the rest of the Inter fan base. The rest of the Serie A may dislike him, but the players and fans of Inter will love him til the day they die. Mourinho is proven to create an unyielding commitment from his team (of course accepting a few rare exceptions).
It's hard to say because Moyes has only ever managed at Everton in the Premier League where targets were different. He's a good manager for sure but whether it's good enough for a club like United remains to be seen.
Chelsea and City will definitely be more competitive with their new managers and signings they've already made and will make before the transfer window closes. We'll still be up there as favourites but without Ferguson it'll be much tougher. Last season was exceptional, very few of our players were actually in a great form through the entire season (Carrick, van Persie, Rafael, de Gea and Evra were consistently good) and quite a few weren't good at all (all our wingers who were our main asset the season before) yet we managed to win the league comfortably with a great points total. In terms of delivering results with somehow limited resources I think it was the best Ferguson did in his career at United.
People in England didn't warm to Ferguson too much either and the opposition fans absolutely hated him yet it's pretty clear he was the best manager in the game during his days at United.
Glaston was jokin man & you bit. Of course he knows what ABU means, the feckin cheeky wumming wanker
Meh, he spouts shite like he hasn't got a clue most of the time so who was to know..?
Its all well and good saying there is no budget and Moyes can spend whatever he wants, but until you go out and actually spend the money the comments are hollow. Fact is United rarely ever sign ready made greats for huge transfer fees. We always seem to have a cut off point where we simply back away either be it for transfer fees or for wages. Our biggest transfer fee so far is 30.5 million which is small compared to some of the sums that the likes of Real and Barca have paid in the past. People talk about spending 40+ million on Bale, but I cannot see United they way we are run doing to that.
I'm not saying its a bad thing and it is admirable, but Moyes will learn quickly that even though in theory we have a limitless pot of cash we rarely if ever use it to its fullest capability. I think some of the fans need to realize this as well.
I'm not saying its a bad thing and it is admirable, but Moyes will learn quickly that even though in theory we have a limitless pot of cash we rarely if ever use it to its fullest capability. I think some of the fans need to realize this as well.
Fergie was the reason we won the title last year - but the underachivements of Chelsea and City especially played a part. United had a great start and pretty much stayed there all year - but neither City or Chelsea really ever put them under any sustained pressure.
One things for sure - both City and Chelsea will come again, and Arsenal and Spurs may yet stregthen enough to mount a semi-serious challenge. The PL will be extremely competative next year, so lets hope Moyes gets it right. he and the club are making all the right noises and for now I suppose we have to wait and see what transpires.
Or may be we put them under sustained pressure that they could never cope with? I don't buy the perception that we won because they lost. We won because we showed more desire and determination from the beginning. I don't see why it would be any different this term under a new manager, who has a lot to prove.
I don't disagree that we need to strengthen in a couple of areas, mainly central midfield and left wing. I am sure we will before the season begins.
So Chelsea and City have strengthened well, Bayern have signed two of the most gifted young players in Europe, Barcelona the most gifted outside Europe, Real have signed 2 of the most exciting Spanish talents available.
We appear to be talking big as usual, like Arsenal (although they have actually put big money on the table). The hard work and toil United are apparently proclaiming doesn't appear to be hard enough judging by the sight of our domestic and European rivals getting their shit together. The new season is literally weeks away and Norwich have done better business than us.
We have probably run out of possible targets who have one year remaining on their current deal. What to do? Pay a release clause?
Hic.
We appear to be talking big as usual, like Arsenal (although they have actually put big money on the table). The hard work and toil United are apparently proclaiming doesn't appear to be hard enough judging by the sight of our domestic and European rivals getting their shit together. The new season is literally weeks away and Norwich have done better business than us.
We have probably run out of possible targets who have one year remaining on their current deal. What to do? Pay a release clause?
Hic.
Consistently spending less than your rivals (whether English or continental) will definitely turn the odds against United in the long run. I think it's whoever running the club who needs to understand that, not Moyes (I'm not saying they didn't, just basing this thought on your assumption). With the job he his expected to do, he should be given the tools to do it, and he should make use of them.
You can achieve more with less, but not with a lot less on a consistent basis. Your rivals will eventually prey on that.
So he's made official bids for Baines and Fabregas to date. No complaints from me so far!
Thats not what I said.
United had a great season - for me much better than would have been expected at the start of the season, but both City and Chelsea were poor, and that was a huge factor. I think denying that massively overestimates the quality available to Fergie in key areas last season, and even takes away from his achievement - not a classic United side but he found a way to get the job done regardless.
And what good would that do exactly? I never understand all this "statement of intent" bullshit, what exactly is it meant to achieve? Are we just attention seeking, is that the aim? Sure they'd sit up and take notice, most likely they'd think "oh look, United put in a paltry bid for Bale which immediately got turned down, oh well"...
If we actually signed him, the benefit for us would come from the fact we gained a world class player rather than some mythical fear we'd supposedly be sending through to Europe's top teams.
Considering our wingers were pretty poor or injured, havin massive gaps in mid-field & a depleted defence for most of the season - we did very well indeed & you have to take your hat off to Fergie for his legendary motivational skills too & to the players for never sayin die no matter what the score is!
City & Chelsea will be a different animal this season thats for sure, so its gonna be a very exciting campaign - hopefully more so for us
Its hard to know what sort of opening bid to place for Bale though. Levy is a proper cnut of CEO & loves to push it as far as he can go - which is fair enough, we'd do the same. But there's no way we should pay the same money we got for Ronnie & thats the kind of money thats been comin out of Spuds regarding Bales price-tag. If we could get him for £55m with add-on's, that would represent a good deal for all concerned in my opinion, but i cant see that sum being good enough for Levy, it would probably take about £60/65m with add-on's.
Thats still feckin mental money for a player thats only had about 2 great seasons out of him, but i guess you're paying for whats to come...
Then you get those saying Ronaldo is crazy money because he has few years left... We should get both to balance the odds.
Yeah totally man - if we have the money - why the feck not eh? I like your style aul son
I think the rumours doin the rounds were that Nike & Chevrolet were gonna look after the Ronnie fee, so that only leaves us with the Bale, Fabregas, Fellaini, Baines & Garay fees - wee buns...
We should continue bidding for CMs and being rejected, then watch them all spontaneously combust when we get Cristiano and Bale making James McCarthy look like the second coming of Xavi Hernández.
'United have managed only seven points from their opening five games, their worst start since the 2004-05 campaign when they had six. That season they finished third, 18 points behind Chelsea'.
They're making Young walk the plank on the port bow, cap'n.
Third would do for me this year. No excuses for the summer then for Moyes to get rid of the dead wood and bring in some much needed quality for a proper title challenge.
I agree. Young and probably Valencia will have to go. Anderson as well. Giggs will retire. We'll have to freshen up the squad and sign real quality. Not mid-table players because they're 5-10m cheaper.
You just know that's what we'll do.
Watch him bid 20m for Gotze next summer then.
More like 19. He has to be fed you know.
We had 8 points in our first six games of the 2002/03 season and we won the league.
Don't know if you noticed, but there's minimum 4 teams going for the league this time. Just saying.
Not really. United, Chelsea and city.
What relevance does that have to the thread?
It's also a bit pointless to keep repeating this. Yes, we did. We ended up with 83 points which almost certainly won't be enough this time and our only credible challengers were Arsenal who imploded and collapsed under the weight of injuries. In April Newcastle still looked like title challengers (well, mathematically they had a chance)... the competition is a lot tougher this time.
07/08 would be a better example but we don't have Cristiano Ronaldo right now.
Could turn out to be a fantastic season ahead, though I fear that result yesterday might just have ignited City. They weren't too great at all before yesterday.
City invested £100 million into their team this season whereas we dawdled around and overpaid on the last day of the transfer window, barely scrapping past the £30 million mark. We really needed to spend £60 million this summer to remain title contenders, with £40 million of that on a world class CM.
Just as much as saying that we had our worst start since 04/05 and finished 3rd.
And we had a lot more injuries than that Arsenal team in 02/03 so there's no excuse for them. For the first few months we had Keane out until december, Scholes had an operation, Beckham operation, Rio had injuries and so on.
To just accept a 3rd place is pathetic.
We did brilliantly to come back in 02/03 and deserved the title win, don't get me wrong. What I'm getting at is that our greatest challengers were an Arsenal side with a thin squad and a lot of defensive injuries on the run-in. This time the rivals have bigger, deeper squads and we don't have Sir Alex Ferguson.
I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that third place is acceptable atm. We have barely created a goalscoring chance in three games against Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City and struggled to break down Crystal Palace. We have the squad to do better than third but finishing there would be no disaster and we definitely need some injection of quality.