It wont have changed. Another shite result and performance but I will still expect them to beat them and win the tie
Moyes: Stick or Sack?
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It wont have changed. Another shite result and performance but I will still expect them to beat them and win the tie
Fear the worst but we have to see the season out with him, no point sacking him unless he's lost the faith of all the players.
This Poll needs to be reset..
We're better away than at home.
Yeah. Because if the first leg of the fecking league cup isn't enough to completely change people's minds I don't know what is.
If it is reset can we make it public? Be interesting to see who votes sack.
agree..
On the other hand if I was Woodward and Moyes turned up in my office tomorrow and said, "I'm thinking about leaving," I'd have a severance package waiting in my top drawer.
this defeat does change a lot of things..
Unless Sir Alex agrees to return for the rest of the season is their any point in sacking Moyes?
Only Sir Alex could get us into the top 4 IMO at this stage. A new manager would have no chance at this stage. The only benefit is they wouldnt have a settling in period at the start of a season.
Only Sir Alex could get us into the top 4 IMO at this stage. A new manager would have no chance at this stage. The only benefit is they wouldnt have a settling in period at the start of a season.
Tonight's game should be changing nothing. That would be fickle.
No it doesn't. It's been one day since it's been made. If you couldn't fathom the possibility of another defeat since yesterday, you probably shouldn't have voted.
What? Are you serious?
In fairness I think a lot of the 'stick' voters would have been very borderline. If you were close to thinking something was urgently wrong with Moyes being in charge, tonight's loss could easily confirm it.
One more defeat, less than 48 hours after our last game, with a host of injuries, no options in central defence or upfront, as the first leg of two vs a team we probably will beat at home anyway - with a lot of luck going against us plus a dubious penalty decision deciding the match.
I don't think this match will impact much on people's thoughts, or it shouldn't. In the grand scheme of things this match is probably our least critical loss of the season. We even managed to look like we wanted a goal for the last couple of minutes, which at least is an improvement.
Overall though I want him gone if we're not in the CL as an absolute minimum come the end of the season. If he manages to turn things around to such a degree that we get into the CL, he'll have grown in my eyes.
I don't think this match will impact much on people's thoughts, or it shouldn't. In the grand scheme of things this match is probably our least critical loss of the season. We even managed to look like we wanted a goal for the last couple of minutes, which at least is an improvement.
Overall though I want him gone if we're not in the CL as an absolute minimum come the end of the season. If he manages to turn things around to such a degree that we get into the CL, he'll have grown in my eyes.
We'd need Phelan too. Phil's obviously been putting the cones in the wrong places. And he doesn't even wear shorts.
So this one league cup defeat (which btw didn't even throw us out of the cup yet) should decide if Moyes should be sacked or not?
For whatever it's worth, if one game changes people's minds on a decision of this magnitude then I have little interest in their opinion.
Even though it's been he has to get 4th, what are the actual repercussions if we don't get fourth place? We'll lose our CL spot, unless we win the CL.
How bad will that affect our income/debt/need to attract players in terms of a financial figure?
Are we talking 40% loss in income? Our Debt going taking a big rise? Losing a few players? Being unable to attract some new quality?
These are all questions that need to be addressed. I want to support Moyes, and give him the time he needs, but if we lose out on 4th, aren't we basically fecked to a very dangerous level with our debt and income taking a hit?
And if he does go, who do get to replace him??
How bad will that affect our income/debt/need to attract players in terms of a financial figure?
Are we talking 40% loss in income? Our Debt going taking a big rise? Losing a few players? Being unable to attract some new quality?
These are all questions that need to be addressed. I want to support Moyes, and give him the time he needs, but if we lose out on 4th, aren't we basically fecked to a very dangerous level with our debt and income taking a hit?
And if he does go, who do get to replace him??
Just put him out of his misery.
Exactly. Who voted yes but didn't expect us to lose more games, namely the one the very next day? Surely your "yes" vote wasn't conditional on today's victory?
if I'm disappointed there are many out there who are disappointed and nervous at the same time.. and i feel Moyes needs to go as of immediate affect..
For one season? No way. People are forgetting we have been the dominant side in the PL era. In the summer, with or without CL football we can sign anyone of spurs,liverpool,arsenal,etc targets with the only exception being chelsea and man city due to the insane wages they pay. Look how quickly Juventus rose after being relegated. Just need to hire the right manager.
And who would you be looking at to replace him. What viable candidates are out there that would do what Moyes isn't doing? This isn't a dig, btw, I'm just genuinely curious.
Regrettably - sack
Well, those who are unsure about Moyes but who are just about willing to stick by him for now will have to change their minds at some stage if it carries on. It would have be one game that pushes them over the edge.
Not being funny... but Sam Alladyce is probably the only man that can do worse than Moyes right now.
Time for him to go.
It doesn't. Most of 'stick' votes were conditional 'till the summer depending on results/finish' anyway, and I doubt that losing 2-1 against Sunderland away in the semi final of Mickey Mouse Cup would change anything. The results will be identic.
They would have voted in the last 24 hours, it shouldn't be this game that makes the difference to them.
In the sense of straws and camels' backs, you mean? Surely not. It's the first leg of a league cup clash we're talking about. They should at least wait until we lose a match of some importance.
this is one defeat too many... in my opinion this defeat was a tilting point..and many more will be coming.. if some of you and still believe Moyes should be given extra time that is your belief.. only time will tell..
All the other stuff it was dependent on is not going to happen. I don't know why people are so deluded. The players are not going to wake up tomorrow and go on an unbeaten run until the end of the season.. Not under Moyes.
If you take the view that it's a successful season(or not too disastrous) if you get in the top four, then surely this competition really isn't significant?
No-one likes losing, but this surely shouldn't impact upon whether to sack or stick with him. Some pick up in league form has to be the indicator.
No-one likes losing, but this surely shouldn't impact upon whether to sack or stick with him. Some pick up in league form has to be the indicator.
The importance of the match shouldn't be significant. It's about judging Moyes and how the team responds to him. Clearly it was a game that we wanted to win (desperately so, for Moyes), so the fact that we lost is just as important in terms of how we judge him as a loss to a club like Sunderland in the league.
What does this have to do with anything we are talking about? I don't think that Moyes is the right manager - I never thought - I have criticized almost as much as Pimpy but voted 'stick' yesterday (and on the summer sack if things don't improve). Would this game change anything though? Well, not. I guess most of the people who were on a similar opinion to this feel the same and would have voted the same again. Those who said 'stick' with him regardless will vote the same and those who said 'sack' will vote the same.
Moral of the story: the results will be the same.
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