Imagine if Guardiola took over a league winning Bayern and had them in 8th at this stage.
Moyes: Stick or Sack?
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You stand by the manager to a point though right? At some point he has to repay you with actual results.
Someone will be photoshopping SAF, Sir Bobby and Robbo onto the musicians of the Titanic at this rate.
Someone will be photoshopping SAF, Sir Bobby and Robbo onto the musicians of the Titanic at this rate.
It's obvious not a single player has a shred of confidence in Moyes' managerial ability. And it's only getting worse every game. If there's still not a decent reaction in the next game, he should be sacked. I'd feel sorry for him but there's not much you can do when you've completely lost the dressing room. If we get a reaction in the next game he's got a chance of turning it around. If we suffer another loss, well, I just don't see how there's anything Moyes can do for this group of players anymore.
"Not his squad" is a stupid excuse imo (for how badly we're performing at the moment). What do you want a manager to buy 23 hand-picked players before he can deliver?! That's absurd.
And on top of that, he had a whole Summer to pick whom he wants..
And he picked Fellaini.
And on top of that, he had a whole Summer to pick whom he wants..
And he picked Fellaini.
..stick a pin on the donkey.
Rubbish post.
Yep. No point in starting a new poll after every defeat or victory just to measure the knee-jerk response. We'd all be as mental as Moyes!
Yeah, even though it might just be a mini recovery from us because of the change of manager, I'd be willing to take that mini recovery right now. How often does it happen that a team gets even worse after a sacking mid way through the season? Long term yeah it happens, but short term there's usually a bit of results and that could be enough to save our season.
Benitez did it with Inter, he took over an ageing treble winning side who had given everything for their previous manager and massively overachieved. Contrary to what people think on here, Rafael Benitez is a very good manager and they plummeted. Now Mourinho was only there for there years, Ferguson was here for twenty seven.
A change could be the kick we need to nap that 4th place which isn't out of reach at the moment, drop some more points in the next few games and it'd look very gloomy.
This question would be fair if we lost those matches with a fully fit Rooney.
...yeah..I know. We are a one man team until we get some decent players in midfield. But Moyes caused his own problems...with the wasted summer.
...yeah..I know. We are a one man team until we get some decent players in midfield. But Moyes caused his own problems...with the wasted summer.
The reason 'every other club' acts like every other club is because it's the sensible thing to do. Universal behavior is usually beneficial. Almost everybody steps out of the way of an oncoming bus - being different by staying put won't pay many dividends.
ok..I said Stick. because I think he has the character to come out of this hole he has dug for himself.
nicely put.Im surely not the only one who thinks this embarrassment should be locked. Maybe reopened at the end of the season if neccesary but come on people. Did any of you listen to the away fans tonight, or the stretford end on sunday? thats the type of fan you should want to be like. Be prepared to take a year or two like this in return for all the memories the club gave you. Talking about sacking anybody, in any walk of life so soon is just ridiculous and you all laughed at chelsea doing it.
We laughed at Chelsea sacking Di Matteo 4 months after winning Chelsea their first champions league in their history, just like we laughed at them Sacking AVB after 3 or 4 months after they were still in the top 4 if I recall, just not doing that great. Moyes is 7th, playing awful football, knocked out of the FA cup, half way to getting knocked out of the capital one cup and has been here for half a year. Sure you can laugh at a club like Chelsea for making rash decisions like the ones I mentioned, but you also have to know when to accept you made a mistake and cut your losses before its too late - like Liverpool did with Hodgson.
We support Manchester United the club, not Moyes the club employee, whether you agree with our view that he should be sacked, we (those who want him sacked) have the best interests of the club as our priority, not some antiquated notion of "the right thing to do".
I believe a lot of people support the succesful man utd. not the one going through a low point.
IS it so bad to want the club you support to be successful?
I get the impression some are happy with this season so they can call themselves t0preds and take the moral highground.
thats not what i mean. theres a grey area between the spoiled and the top reds. the hysteria after a few bad months in staggering. support the man, let him have a season and revisit the issue if needs be. but if we get a cup final win against city, champions league football, a good run in europe and announce a good signing in the close season maybe your mind will have changed. think long and hard about the job hes come into.
What if we finish 7th, get trashed in the CL QF, have Rooney & RVP wanting to leave due to no CL place, etc?
then as i said, we revisit the issue when there are some definites on the table. nothing is decided in january and given the scale of the job he inherited at least a season is needed. i understand emotions are running high and its a very passionate game but if man utd sacked moyes this week, only then, would i say we are in 'crisis'. it would be an abysmal move.
Do you see this as very likely now?
You can't blame people for trying to save this season.. If we miss on champions league football next season it will have a lot of bad implications on our club (failure to attract good player in the Summer, failure to hold on to our best players, losing revenue which will make buying good players even more difficult...etc.).
There is a reason why people are starting to get nervous now, because the way things are going right now, the price we're going to pay at the end of the season is going to be very high..
And this is coming from somebody who voted "Stick" in the above poll, and wouldn't change his vote if he voted today, but you can't blame people for losing patience, and getting worried.
So instead of trying to save this season, we just write it off and then sack him once CL qualification is out of the question?
Do you honestly think he can take us to 4th? or chelsea the CL?
I think he's alluding to the fact that there's huge numbers of United 'fans' who are glory hunters who latched themselves to the club during the good times and now don't like it that they club they chose for their success isn't getting it at the moment. He's absolutely spot on in that assessment.
I wish I share your optimism.
If we are losing to the likes of Sunderland, I really don't see how we can finish 4th.
Wait wait!! I don't care about our club's success too! The hell with the club! Moyes for life! Can I join that elite group of fans you belong to?
Completely agree.
Rubbish poster. You're a fecking moaning tosspot. If you want to know what support is then just listen to our away support. We know it's fecking shite at the moment, we don't need to hear your doom and gloom bullshit all the time.
Sound words Mate!
Sadly, you won't get a lot of support on here tonight....
do you really believe this?
I am mad with Moyes too. poor tactics, team selection...and his biggest failure...only making one panic buy....who has not fit in so far.
That is why we are so dependent on Rooney.
But just sacking the manager in mid season...what is that going to accomplish? who takes over. not Fergie....that repeats what happened with Busby. We have won so much. we can wait a season or two. I still think he will come good with right players and him learning from his own mistakes.
Just stay calm...and as some one else posted...follow that away support. I stood among them once...and they were magnificent...even when we got our arses handed to us.
Bollocks. He's the one saying we should be coached to play like a Spanish team. You wanna watch that tika taka bullshit? Go support a Spanish team. I'd rather lose than watch that shite every week.
Well, someone more tactically savvy coming in will give us a better chance of salvaging a CL spot.
If Sir Alex is willing to come back for half a season to save us from disaster, that'd be ideal, we can then go look for a better successor in the summer.
changing a manger in mid season for a club as well run as United are would cause havoc both within the club and in the finances of the club. The biggest weakness is lack of quality in midfield which had been identified...but yet amazingly nothing was done in the summer. There is zero excuse for that. And not just Moyes is responsible. One season in the wilderness is not going to destroy the club.
Are United well run at all at the moment? From Woody to Moyes, everyone seems pretty clueless.
It's not just the lack of quality in midfield anymore, it's the players' lack of trust in Moyes.
Of course we are a well run club. mistakes have been made.these will be learned from and corrected. There is enough blame to go around. But the manager of course has to bear the full brunt. I want to see how the team performs with our key injured players back and any additions we make this window,
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