I don't understand that at all but fair enough this can be the final straw for you. That said I'm going to leave the poll as is.
Moyes: Stick or Sack?
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I don't understand that at all but fair enough this can be the final straw for you. That said I'm going to leave the poll as is.
Agreed it's not significant, but it's the manner of defeats with virtually no signs of progress game after game that's making top 4 seem very unlikely.
After tonight's abysmal performance, I've made a 360 turnaround and I want my vote changed.
do you really believe its just about this one defeat?
Okay?
My stance remains the same. He should be sacked in May if we fail to qualify for the Champions League. He's staying until the end of the season at the very least. If he really has been given funds he'll stay a bit longer. His 2 guardian angels Fergie and Charlton will try to keep him in the job as long as possible. If he was a foreigner there would be a sustained media effort for him to get the sack. The English media always supports any failing British coach who is not England manager.
Well yes, considering they all voted today or yesterday and the only thing that could have changed their mind in that time would have been this one defeat?
What about you Hectic? Do you think we'll definitely get it, we might get it (if the team pick up some confidence), or it's simply not going to happen.
Bizarrely, I thought there was some progress in the first half before it all went to pot again in the second. United are a very confusing side to watch at the moment. You've hit a rut and it's come at the worst possible time with the sheer number of games on at the minute. You're in desperate need of an international break or something similar.
fair enough
The fact that we lost again when Moyes would have desperately wanted to win suggests that it's slightly more likely that something is urgently wrong with the set up, rather than it being the case that we're going through a temporary lull. The fact that it was the League Cup isn't significant, in my view.
We gave him a 6 year contract and made quite the song and dance about it. Have to give him the season at the least. If we don't sign anyone over the next month though, I'm not sure if much will change by then.
I don't think that we'll improve or finish fourth mate. I don't trust Moyes at all.
I also think though, that he should get a 'fair' chance. Not because he has done anything to deserve that - he has pretty much done the worst possible job since he came here - but because 1) the club decided to hire him, 2) I doubt that an another manager will improve things to save the season, 3) the club likely haven't been looking for a replacement so if we now do that on panic, likely it will be Curbishley or Fat Sam or another Premier League proven manager who will make things somehow even worse, 4) there is a slim - very slim - chance that maybe somehow things will get better.
Saying that, I wouldn't be sad if when I wake up in the morning, I read that Moyes has been sacked. Would be pretty happy if the replacement is Bielsa (likely the best unemployed manager at the moment) or Hiddink.
As of now, I hope that the club is active looking for solutions on the summer. Preferrably for foreign modern managers. Maybe better than way then panicking now.
That is basically still my view but the feckups in the summer were mainly Woodward's fault so I am half tempted to see who he may sign next summer. Only signings can get him out of this hole, the players here aren't going to do it.
We keep on conceding soft goals when seemingly on top, we've controlled most of the games we've played this season, yet it keeps happening. I have no idea why though, and Moyes doesn't seem to either, which isn't surprising, it seems like quite a hard thing to figure out.
I want Moyes to stay, I really do. But, if he continues as is, without any real leadership and hard motivation, while also an apparent lack of real football tactics(based on fluid team based football), I feel he'll have to go. After asking about the consequences of missing out on fourth, I feel it's clear to me now too. If we miss out on 4th, he's gone.
I'm more doubtful than I was a few weeks back for obvious reasons, but it's still too early to tell. We need to improve on a huge scale to get it and I'm not sure if Moyes will be able to turn around what is happening at the moment. We look so fragile.
This. CL earned us about £35m last season, group stage qualification this year earned £20m+, looking at that against our total revenue it's significant but not something that the club can't afford, revenue rose 40% year on year to Sept 2013. Loss of CL football would have an impact (more on signings), and certainly more so over a longer term, however I don't see it being the armageddon that some seem to think. The bigger issue I think is the level of investment in the squad, having underinvested relative to our peers for a significant period we need massive investment compared to our spending in recent years. Are the Glazers really up for a mega spending spree, and will they trust this manager to spend a lot if our poor performance continues?
£220m market devaluation under Moyes probably doesn't stand him in good stead with the Glazers.
I understand what you are saying with time and i don't actually have a problem with that or hiring a manager that hasn't won anything. What has done it for me is he has come here and made us play from slightly boring which was last season to Everton. To me i doesn't matter if he gets it right and has money to buy players we will always plan this way under him. No attractive football and no real plan of how to break a team down.
It's Arsenal syndrome of around 2011 time. Dominate entire games, lose 2-1 because you can't defend set-pieces/crosses into the box.
It strikes me that it's just a lack of concentration. Tonight, it was allowing a player a free run at the back post and then you got in all sorts of trouble. It's just a basic goal. That said, it probably should have been 1-1 because the Cleverley penalty was really very soft.
There's no way we should be looking at sacking him. If we are going to do that, then what the feck was the point in all the "stand by the manager" talk - we may as well have just acted like every other club and got Mourinho.
If we were any other club Moyes would have been sacked after the Newcastle game. Since then, he's left us 5 points off the top 4 and put us out a cup, and half way out another one. There's only so much more he can fail in.
Not neccesarily a bad thing (being like any other club). Also, most of the big clubs would have sacked him after the game vs Newcastle.
Agree with the main point though, he should be here at-least 'till May.
Exactly. Plus, and this is my own viewpoint, the only managers who you can say with certainty aren't or won't be good enough this early in their tenures aren't ones as good as Moyes. Not to even mention the fact he took over from Fergie after a 27 odd year stint.
The soft penalty is no excuse though, we didn't create a good opportunity from open play today despite having a lot of the ball, it was the same once we equalised against Swansea and bar a few games it's been the same all season. For all our possession we very rarely look like actually scoring, that's where it differs from you lot, even at your worst you always have a few goals in you against the lesser sides.
Yes, but aren't you excited to find out what?
Seriously though, I know he's doing shit, this isn't hard to spot. But there's no point giving it all the talk about doing things differently from Chelsea and City, and giving a manager time to build, if you don't go through with it. I'm sure we were all hoping we never had to find out how serious the talk was, but sadly we are finding out. Let's not show it all to be bullshit and posturing.
Was this a joke? I want to laugh but not to sure if i should.
No. we've made a decision, on a certain basis, and to change now makes a mockery of it, and leaves us in the same boat as the plastic sugar-daddy clubs.
He should be fired now. Cut your losses, I say. The longer we wait the harder we will suffer.
Chelsea & City are the only ones who change managers all the time?
News alert: Fan owned clubs like Real, Barca, Bayern & the likes do it too.
I've changed my mind a bit, I'd like to keep him and let him fecking obliterate this squad in the summer to make it his own. He deserves the right to give some of these clowns their marching orders. If next season is the same as this then he would have to be fired. Give him a shot at it though.
We've lost no ground on finishing top four in the last two games.
I know you made the point about the manner and progress, but still. Better to lose this first leg after a couple of defeats, shake things up generally and still recover the tie in the second leg. All if, of course.
Every club in the world do it. It's a results business, and this season we're not getting any. League champions to mid table is too big a drop. I don't think anybody expected it. Infact no, they didn't. Look at all the threads at the beginning of the season, and pretty much everyone thought we would be challenging again for the title, and at least finish in the top 4. Taking a championship winning side down this far is unacceptable.
The worrying thing about that is, those "clowns" are title winners under the previous manager.
The clowns on question have given us so many great moments, so many titles and so much glory. Moyes has given us so many bad moments, has breaken so many negative records and has transforrmed us from champions to a midtable club.
Sticking with manager is fine - especially when Sir Alex said so - but throwing under the bus the players who did all those good things for the club in order to give support to the manager - who at the moment has done so many bad decisions and only a few of right ones - isn't IMO.
I'm leaning to sack. It's not 'his' squad, but part of managing/leading is making the most of what you have at your disposal and that's just not happening at all. We look devoid of ideas of how to score and are pretty much relying on an 18yr old kid to do something.
Hate to say it, but when the fat waiter took over Chelsea, that was not HIS squad at all, and he delivered.
Meh. Mid-season sackings rarely produce good results unless there is a great replacement lined up.
Give him to the end of the season.
Give him to the end of the season.
Look at Chelsea's recent history:
Mourinho left, Grant took over - 2nd place and CL final
Scolari left, Hiddink took over - FA Cup
AVB left, Di Matteo took over - CL win
Di Matteo left, Benitez took over - Europa win
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