Lets not forget the 10 match goal drought he went through last season, even then we had other players stepping up.
Moyes: Stick or Sack?
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At this point in the season you have to stick. I'd give him another year and a half in charge and then ask the same question. He needs time as all managers do. The thing that would concern me if I was a United supporter is that I don't see a specific way youse are playing. People say his Everton played zombie football or whatever and at times they did, but for large parts of last season they were entertaining and you could see how they were set up. Moyes doesn't really seem to have that set up here. It'll be interesting to see where you finish and the pulling power that you have on players.
80% stick 20% sacked so far, it's a surprising but welcome result. Like many, I see top 4 as a must, failure and I don't think the board will trust him to continue. At the moment we still have a chance, albeit a slim one. If we can get RVP and Rooney playing together, Vidic back, and playing alongside Evans on a regular basis then we might have a chance.
If you look at our current situation from a neutral perspective it may not look as bad, Moyes has been extremely unlucky with injuries, add to that players getting themselves suspended at the worst possible time and you can see why results have been poor. With the exception off Evra I don't think one off our regular starting 11 have been injury free this season. It's also going to show the board that the team needs a big investment, something that we've all known for years.
Saying that, I don't think he's coped with the situation at all, the pressure is starting to show. No matter what happens he will still be held accountable for the type of football we are playing, and the poor results. Rightly so, it's his job at the end of the day.
I'm enjoying this season in an odd sort off way, in the past some results have been a guaranteed 3 points, now however, every game is a 'sit on the edge of your seat' type game. I wouldn't want it to continue to be fair, but I'll enjoy the tension while it lasts. It will make it all the sweeter the next time we win the league.
If you look at our current situation from a neutral perspective it may not look as bad, Moyes has been extremely unlucky with injuries, add to that players getting themselves suspended at the worst possible time and you can see why results have been poor. With the exception off Evra I don't think one off our regular starting 11 have been injury free this season. It's also going to show the board that the team needs a big investment, something that we've all known for years.
Saying that, I don't think he's coped with the situation at all, the pressure is starting to show. No matter what happens he will still be held accountable for the type of football we are playing, and the poor results. Rightly so, it's his job at the end of the day.
I'm enjoying this season in an odd sort off way, in the past some results have been a guaranteed 3 points, now however, every game is a 'sit on the edge of your seat' type game. I wouldn't want it to continue to be fair, but I'll enjoy the tension while it lasts. It will make it all the sweeter the next time we win the league.
Stick. He needs more time for us to be able to say that he's had a proper chance at making his mark. Not to mention that of course it's a tough act to follow Fergie.
That said, I can't believe how much he looked like a disillusioned fan on the bench against Swansea.
That said, I can't believe how much he looked like a disillusioned fan on the bench against Swansea.
People are saying top 4 is a must - I don't agree with this. We are up against 5-6 very strong sides, I am pretty certain the quality of the 7-8 best sides in the P.L has never been anywhere near where we are this season.
So I can't agree that we should demand a top 4 finish - but we can't be far away from Top 4. As I see it - with the start we have had, the problems we have had - Moyes will have done well in the 2nd half of the season if he takes up to Top 4
But regardless of our position - I demand improvement in the 2nd half of the season. And perhaps more than anything - I would demand action now or next summer. If we don't sign 2-3 quality players either now or next summer - Moyes needs to go. If we sign players who don't perform - Moyes needs to go. BUT - if we sign 3 quality players who do well - we will probably fight for the title again next season when you consider what we have already got.
So I can't agree that we should demand a top 4 finish - but we can't be far away from Top 4. As I see it - with the start we have had, the problems we have had - Moyes will have done well in the 2nd half of the season if he takes up to Top 4
But regardless of our position - I demand improvement in the 2nd half of the season. And perhaps more than anything - I would demand action now or next summer. If we don't sign 2-3 quality players either now or next summer - Moyes needs to go. If we sign players who don't perform - Moyes needs to go. BUT - if we sign 3 quality players who do well - we will probably fight for the title again next season when you consider what we have already got.
I wonder how many people who voted "stick" are in the CL qualification or out camp...
I have to admit that I am one of them.
You do know that moyes only played 19 games so far right?
Has he.
You can't really compare their number of games lost, it doesn't really mean anything. Sir Alex took over and the team was bottom of the league, Moyes took over and we were Champions. It means nothing if he has lost 2 less games.
This, some people are so desperate to find anything positive they come up with the most ludicrous excuses.
I dont think teams above us strengthen by a lot, arsenal got ozil for 40m, chelsea got roughlt the same squad bar mata not being chosen, liverpool bought no one expensive, city spurs and soton doesnt brokw the bank either. Cmiiw
Spurs did break the bank - they just broke even at the same time.
Not sure why I'm pointing this out, as they're just about as shit as we are... with the added bonus of having taken 4 points of us this season.
I guess you have to give him until the end of the season, but what happens if we lose tonight & at the weekend?
I think that's unlikely tonight, but not out of the question at the weekend.
I think that's unlikely tonight, but not out of the question at the weekend.
I don't know which way to go. Stick and allow him the season and the next window to shape the squad to his needs a bit more. Sack, and get someone in who will ensure we make UCL places because at this stage we don't look like we can make 4th and that's concerning. We need to make UCL at all costs because the reprecussions of not making it will be too big to recover from anytime soon. We will be in danger of losing both RVP and Rooney and we won't be able to sign those 'class' CMs we really want as they'd naturally want UCL football. I think we stick for now but if 5 league games from now we're even further back from making 4th he'd have to go IMO.
The poll results would change dramatically if the question was "Should Dave be sacked if United finish outside of the Top 4".
Stick now but sack if we lose out on top four
I don't think sacking him is the answer but I wouldn't be arsed if we did. He's been disasterous so far - can it get any worse? Hopefully not
I do fear that if we get to the final of the League Cup, cITY will embarrass us greatly
I do fear that if we get to the final of the League Cup, cITY will embarrass us greatly
To be fair to united ways, there's no shame in sacking him now. We have been more than persevering with him. He woukd have been sacked long ago at most other clubs.
If things are not getting better by end of season (i.e. Dour football, no sign of improvement, out of top 4) sacking him is a well deserved action.
It's not like we'll be sacking him because he fails to win the league, nobody expected that, but 6-7th position with manchester united is totally unacceptable whatever the excuses are.
It's wrong to sack a manager prematurely, but it's also stupid to persist with a bad manager based only on wishful thinking that he may come good given 5 years.
Here's a thought, if he may come good given 5 years, mourinho would have come god given 5 years in the samr vlub
If things are not getting better by end of season (i.e. Dour football, no sign of improvement, out of top 4) sacking him is a well deserved action.
It's not like we'll be sacking him because he fails to win the league, nobody expected that, but 6-7th position with manchester united is totally unacceptable whatever the excuses are.
It's wrong to sack a manager prematurely, but it's also stupid to persist with a bad manager based only on wishful thinking that he may come good given 5 years.
Here's a thought, if he may come good given 5 years, mourinho would have come god given 5 years in the samr vlub
6 months in? I disagree. Only Chelsea would sack a manager so fast, and they are universally regarded as muppets.
The way I see it at the moment is, it would be unfair to sack him now, but I wouldn't be surprised or upset if he was.
I say stick with him until the end of the season. If we don't make top four, and there are no signs that will get any better then look to replace him with the right manager, someone that they have been looking at from now not some kneejerk bullshit (as I'd rather stick with Moyes until then).
I don't expect much incoming transfer being finalized this window. But I sure do hope the club gets in agreement with target clubs for transfer in the next window. I guess that shouldn't be impossible and would also deflect any transfer madness again during the summer, specially with the world cup to complicate things. I hope Moyes identifies these players well in advance.
I'm the same as you.
I would be embarrassed™ if we fired Moyes after so few games. I mean, it's not as if we're losing 5-0 every match & are in relegation trouble.
Stick till the end of the season. If he doesn't get 4th, then sack.
I'm more worried about us giving him big transfer kitty, to be fair.
If this form continues until the end of the season, a new poll will yield drastically different results. A lot of people in this thread have said 'stick', with a finish outside the top 4 being what will tip it for them. I don't think anyone on here would stick with him for two or three years if he keeps getting dogshit results with his dogshit football the whole time.
Give him the summer transfer window, and then the first 6 months of the season. If we aren't anywhere near Top 3 in January he should be sacked.
A more interesting poll would be "Are you happy that David Moyes is Manchester United manager"...
Manager has teething issues in biggest job in footballing history shocker.
Give him time. I mean years.
Give him time. I mean years.
I'm far more interested in what he can do with proper, financial backing and time given to build his own squad. Does he want to build a tighter squad so that he has players he knows he trust and play frequently without rotating much, or, does he aim for a big squad with lots of rotation to cope with all the games in various competitions? This is so far still unclear.
I'm also interested in how he'll treat the academy. We have had a couple of hits and a couple of misses but overall our academy is strong and should be a vital asset to any manager managing this club, regardless of era and ambition.
With that said, I see no reason why we should lower our standards regarding where we aim to be as a top competitive football club. All of our financial projections points towards high ambitions on the field even though we had a nasty slip-up last transfer window, so I guess those are the guidelines for Moyes right now and it should be a part of any evaluation of his first season. Which it will be, no doubt.
It's not that simple, i think a CL spot is a must, having said that, if we finish the season on a high, playing well as a team but miss out on the CL spot, i'd give him another year, if we finish the season without any improvements then he must leave.
Years? If he shows he's worthy of years, then sure. Giving years just for the sake of it is pointless.
Stick until the end of the season. If we're out the top four then he can do one. There isn't a single argument to the contrary. Wankers can rewrite the realities and pretend that "the squad isn't good enough" but it is without any shadow of doubt good enough to make top four. It should be in the mix of a strong title challenge. We have some cracking players, most of which are decimated by an old-fashioned, gutless system and coaching that has seen our football more like Stoke than Spain.
He has 6 months. Sacking his inexperienced, unproven chums in favour of some modern, 'continental' coaches to help with the passing and moving in training would be his best bet to turn things around. This is what determines a team's success, not clichéd bullshit like 'attitude, effort and motivation'.
He has 6 months. Sacking his inexperienced, unproven chums in favour of some modern, 'continental' coaches to help with the passing and moving in training would be his best bet to turn things around. This is what determines a team's success, not clichéd bullshit like 'attitude, effort and motivation'.
I think what we are seeing is a little more than....ahem...."teething issues."
Agree with all of that.
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