Moyes: Stick or Sack?

Moyes: Stick or Sack?

  • Stick

    Votes: 251 73.6%

  • Sack

    Votes: 90 26.4%
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Would people who vote "sack" have patience enough to reserve their judgements until he gets a chance to build a team of his own? Can't be worse than what we are witnessing now and surely if you factor in the return of our key players together with new players there's something far more exciting on the horizon?

Edit: Sack, not stick.
 
Stick unless we have someone better lined up. If we could get Hiddink or Heynckes til the end of the season, it's a no brainer.

Some people seem to think trying to nab Laudrup or Pochettino and giving them a long term deal would be a good idea, it really doesn't appeal to me, personally.
 
Dominos said:
Stick unless we have someone better lined up. If we could get Hiddink or Heynckes til the end of the season, it's a no brainer.

Some people seem to think trying to nab Laudrup or Pochettino and giving them a long term deal would be a good idea, it really doesn't appeal to me, personally.
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No more of these please. Who is going to pinch them?
 
Knee jerk reaction after Spurs and especially after Swansea was to sack him.

However... I want him given more time. We've had a lot of injuries. How would have SAF coped with Carrick, RVP, and Rooney being out at the same time? Also, we lost all games (bar City) by one goal. Which makes me think we are not that far off - just need to get our confidence back.

If we had these results with our first 11, then there wouldn't be any doubt for me. For now, I say let's see if he can turn it around.
 
Stick until the end of the season, and if he fails to get the top 4, he should be sacked.

If he were to be sacked tomorrow though, I wouldn't shed a tear (though obviously he won't be going anywhere).
 
I think we probably have to give him a couple of seasons to see what David Moyes' Manchester United looks like. I haven't much faith that I'm going to like David Moyes' United and, truthfully, I wouldn't be particularly fussed to wake up to the news he'd been sacked but I'd ideally give him that time to see if he does develop into the job and then make a more rational decision on whether to continue with him or to look elsewhere.
 
I love a good poll I do! I don't want us to sack our manager after six months of inheriting a side on the slide!! Champions or not last term! Let him have a real crack and bring in the players he needs.I am fully behind him! 78.2 % in favour of sticking!
 
Just needs to remember he's the boss, the leader of our football club. Get your shit together David- you can do it.
 
I dont rate Moyes and never wanted him but Fergie chose him so he should at least be given a season before we can judge

we are still in the CL, top4 is within reach and hopefully we should make Wembley for the league cup - so all is not lost just yet
 
Stick.He has to have the chance to mould his own team. At the end of this season he'll have the opportunity to change the squad to the way he wants it, summer 2015 is the time to judge whether he's on the right track.
 
Daily beatings with a Stick for Moyes until he gets his shit together and secures us a CL place.
 
Stick with him until the summer, at least. If we get top four then he's met the minimum expectations and should be fully backed for another season.

Sack him if we do not get into the top four and/or our awful home form continues(we won't be in the top four if it does).

Personally I could not trust such an inexperienced manager to rebuild this side if they took a title winning side outside of the top four and also took the side with one of the best home records last year to a ground where anyone half decent could get a result. You would be sacked in any other form of employment for such piss poor performance and this should be no different.
 
Give him a season to get top 4 and then give him a season to rectify the problem, if we don't make the top 4.

If we're not in the top 4 after the second year then serious questions need to be asked.
 
I am still not convince how Moyes can turn around our team even if he is given the summer to bring in the players he wants. And we shouldn't go beyond next season if he is still not able to bring in the results.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Stick until the end of the season, and if he fails to get the top 4, he should be sacked.

If he were to be sacked tomorrow though, I wouldn't shed a tear (though obviously he won't be going anywhere).
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Exactly my thoughts at the moment.
 
I think Sir Alex chose Moyes because he proved he could keep a team in the upper half of the table on a small budget, yes I believe that is what we are seeing as a lot of the club money is being syphnoed off to pay debt and certain other things. The money the club earns is not ending up on the pitch as it used to. So I blame the Glazers for the current situation. Granted Moyes does look clueless and probably is, but I see him as the fall guy in this situation. When one of the most valuable clubs in the world is reduced to looking for bargain basement deals then the person in control of the purse strings is to blame more than anyone. City are getting a money injection, United are getting sucked dry.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Irrelevant as only Moyes inherited such a squad.
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Okay, but then balance out the fact he's inheriting a good squad with the fact he's following in the footsteps of arguably the greatest ever manage in history.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Irrelevant as only Moyes inherited such a squad.
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Are you serious? Lets be honest here, SAF left behind a very problematic squad. Wingers all wildly out of form, midfield non existent, aging defence and overall, compared to the likes of Chelsea, City, Spuds and Arsenal not much real talent in the rest of the squad.

We have Rooney, RVP, De Gea, Evans, Carrick, Rafael, Jones and Vidic who are still at their best, when fit. The rest are either out of form, getting too old or simply not good enough.

RVP was the difference for us last season, don't forget that.
 
The Don said:
Games lost by Man United managers in their first 31 games in charge:

Moyes: 7
Ferguson: 9
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More pointless stats, Ferguson didn't inherit a title-winning team when he got the job in 1986, when he took over we hadn't won a title in 19 years. Moyes took over a team that has won it five times in the past 10.
 
We were unlucky in the fact that the people who took over United are mainly interested in profit. The guy who took over Chelsea was interested in winning the champions league, the people who took over City are interested in having a great football team and winning the champions league( which I hope they never do). The Glazers see United as a cash cow, and that is their main aim. I hope they realise that if the club is not successful then the cash cow looses its tits so no more milk.
 
The Don said:
Are you serious? Lets be honest here, SAF left behind a very problematic squad. Wingers all wildly out of form, midfield non existent, aging defence and overall, compared to the likes of Chelsea, City, Spuds and Arsenal not much real talent in the rest of the squad.

We have Rooney, RVP, De Gea, Evans, Carrick, Rafael, Jones and Vidic who are still at their best, when fit. The rest are either out of form, getting too old or simply not good enough.

RVP was the difference for us last season, don't forget that.
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His goals dug us out of a lot of holes, but the service was also a lot better last season. There were few times when I didn't believe that we could create something in the final third. This season, we look absolutely clueless as an attacking force, even when RVP wasn't injured.
 
Shark22 said:
His goals dug us out of a lot of holes, but the service was also a lot better last season. There were few times when I didn't believe that we could create something in the final third. This season, we look absolutely clueless as an attacking force, even when RVP wasn't injured.
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RVP would have had a field day with the chances Hernandez had on Sunday.
 
The Don said:
See the post above yours.
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I did, the problematic squad you're talking about won it comfortably last year, played better than Mourinho's Madrid over both matches, has added a 27m pound midfielder of Moye's choice, plus Januzaj and a reborn Rooney yet has managed to brake one negative record after the other so far. That's why the stats you posted are pointless.
 
Im red2 said:
We were unlucky in the fact that the people who took over United are mainly interested in profit. The guy who took over Chelsea was interested in winning the champions league, the people who took over City are interested in having a great football team and winning the champions league( which I hope they never do). The Glazers see United as a cash cow, and that is their main aim. I hope they realise that if the club is not successful then the cash cow looses its tits so no more milk.
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Jesus fecking Christ. No, they don't realise that. They haven't a clue what they're doing. Self made billionaires with no clue about business.
 
The Don said:
Are you serious? Lets be honest here, SAF left behind a very problematic squad. Wingers all wildly out of form, midfield non existent, aging defence and overall, compared to the likes of Chelsea, City, Spuds and Arsenal not much real talent in the rest of the squad.

We have Rooney, RVP, De Gea, Evans, Carrick, Rafael, Jones and Vidic who are still at their best, when fit. The rest are either out of form, getting too old or simply not good enough.

RVP was the difference for us last season, don't forget that.
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Moyes should have not lost the amount of games he has with the squad at his disposal. Especially the home games.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
I did, the problematic squad you're talking about won it comfortably last year, played better than Mourinho's Madrid over both matches, has added a 27m pound midfielder of Moye's choice, plus Janujaz and a reborn Rooney yet has managed to brake one negative record after the other so far. That's why the stats you posted are pointless.
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RVP won us the title last season.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Moyes should have not lost the amount of games he has with the squad at his disposal. Especially the home games.
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No. I'm not saying the results have been good, just pointing out that even the greats had a tough start to life at Old Trafford. It isn't his squad. It needs improving and he needs time, financial backing and fan support to do that.
 
Not sure amount of time he needs to be given - maybe at least 2 seasons without the excuses of "Remember I came in July and so didn't get a chance to really put my stamp on the team" and such. I'd say at least 2 full seasons. If in that time we are not seeing him get the best out of the team, then sack makes sense.

There is a lot of whining about mediocre players, players not good enough to pull on a United shirt but, a lot of these players have been the best in their position at various times and for good reason. It's up to the manager to get the best out of them with a clear purpose. We certainly don't get the impression of that on the field right now of his vision of how we should play. What we see a lot of is well this is how United have played in the past, get the ball out wide because that's worked well with the same squad we've had. Maybe that is Moyes vision but, he needs time to get the players playing well that way or get players in that will perform and that will take time. If he has another vision with the thought of stick to the old because that should get us through the transition, he needs to have a rethink because that isn't working and at the very least start working on his ideas sooner rather than later.
 
Joemo said:
Okay, but then balance out the fact he's inheriting a good squad with the fact he's following in the footsteps of arguably the greatest ever manage in history.
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He's not competing against SAF though..

I'd say stick with him for now, but if we fail to make the champions league next season then sack in the Summer. There is no excuse for failing to make the top 4 with our current squad, even if we excuse him for the Summer theatrics..

If we finish 3rd or even 4th, then we can at least say he has something to build on. If he fails to finish 4th or better then his reputation will be ruined, and together with a champions league no-show it would make it incredibly hard for us to attract good players in the Summer. He needs to get his act together and at least salvage CL qualification in the coming months. It's not easy to buy in January, but it's still there for him to use if he thinks it's necessary.

We definitely want to give a manager enough time to prove himself, but we should also take a page from Liverpool's book with Benitez. We're not building from bottom up. He shouldn't expect unconditional long-term support if he fails to meet the absolute minimum expectations after a full year, including two transfer windows, having inherited a squad that won the league a few months ago.
 
The Don said:
RVP won us the title last season.
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Jesus Christ give it up will you? The absence of RVP does not justify our state, we have gone from 11 point ahead champions to 11 points behind losing at home to the likes of Everton and Swansea braking 20 year old records. We have added to last years team, Rooney, Adnan and a 27m pound midfielder Moyes chose, give it up with the RVP excuse.
 
:lol: Squads to blame huh? I'm sure last season we were all congratulating ourselves on having such a fine squad. People are going to extremes here, we have a top 4 squad easily. Does it have its faults? Yes it does, but does those faults warrant the squad to be outside of the Top 4? No. Sir Alex got us the title last season due to his experience, knowledge and sheer tenacity. Dave has struggled big time, but it's far too easy to point the finger at the squad. Not buying it at all The Don :nono:
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Jesus Christ give it up will you? The absence of RVP does not justify our state, we have gone from 11 point ahead champions to 11 points behind losing at home to the likes of Everton and Swansea braking 20 year old records. We have added to last years team Rooney Adnan and a 27m pound midfielder Moyes chose, give it up with the RVP excuse.
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Rooney was there last season, So was Januzaj, in fact I'd credit Moyes for developing him into a brilliant first teamer this season. RVP was the difference last season and only a clown would dispute that. The fact that Moyes has been without RVP, who was so influential last season is a perfectly good excuse as far as I'm concerned. Yes, he should be doing much better but he has been unlucky with injuries. Weren't we doing okay at the start of the season when RVP was fit? Proof enough for me.
 
RedSky At Night said:
:lol: Squads to blame huh? I'm sure last season we were all congratulating ourselves on having such a fine squad. People are going to extremes here, we have a top 4 squad easily. Does it have its faults? Yes it does, but does those faults warrant the squad to be outside of the Top 4? No. Sir Alex got us the title last season due to his experience, knowledge and sheer tenacity. Dave has struggled big time, but it's far too easy to point the finger at the squad. Not buying it at all The Don :nono:
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Bollocks, most of us were stunned that we won the league at such a canter, with that squad. People, you included have been screaming for ages now that our squad is crap and our midfiled was shite. Make up your mind.
 
I think Moyes should get the entire season before he's fully evaluated. If we finish anything below 4th, I think it will be time to look at other options - managers with proper CVs of having won things with big clubs.
 
The Don said:
Rooney was there last season, So was Januzaj, in fact I'd credit Moyes for developing him into a brilliant first teamer this season. RVP was the difference last season and only a clown would dispute that. The fact that Moyes has been without RVP, who was so influential last season is a perfectly good excuse as far as I'm concerned. Yes, he should be doing much better but he has been unlucky with injuries. Weren't we doing okay at the start of the season when RVP was fit? Proof enough for me.
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Rio-Vidic were once the reason why we won the league..

Ronaldo was once the reason why we won the league..

... you know the drill.

I still fail to find the year where we finished 5th in the last 20 years when all those reasons stopped existing.
 
The Don said:
Bollocks, most of us were stunned that we won the league at such a canter, with that squad. People, you included have been screaming for ages now that our squad is crap and our midfiled was shite. Make up your mind.
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I've never said our squads crap. Far from it, I think our squad is excellent with a wealth of young talent. What we lack though are central midfielders. Our attack and defence don't really need any additions (except for replacing Evra which was a given anyway considering his age).

Why do you think I keep banging on about signing Rakitic :lol:
 
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