Moyes: Stick or Sack?

Moyes: Stick or Sack?

  • Stick

    Votes: 251 73.6%

  • Sack

    Votes: 90 26.4%
  • Total voters
    341
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Cal? said:
I doubt taking the champions to 5th or worse was what they had in mind.

We haven't finished below 3rd in over 2 DECADES!!!
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We don't know what is being said behind closed doors. For all we know he could be meeting his targets.

I did a search on their NFL team and it seems like they're not afraid of sacking managers, the last one got sacked after two poor seasons. I am just hoping they use the approach with United.
 
marjen said:
Sorry, what I meant was:

Completed: Capital One Cup
Failed: FA Cup (miserably)
Certain to fail: League (miserably)
Good chance of completion: Champions League

All this while showing no signs of knowing how to get us playing good football.

Grounds for a sacking if things stay the way they are until the summer IMO.
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I'd sack him now if I'm in charge, but as it is, I think he'd get till the summer and CL qualification is the key.

:lol: I thought you just called the CL "the least meaningful competition."
 
Cal? said:
We finished 17 points head of 5th last season, that's 5 defeats and 1 draw.
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I'm aware of this. The board is too, I'd imagine. We'll see how much difference they think losing SAF should plausibly make. That's what this is mainly about. He's in every pore of the organization. Losing him overnight was always going to be felt - and I think many fans underestimate how badly it will be felt. What Fergie did last season, under entirely different circumstances, isn't all that relevant when we're assessing Moyes. This "but we won the league at a canter!" argument only goes so far. There are multiple holes in it.
 
Stick.Give him next season.He as a huge job to do in the Summer that will either make or break him.
 
marjen said:
Sorry, what I meant was:

Completed: Capital One Cup
Failed: FA Cup (miserably)
Certain to fail: League (miserably)
Good chance of completion: Champions League

All this while showing no signs of knowing how to get us playing good football.

Grounds for a sacking if things stay the way they are until the summer IMO.
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I think we have an excellent chance of being knocked out by Olympiacos.

It's a very worrying time.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I'm aware of this. The board is too, I'd imagine. We'll see how much difference they think losing SAF should plausibly make. That's what this is mainly about. He's in every pore of the organization. Losing him overnight was always going to be felt - and I think many fans underestimate how badly it will be felt. What Fergie did last season, under entirely different circumstances, isn't all that relevant when we're assessing Moyes. This "but we won the league at a canter!" argument only goes so far. There are multiple holes in it.
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We're feeling it badly mainly due to the incompetence of our current manager, does anyone for a minute think Mourinho wouldn't be doing a better job?
 
johnmufc said:
I think we have an excellent chance of being knocked out by Olympiacos.

It's a very worrying time.
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Yeah they will knock us out... but even then and after losing to Chelsea and possibly already having drawn to Swansea will just about managing to beat Sunderland... The Cafe will still say lets wait and see if we qualify for the Champions League and give him another Transfer window to get it right as surely it can't get worse than last summer and this January.
 
Cal? said:
We're feeling it badly mainly due to the incompetence of our current manager, does anyone for a minute think Mourinho wouldn't be doing a better job?
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Good question and would our aims for the season have been so low. I really doubt we would be sitting mid table and players like Cleverley looking confused with what there job is.
 
Mainoldo said:
Yeah they will knock us out... but even then and after losing to Chelsea and possibly already having drawn to Swansea will just about managing to beat Sunderland... The Cafe will still say lets wait and see if we qualify for the Champions League and give him another Transfer window to get it right as surely it can't get worse than last summer and this January.
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Blind faith... :(
 
Mainoldo said:
Good question and would our aims for the season have been so low. I really doubt we would be sitting mid table and players like Cleverley looking confused with what there job is.
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Like I said in the Sir Alex retirement thread, with Sir Alex, we'd be expecting a title win this season and a real go at the CL. If Mourinho was appointed, the aim would be pretty much the same. With Moyes, at that time I expected a 3rd place finish, now it looks even 4th is unlikely. :(
 
I voted sack, but to be honest I wouldn't do it right now because it would be pointless if only for the lack of longish term options. I would, however, be looking around for summer options with a serious view to doing that at the end of the season.
 
Stick obviously. This season has to be seen through, sacking him now is ludicrous after giving the man a 6 year contract (which seemed misguided at the time and even more so now.) Basically if the Glazers don't trust him come the end of the season they need to break the bank for someone with a proven track record, with charisma and confidence, and new ideas. There won't be many candidates but Klopp must be approached at least.

If United end up as they are now and trophyless then I'm sorry but he must go in my opinion, even after one season. The club cannot afford to allow a malaise to settle, as it becomes harder to rectify the longer it continues. Plus it also makes it harder to acquire the top drawer coach/manager who must succeed Moyes.
 
Stick I suppose. Although I don't trust him to build our squad though if Fellaini is the quality of player he thinks we should be signing and for the price we paid. I think wheels are in motion now and sack or sticking with him we'll be missing out on the Champions League and losing a few of our best players, so might as well just give him a second season and see what happens.
 
I voted Stick.

Much depends on how we see out the remainder of this season and what transfer activity there is prior to the World Cup commencing, if we reach the CL and we don't bungle needed purchases then Moyes probably gets the entirety of 14/15. Alternatively if we finish fifth and are a bit scatterbrained in the summer i can envisage the pressure becoming too much before January 2015 [which assumes that he remained in post].
 
I voted Stick but maintain that the players are the main problem. For example, look how easily Fellaini dominated us last season...yet he's underwhelming for us; this alone shows how much the squad needs sorting out (to put it kindly).
 
Sixpence said:
Give him the whole season, if we don't get 4th then I say sack.
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This. I want Moyes to be here for the long term and I want him to prove all his doubters wrong. His squad this season was a way off winning the title, but still nowhere near bad enough to be finishing outside the top 4.
 
Get rid. The football is awful and so are the results and there is no sign of things getting any better. Nevermind the six year contract and this romantic notion of "The United Way" It was a mistake to appoint him and it should be rectified as soon as possible. Sense over sentiment.

As for who to replace him? Haven't a clue who we'd bring in but Moyes isn't the answer. Try to get Meulensteen until the end of the season maybe, he seemed to be respected by the players and was a coach here during one our most successful periods.
 
hp88 said:
We were talking about this in one of the threads last night, when you consider the length of the contract I would say the Glazers are no rush to sack him and believe in the long term plan.
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do you think the club would include clauses to his contract?
 
hp88 said:
We don't know what is being said behind closed doors. For all we know he could be meeting his targets.

I did a search on their NFL team and it seems like they're not afraid of sacking managers, the last one got sacked after two poor seasons. I am just hoping they use the approach with United.
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:lol: do you know how shit their NFL team is?
 
Would people be any more willing to persist with Moyes if the club introduced a DoF [or just plain Director of Recruitment for transfers]?
 
hp88 said:
We don't know what is being said behind closed doors. For all we know he could be meeting his targets.

I did a search on their NFL team and it seems like they're not afraid of sacking managers, the last one got sacked after two poor seasons. I am just hoping they use the approach with United.
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What targets are those?
 
Shane88 said:
Get rid. The football is awful and so are the results and there is no sign of things getting any better. Nevermind the six year contract and this romantic notion of "The United Way" It was a mistake to appoint and it should be rectified as soon as possible. Sense over sentiment.

As for who to replace him? Haven't a clue who we'd bring in but Moyes isn't the answer. Try to get Meulensteen until the end of the season maybe, he seemed to be respected by the players and was a coach here during one our most successful periods.
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The guy who took over Fulham like one month ago? Yeah, that wouldn't even work on Championship Manager 01/02.

I'd say stick with him, there's no one to take over the ropes anyway, hopefully he'll splash some cash around and get a few fresh faces in before the end of the month. It would surprise me if the club isn't ready to spend like maniacs right away, or at least as soon as the season is over. Money talks even if we fail to get the CL spot. In my opinion Moyes has taken over a lot of problems which has been building up for a long time, it needs time to be sorted, like Liverpool when Rodgers took over. Not that I defend the miserable transfer window last summer, and maybe the fact that he didn't keep any of the backroom staff and brought in Phil Neville.
 
Livewire1974 said:
If we were Chel$ki he would have been fired today. We are not Chel$ki, thankfully.
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Why? Because we persist with a failing manager to the point of compromising the future of the club? How is that commendable?

I'm with Chelsea and City. If it's broke - fix it. That policy hasn't hindered their meteoric rise in world football.
 
Will Absolute said:
Why? Because we persist with a failing manager to the point of compromising the future of the club? How is that commendable?

I'm with Chelsea and City. If it's broke - fix it. That policy hasn't hindered their meteoric rise in world football.
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This, so many people seem to have this fantasy that every manager gets thing right eventually if given time.
 
jojojo said:
I'd give him until this time next season.

The difficult thing is that, right now, I wouldn't let him control the summer signings.
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The problem with this is that if he keeps this up until this time next season, are we going to fire a manager mid-season? That can cause much more instability than hiring one in the summer.

I say give him until the summer and if we don't make top 4, sack him. You can't take a squad that won the league by +11 points and make them finish out of the top 4 (much less languishing around 7th).
 
Chelsea could probably have bought Gareth Bale three times with all the severance packages they've paid out to managers and their staff over the years. Conversely it was reported that getting Jose would have cost 30m+ in compensation alone.
 
Shane88 said:
Get rid. The football is awful and so are the results and there is no sign of things getting any better. Nevermind the six year contract and this romantic notion of "The United Way" It was a mistake to appoint him and it should be rectified as soon as possible. Sense over sentiment.

As for who to replace him? Haven't a clue who we'd bring in but Moyes isn't the answer. Try to get Meulensteen until the end of the season maybe, he seemed to be respected by the players and was a coach here during one our most successful periods.
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Because he is doing such a good job at Fulham?

Stick, this is still fergies side. Two more windows to make the side his own then judge
 
Get rid as soon as someone better becomes available. That may be until the end of the season but the sooner we accept we screwed up the better we'll be. If we'd been playing some nice football I'd be all for giving him a chance but it's been worse than dross. Even if he does improve and gets us in the top 4 next year he still won't ever be good enough for a club of our size and ambition.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Chelsea could probably have bought Gareth Bale three times with all the severance packages they've paid out to managers and their staff over the years. Conversely it was reported that getting Jose would have cost 30m+ in compensation alone.
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Yep, they paid 300m for managers. And Mourinho who was sacked from Madrid cost 30m.

Doesn't make sense to be fair. Don't believe all the reports.
 
hp88 said:
Liverpool held onto Rodgers and it seems to have worked out well for them, I am sure scousers must have been calling for his head last season.
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People had doubts, but no one was calling for his head after a few months. Only with Hodgson was that the case.
 
Garethw said:
Or Spurs, or City or Liverpool.
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The only manager we have sacked midseason recently is Hodgson. Even then it was far too late, he should have been sacked after his first press conference.

City have been fairly patient too.
 
hp88 said:
Liverpool held onto Rodgers and it seems to have worked out well for them, I am sure scousers must have been calling for his head last season.
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What a bizarre comparison. He took over an 8th placed team, he moved them up a position with a better points tally, was in the midst of getting rid of the players clearly not suited to his methods and getting them to play with more style. The expectations, standards and targets in the 2 jobs are completely different.
 
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