Nah, they were in a different position. They'd been shite under Dalglish, Rodgers showed obvious signs of progression.
Moyes: Stick or Sack?
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Nah, they were in a different position. They'd been shite under Dalglish, Rodgers showed obvious signs of progression.
Sack for me. Forget about signings.
The football we play is terrible. There is no imagination to our play. If there were even signs that we were changing that then I would say keep him. Too many teams have come to Old Trafford without playing well and winning.
The football we play is terrible. There is no imagination to our play. If there were even signs that we were changing that then I would say keep him. Too many teams have come to Old Trafford without playing well and winning.
Rodgers took over a team that finished 7th and changed their style of play.
Moyes has taken over a team that finished 1st and has done nothing to suggest we changing our style.
No, I think it's a good thing right now. Sacking Moyes and bringing in a new manager right at this moment would cause more upset and we'd probably crash even further. As others have said, give him another transfer market and lets see how he does there. If things are like this half way into next season though, I'd say sack him.
Sack, the earlier you correct mistakes the better.
We can't afford to do that.
Simply if he can't get us into the champions league then he should be sacked. Do fans want us to turn into Liverpool? There is sticking by a manager and then blind loyalty. The squad he got was more than capable of finishing 4th. He can't seem to get the best out of that.
Get Hiddink or Heynckes in, make a couple of panic buys and hopefully make 4th.
Stick for the remaining of the season. If we don't get the fourth place or we don't improve considerably on our general play (meaning we just miss for the fourth place) then sack on the summer.
He'll certainly be getting that off you!
Whatever the thoughts of those on the Caf, I bet the word 'dismissal' hasn't even been mentioned at OT (or head office in London).
He isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. We need to get on with getting behind him and forget talk of replacements.
He isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. We need to get on with getting behind him and forget talk of replacements.
I do wonder how bad it has to get before the board begin to think about sacking him. Surely some of the board members and the Glazer's are unconvinced.
I would be prepared to let him continue until the end of the season. If we fail to finish in the top four, then let him go.
However, it's becoming extremely difficult to justify even this small amount of faith and patience, because Moyes has not earned it. Teams are beating us with ease at Old Trafford, the players seem to have lost faith in him and are playing without confidence, belief, or seemingly any tactical fluency or organisation. It's just a complete shambles. I'm sorry, but Moyes is a charlatan. He's just completely out of his depth at this football club.
However, it's becoming extremely difficult to justify even this small amount of faith and patience, because Moyes has not earned it. Teams are beating us with ease at Old Trafford, the players seem to have lost faith in him and are playing without confidence, belief, or seemingly any tactical fluency or organisation. It's just a complete shambles. I'm sorry, but Moyes is a charlatan. He's just completely out of his depth at this football club.
I'd give him until this time next season.
The difficult thing is that, right now, I wouldn't let him control the summer signings.
The difficult thing is that, right now, I wouldn't let him control the summer signings.
Hiring a director of football would only make it worse.
If Fergie wasn't around then he would be sacked. That's the only reason I see Glazers giving him this much time.
How? You mean we'd get fewer points?
Stick for the remainder of the season. It was meant in jest but I can't add smileys.
It wouldn't help having someone buy in players that Moyes wouldn't know how to utilise. Tottenham made a balls of it this season.
Oh feck, still making mistakes on English.
I meant don't sack him until the summer and then act based on results/performances.
We were talking about this in one of the threads last night, when you consider the length of the contract I would say the Glazers are no rush to sack him and believe in the long term plan.
I'm still waiting to see him utilise a player he's managed for years.
How can our players go from being semi decent to having no imagination? If this is the fault of Moyes, then he is one very powerful human being.
I doubt they'd be stupid enough to give him a 6yr contract with no performance related clause.
Sacking him now would be insane, obviously. It's not going to happen either. He will get the season and the summer window, that seems clear as day. The board may have an entirely different perspective on this than many of our fans. We may miss out on 4th, yes. It's a strong league - very competitive at the moment. And we have put ourselves in a tricky spot going into the second half of the season. But what's done is done. If Moyes can get us into some kind of shape, and get us playing some half decent football again, I'm not all that fussed about 4th. In theory we could finish the season on a high note and still miss out - it could be an extremely tight race.
Many of us seem to regard our current position as shockingly bad - I'm not buying that, not fully. It could've been better, by all means, but what that mainly means is that we could have picked up more points while he came to grips with the situation. Remove a couple of injuries from the equation, add a little bit of flow, and we're at the very least past Liverpool. The main features of the season were more or less inevitable, though. The impact of losing Fergie was always going to be greater than most had anticipated (both us fans and the players). It would be a rough ride - and it has been. Perhaps a little rougher in terms of league position than I had thought, but that's at least partly a matter of coincidence. He must struggle - and then he must, gradually, begin to steady the ship. That's what the season is about. If it means losing out on CL football next season, so be it. It's not the end of the world.
Next season is an entirely different proposition. Another fiasco of a transfer window - given what we clearly lack at the moment in terms of players - is unacceptable. That will be the first real test for me - that window.
Many of us seem to regard our current position as shockingly bad - I'm not buying that, not fully. It could've been better, by all means, but what that mainly means is that we could have picked up more points while he came to grips with the situation. Remove a couple of injuries from the equation, add a little bit of flow, and we're at the very least past Liverpool. The main features of the season were more or less inevitable, though. The impact of losing Fergie was always going to be greater than most had anticipated (both us fans and the players). It would be a rough ride - and it has been. Perhaps a little rougher in terms of league position than I had thought, but that's at least partly a matter of coincidence. He must struggle - and then he must, gradually, begin to steady the ship. That's what the season is about. If it means losing out on CL football next season, so be it. It's not the end of the world.
Next season is an entirely different proposition. Another fiasco of a transfer window - given what we clearly lack at the moment in terms of players - is unacceptable. That will be the first real test for me - that window.
Who implements the system and style of play? The manager or players.
It's Moyes job. His fault if we look lost for ideas.
How is that clear as day?United, in their annual report, has a clear stated target of finishing in the top 3 of the Premier League, if he fails to achieve that by some margin, why should he get more time?
I wouldn't say it's a write off. We still have quite a few targets to hit. Winning a trophy wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, plus making 4th, while a fecking tragedy considering what happened last season, would be acceptable considering where we are at the moment and going as far as we can in the Champions League would do the team confidence no harm whatsoever. The question is, is he able to get them up for it?
He will have some sort target, but no one really knows what they're expecting from Moyes. There was something in the quarterly results about us finishing third but that's just a forecast.
I want to know when the 'Moyes Sack Watch' thread will be going up.
I doubt taking the champions to 5th or worse was what they had in mind.
We haven't finished below 3rd in over 2 DECADES!!!
The official expectations were finish third and get to the quarter finals in the Champions League and the domestic cups.
One completed, one failed, one absolutely certain to fail and the last achieved in the least meaningful competition.
give him until the end of next season and judge him then
United, in their annual report, has a clear stated target of finishing in the top 3 of the Premier League, if he fails to achieve that by some margin, why should he get more time?
Because it would be immensely short sighted to sack him under these circumstances: Top three? We could witness an end to this season in which Moyes actually turns this around, gets them to perform well on a regular basis, finishing on a high note - and still end up 5th. The makeup of this league is not what it used to be. It could be a dogfight for 4th involving teams that have had much better seasons than most expected.
What you cite is a target, it's not an absolute standard that must be adhered to. The board went for the long-term option. It would be extremely surprising if they suddenly made a u-turn and decided that it's imperative to finish in the top four regardless of the circumstances. Their idea - I think - was to hire someone who would gradually come to terms with the job, which is a huge one, far bigger than many seem to think. They must have been prepared for a bumpy ride to begin with - if not they were incredibly naive. They're not idiots - sooner rather than later they will demand results, first rate ones too. But "sooner" isn't after his first season in charge, when it's evident he has a rebuilding job to do which will demand several transfers and a clear-out.
Completed: Capital One Cup SF
Failed: FA Cup QF
Certain to fail: 3rd
I don't get the last part...
What if the players are not doing what they are told? What if some of the players are simply not good enough and SAF performed a miracle last season? SAF handpicked Moyes, would he have handpicked him if Moyes had been telling him "Hey Alex, I love playing a boring, shite style of football?".
I think its pretty clear that a few players miss SAF, he was their leader. They dont respect Moyes and are not pulling their weight. This is Moyes's team, its still SAF's.
Sorry, what I meant was:
Completed: Capital One Cup
Failed: FA Cup (miserably)
Certain to fail: League (miserably)
Good chance of completion: Champions League
All this while showing no signs of knowing how to get us playing good football.
Grounds for a sacking if things stay the way they are until the summer IMO.
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