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did people enjoy Pep's football or the magic Xavi-Iniesta-Messi created?
because as we've seen with Spain, if you remove Messi from the equation tikki-takka is incredibly dull to watch as they retain and recycle possession endlessly.
Bayern were not at all fun to watch for the majority of their games.
If you lot haven't noticed, we have not a single player anywhere near close to prime Xavi-Iniesta-Messi.
because as we've seen with Spain, if you remove Messi from the equation tikki-takka is incredibly dull to watch as they retain and recycle possession endlessly.
Bayern were not at all fun to watch for the majority of their games.
If you lot haven't noticed, we have not a single player anywhere near close to prime Xavi-Iniesta-Messi.
Really hope he signs more than 3 years. Genuinely believe that Mourinho will be here for a good 6/7 years at least with us if it all goes well.
Disagree tbh, they were not great to watch in some games, but the majority they have been a very good watch
Yeah I've enjoyed watching them most of the time too. The only thing that makes them boring is the fact that you know they're going to win most of the time.
I don't particularly like Peps football. But it's very effective. It's possession with lots of movement up front when it's time to attack. But I prefer Jose's counter attacking real Madrid team better than Pep's barca.
I don't get that old myth that Mourinho is always about boring football.
His teams were rarely outscored in the league, set La Liga goal scoring record and last year before Jan his team was playing pretty good football with some impressive wins.
He's not an overtly attacking manager by any stretch of the imagination either.
He's far more likely to sit on a draw than go for the juggluar in the last 10mins as Sir Alex used to for example, he's cautious.
Nevilles word, pragmatic, describing Chelseas football under him is about right.
Sure he is, but he can adapt as shown at Madrid and let's not forget that Fergie also made much more pragmatic approach in his tactics in the 00's compared to the 90's before that. There's nothing wrong in being pragmatic and getting results.
We have seen this from United sides under Fergie as well.
Ferguson is one of the most brilliantly pragmatic managers of all time.
Mourinho 's 0-0 or 1-0 tactics won him a lot of big games until 2010, but since then and especially since returning to Chelsea his risk averse tactics and nature have cost him more big games than actually won him.
0-0 away at Atletico and then starting 6 defenders at home and still ending up conceding 3 goals to the best defensive (not even attacking) team in Europe. Or the dull PSG game when PSG played with 10 men for almost the entire game. Or even conceding the equalizer in the league against 10 men City instead of killing the game by going for the 2-0.
Especially after the PSG game in 2013/14 even Chelsea fans admitted it was bad witnissing such an underdog performance from Chelsea at the bridge against 10 men.
My biggest expectation of him at United is definitely giving up some cowardice like this.
0-0 away at Atletico and then starting 6 defenders at home and still ending up conceding 3 goals to the best defensive (not even attacking) team in Europe. Or the dull PSG game when PSG played with 10 men for almost the entire game. Or even conceding the equalizer in the league against 10 men City instead of killing the game by going for the 2-0.
Especially after the PSG game in 2013/14 even Chelsea fans admitted it was bad witnissing such an underdog performance from Chelsea at the bridge against 10 men.
My biggest expectation of him at United is definitely giving up some cowardice like this.
Sir Alex is a unique case I feel, he started going defensive only after 2003 when we kept being knocked out of the Champions League around the time, And yea he would often try to curb himself by playing more defensively, particuarly under Querioz's time here, which worked you have to say, but I dont feel he's ever been a cautious manager by nature, rather he had to rein himself in.
The two CL finals against Barca for example Sir Alex didn't park the bus, he tried to go for it, obviously that didn't work looking back, but it's an example where he felt United as an identity had a responsibility to try and entertain and play a certain way, regardless. I don't feel Mourinho has ever been, by nature that way, he's cautious in his approach first and foremost.
Thats not to say he's incapeable of playing decent football, or scoring goals, I just don't think using Sir Alex's more tactical approach in his latter years is quite the same as how Mourinho approaches things.
There's a lot more variables to consider than tactics.
For instance how young were some of the players? how tactically aware were the players? if you have young players you are going to have players maybe not following instructions as much so it can be seen as more fun or frustrating.
In 2007-2010 there was a peak core of players, very experienced with world class players.
I think one thing of note for the CL was he used Ji Sung park a lot in that midfield to try disrupt players like Pirlo, Xavi, but it rarely worked.
I believe Mourinho will have more success in Europe if he keeps his temperament under control.
Fergie adapted to more European style as you said due to our CL performances. In the two CL finals our approach didn't do us any favor. I'd prefer the approach he had in the SF against them before those. It's nothing wrong if parking the bus in single game works, at the end of the day getting the result in a tight match is the most important thing.
Not saying the approach/tactics/mentality is the same like under Fergie, but I think it is easily forgotten how many fans were moaning about our style at the end of his reign.
Reading Neville's book about how Queiroz had them on the pitch the night before the game and walk with the ball in their hands to teach them positioning sounds a lot like Van Gaal's approach. Queiroz did change us a lot for the good in terms of our organization in Europe and our attacking probably did not look poor because the general quality of the team with Scholes, Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez was much higher than what it is now.
It worked very well actually. Pirlo hated being marked by Ji Sung Park so much that he called it anti-football IIRC.
I remember his excerpts in his biography, but looking at the finals of the CL it was a waste of a player.
Park wasn't a gimmick player, he was a starter and a very good one.
Not saying he was a gimmick player, but his role in the CL sides was to simply disrupt play. I liked him in 2005/6 when he came he was good at PSV too but in the CL for United he was there to bring energy to the side and break up play.
My point anyway reverting to the topic now is adaptability in the CL and I feel Mourinho maybe will do that a little bit better in the CL.
So.. is it happening today?
It has gone all quiet all of a sudden
Correct me if I am wrong. You're saying Querioz made us play more pragmatic? It's the opposite though. We were more pragmatic after he left. We were more fluid flowing football with him as assistant manager for SAF for some reasons. 2006-2007 we arguably were more gung ho and IMO more exciting than even 2007-2008 when we struggled for goal until around December. The injury, lack of squad depth and naivety in defense was our undoings in the CL. We became more solid in defense from 2007-2008 onward, but started losing exciting football over time.
That was Del Bosques doing. His double pivot of Alonso and Busquets killed any fun in the game.
what? it was clearly a lack of finishing. Spain had no problems moving the ball. Iniesta and Xavi still had the ball and were still creating. when torres fell off, they had to resort to the likes of Fabregas playing the false-9, which was ineffective.
I'm not a fan of Pep's style at all. it can get nauseating watching the ball be recycled, something we had with LvG too. I prefer aggressive attacks that are designed to get the ball into the opposition's box with as few passes as possible. Jose has that, Klopp has that, and Rodgers with Liverpool had it with Sterling-Suarez in 2013-14 after he abandoned the Swansea/Pep possession philosophy.
2006-07 was surely the most free flowing football we played and got spanked in the CL semis by Milan so 2007-08 was when Queiroz's organization fully got into implementation in Europe. Even Ronaldo scored fewer goals that season than the one before but we won the champions league. Websites like fourfourtwo mention the ties against Roma and Barcelona that year as tremendous tactical battles.
the media have blown their wad. it will take a few hours to recharge their ballsacks.
Ronaldo scored nearly treble the goals that season than the one before.
We only got spnked by Milan due to fitness. We'd have smashed them otherwise and won the CL. Nothing to do with Queiroz
I think it's the opposite though. Querioz is well known for being great at integrating Latin/Hispanic players plus flluider attacking front. The more pragmatic approach is the path SAF and the whole coaching staff chose after the Milan game. Querioz's Real Madrid Galaticos saw his team playing great attacking football but lack the balance at the back. Querioz is not a good defensive coach. With lack of quality at the attacking front, his team may look pragmatic, but they really lack the defensive prowess (here is his Portugal NT).
Yeah I confused myself with the difference between 2007-08 and 2008-09.
Easily done mate.
Nearly treble = almost double. 42 vs 23.
Case in point. For some reason I thought he had scored 17 the year before.
Within the next 48 hours, apparently. According to Sky anyways. Probably not far off. I mean, it's not like it's not going to happen, now.
To be fair.. They were saying that at 10:30 this morning, so technically, we've only got 39 hours left to wait!
But seriously, like you said, it's not like it won't happen.. No panic.
If anybody has not seen, it watch it.
A movie called "The Damned United".
Excellent movie for football fans.
Basically one of the highest rated managers in the World took over one of the most successful/biggest clubs in the World. (sound familiar?)
He arrived with great fanfare. (again, sound familiar?)
He was the telly giving interviews and this was prime time TV. He was a big deal. (lets see if Jose starts giving prime time TV interviews, to chat show hosts)
The idea was that he would conquer all before him and who could argue? (it looks like many of us are doing the same)
I believe he was sacked after 7 weeks!!!!
Btw, that manager soon after, went on to manage another club in Division 2. He would take them all the way - League titles and European Cup success - everything. The movie does not cover this event, though.
Younger fans who don't know about Brian Clough, Leeds, Notts Forest should definitely watch it.
To be fair.. They were saying that at 10:30 this morning, so technically, we've only got 39 hours left to wait!
You are quite literally, counting the hours.
And you are not alone.
Fantastic film! He was a fantastic manager but not everyone got on with him or his style! I thought he was fantastic, a proper character!
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